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Re: Timeline Testimony: Yurovsky/Others
« Reply #30 on: July 27, 2005, 03:38:45 PM »
What was happening outside of Ekaaterinburg is just as interesting.

Let us take a look at a map of the position of the Whites.


And, remember, Ekaterinburg was the one time capital city of the Red Urals, so, to be on the edge of losing their capital meant at this time they were faltering in their war campaign against the Whites.

The headquarters of the CHEKA in Ekaterinburg was in the Hotel Amerika, Room 13.

So who was visiting Room 13?

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1)  Filipp Goloshchekin, who had been Military Commissar from Dec 1917, and had just been in Moscow.  
2) I presume - Yurovsky.
3) I presume - Ermakov whom Goloshchekin had given the duty to find a place to dispose of the bodies after their execution
4) Alexander Beloborodov - Chairman of the Ural Reginal Soviets after Jan. of 1918

Subtract or add to this list???

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Re: Timeline Testimony: Yurovsky/Others
« Reply #31 on: July 27, 2005, 04:08:32 PM »
FATE OF THE ROMANOVS by King and Wilson p. 291:

>>While Yurovsky busied himself at the House of Special Purpose, Beloborodov and Goloshchokin remained at the Hotel America..."  

This as the 16th of July.  Can one assume they were there on the 15th preparing and giving orders?  Does someone have a source telling us one or both were not in Ekaterinburg until the 16th.

Here's someting p. 288:
>>The Ekaterinburg to which Goloshehokin returned on the early morning of  July 12 was poised on the edge of a volcano.  With the main railroad lines cut, and the Trans-Sberian Railroad in the hads of the White and Czech forces, it was only days before the city itself fell.  Wlaking into the Hotel America, Goloshchokin called an urgent meeting of the Ural Regional Presidum and leaders of the Ekaterinburg CHEKA.  By five that afternoon, the most important Ural Bolsheivks sat clustered around the baize-topped talbe at the center of Room 3<< [Room 13??]. >>, listening with tired faces as Goloshchokin delivered a report of his visit to Moscow."

Over on p. 290 it appears they were waiting for a telegram for two days for a response from Reinhold Berzin, commander of the Northern Urals.  The telegram would not arrive until the third day, the 16th of July.

Speaking of telegrams, are there any which survived dated the 15th from or to  Moscow  or from or to   Beloborodov, who had been given direct telegram contact with Moscow?

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Re: Timeline Testimony: Yurovsky/Others
« Reply #32 on: August 16, 2005, 03:26:05 PM »
Couldn't find any telegrams which survived that was delivered from or to Moscow by CHEKA, Soviets of the Urals or Moscow....

There is a hint of one.... due to Sokolov's own words when he discusses a telegram using the word "evacuation" and no known telegram with this word has been found.

If there were any telegrams sent on 15 July,  it has since vanished.

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Re: Timeline Testimony: Yurovsky/Others
« Reply #33 on: August 16, 2005, 03:56:31 PM »
I can't find the book, because it is buried under the other books piled here on the floor......but it seems to me that Radzinsky, in The Last Tsar, had something about telegrams on the 15th.....

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Re: Timeline Testimony: Yurovsky/Others
« Reply #34 on: August 16, 2005, 03:56:35 PM »
Found this on p. 335 THE FALL OF THE ROMANOVS for the Monday 2/15 July 1918

"Greyish morning.  Later sunshine.  Lucnhed on the couch in the big room, as women came to clean the dloors, then lay on my bed again & read with Maria J. Sirach. [Ecclesiasticus] 26-31.  They went out twice as usual.  In the morning T. read to me spir. Readings. Still no Vl. Nik. [Derevenko]--.  In at 6 1/2 Baby had  his second bath -- Besique.  Wnet to bed at 10 1/4--11 1/4 of warmth at 10 1/2 evening.  Heard the report of an artillery sot in the night and several revolver shots."

Not sure why the 2/15 July is missing from the book A LIVELONG PASSING, NICHOLAS AND ALEXANDERA, THEIR OWN STORY by Maylunas and Mironenko.

This tells us the Alexei is improving in health.

Also tells us that women came into the Ipatiev House and cleaned.

THE FILE ON THE TSAR p. 51:  There is testimony from one of the cleaning ladies:  >>....overheard Yurovsky chatting to Alexei, asking after his health"   Then they go to tell us:  >>When the nuns came with their milk, Yurovsky asked for milk for the following day plus 50 eggs in a basket.  He also passed a note from onte of the emperor's daughters, asking for thread."

And, why does the same book not tell us that on  1/14 , July, Sunday that Father Storozhev and his deacon visted the Romanovs to hold service.  This information is found p. 49 in Summers and Mangold THE FILE ON THE TSAR?

In THE FALL OF THE ROMANOVS there is more about Sunday.
"Beautiful summer morning.  Scarely slept because of back and legs.  
10 1/2.  Had the joy on an obednitsa [litury without communion]--the young Priest for the 2nd time.
11 1/2  The others walked --O. with me.....

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Re: Timeline Testimony: Yurovsky/Others
« Reply #35 on: August 16, 2005, 04:05:37 PM »
Since I have all these books open to diaries, lets go into
3 / 16 July 1918.

Alexandra writes:

"Grey monring, later lovely sunshine.  Baby has a slight cold.  All went out 1/2 hour in the morning, Olga & I arranged our medicines [jewelry].  T. read Spir. Readings 3. They went out, T. stayed with me & read: Book of the Pr. Amos & Pr. Obadiah.  Tatted.  Every morning the Command. comes to our rooms, at last after a week brought eggs again for Baby.

8 o'lock Supper.

Suddenly Lenka Sednyov was fetched to go & see his Uncle & flew off--wondered whether its true & we shall see the boy back again!
Played bezigque with N.

10 1/2 to bed.  15 degrees [59 degrees F.]""

Last entry in Alexandra's diary.
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Re: Timeline Testimony: Yurovsky/Others
« Reply #36 on: August 16, 2005, 04:13:12 PM »
Yourvsky's account:

p. 634 LIFELONG PASSION

>>Yurovsky  On the morning of the 16th, I sent away the kitchen-boy Sednev....The faithful go-between Botkin, and then one of the daughters tried to find out where, why and for ow long Sednev had been taken away.  On hearing the explanation, they went away seemingly reassured.

Twleve revolvers were prepared, and it was decided who would shoot at whom.  Conrade Filipp [Goloschekin] informed me that a lorry would come at midnight, that the newcomers were to be admitted on giving the password, and the bodies handed over to them, to be taken away for burial."<<

Alexandra said Lenka Sednev was sent away in the evening and Yurovsky reclls he was sent away in the morning.

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Re: Timeline Testimony: Yurovsky/Others
« Reply #37 on: August 16, 2005, 04:23:24 PM »
Summers and Mangold FILE ON THE TSAR p. 51:

>> Tuesday, 16 July, the sisters delivered the thread, and the milk and eggs.  Two guards later testified that they saw the imperial family in the afternoon exercising as usual.  That evening, as the anti-Communist forces drew closer and closer to Ekaterinburg, there was an early curfew."

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Re: Timeline Testimony: Yurovsky/Others
« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2005, 10:02:34 AM »
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Yourvsky's account:

p. 634 LIFELONG PASSION

>>Yurovsky  On the morning of the 16th, I sent away the kitchen-boy Sednev....The faithful go-between Botkin, and then one of the daughters tried to find out where, why and for ow long Sednev had been taken away.  On hearing the explanation, they went away seemingly reassured.

Twleve revolvers were prepared, and it was decided who would shoot at whom.  Conrade Filipp [Goloschekin] informed me that a lorry would come at midnight, that the newcomers were to be admitted on giving the password, and the bodies handed over to them, to be taken away for burial."<<

Alexandra said Lenka Sednev was sent away in the evening and Yurovsky reclls he was sent away in the morning.

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Re: Timeline Testimony: Yurovsky/Others
« Reply #39 on: January 22, 2006, 12:15:14 PM »
Thank you Wilson.

So,  my next questions on Yurovsky are:

Does anyone out there have more details on Yurovsky's life in Germany and why he changed over to the Lutheran  religion?

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Re: Timeline Testimony: Yurovsky/Others
« Reply #40 on: January 22, 2006, 11:11:37 PM »
Yurovsky's daughter was named Rimma and since she was a Trotskist, she was sent to a Gulag by Stalin. She always hated Nicholas and his family and said  that "He indeed was Nicholas de bloodthirsty". She survived the Stalin era, but was a resentful and bitter woman the rest of her life.

You may know better about Rimma Yurovsky in Radzhinski's book "The Last Tsar" and in the Wilson-Greg's works "The Fate of the Romanovs".

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Re: Timeline Testimony: Yurovsky/Others
« Reply #41 on: January 28, 2006, 10:40:25 PM »
If it's possible that the grave was opened in 1927/28 by Stalin and we are unable to find the grave with the 2 sets of remains is it possible that the grave they could have opened was the one containing Alexei and Anastasia? Is it possible that they found and removed their remains but the remains of the other 9 weren't located?