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Offline britt.25

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Re: L imperatrice Marie Louise
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2006, 04:13:15 AM »
I must say, Sissi, your pictures from the jewels are always so fantastic!!!! :D :D

I have never seen them sooo clear and so near and so big! ;)


In the library of my hometown I have seen a book on Marie Louise and Napoleon, but until now as I have always to much to read for the university, I did not have the time to read it.

But I have shortly read in that book that she must have had a better and closer relationship to her Neipperg-children. There was for example described the marriage of her daughter Albertina und she was very unhappy when the young woman went away to marry, there are interesting letters to prove this and so on. I can tell me, when I have read the book...

You told she had a second daughter, Mathilde? Did she not survive? I have never heard about her!

There is an interesting internet page about the Glauco- Lombardi -Museum. there are also a a lot of pictures in the archive, concerning Albertina Sanvitale and her children.

Ther picture with the two grandsons of Marie Louise shows Albertino and  Stefano Sanvitale as small children. There are more interesting pictures.


Here are some more from Wilhelm, son of Marie Louise:


As a child:



Later :





By Kniehuber:




"Virtual" picture:

Reichstadt and half-sister Albertina :





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Re: L imperatrice Marie Louise
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2006, 04:20:22 AM »
And at last this one, I pray that nobody laughs about this, because it is a self-made picture.
 I had ordered the original version of the picture from Italy via Email, but it was so bad quality and I gave the man a new face, but he must have looked like similar to this.

Giovanni Sanvitale the last count Sanvitale from the line of Albertina:

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Re: L imperatrice Marie Louise
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2006, 08:52:33 AM »
Dear Britt! Thank you forthe wonderful pictures, I had never seen Wilhem as a child! These picture are fantastics too! Reichstadt never asked his mother anything about his half brothers, he was disapointed at the fact that her mother had them out of the wedlock and most important that she would spend a couple of weeks a year with him and the entire time with them....

    

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Re: L imperatrice Marie Louise
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2006, 09:06:36 AM »
A couple of years ago there was a jewels exposition of Napoleonic time and among the pieces there was this bracelets, which were given to Marie Louise by Napoleon, I had never seen them before, there are made of gold, diamonds and precious stones....


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Re: L imperatrice Marie Louise
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2006, 01:23:51 PM »
Do you know what kind of relationship did Marie Louise and the Duchesse de Angouleme, Marie-Therese, had?
Marie Louise married with Napoleon only by political matters. After Napoleon, during the restoration, how was Marie Louise seen by the royalists and by the court of the europen countries?

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Re: L imperatrice Marie Louise
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2006, 05:44:11 PM »
Ah, Polignac...good point about the duchess of Angouleme Marie Therese!

I suppose...but I merely suppose, that Marie Therese had not a relationship with Marie Louise. When Marie Therese was released from the Temple prison and moved to Vienna´s court, she had seventeen years. She was a young girl who had passed through very hard times...her father had been guillotined, her mother had been guillotined, her beloved paternal aunt Elisabeth had been guillotined and her young brother the dauphin was "lost". I think that at the Vienna´s court she must have been suffered a good deal of emotional distress, in addition, due to the fact that she believed that her cousin emperor Francis II had done not enough to safe her parents from their ill-fate.

When Marie Therese was sent to the Vienna´s court, at the year 1795, Marie Louise, her second cousin, was a very little archduchess...remember that Marie Louise was born on December 1791! I believe that the poor traumatised girl of seventeen had not chances to enjoy herself with the archduchess aged four. And Marie Therese left Vienna on 1798, maybe on the beginnings of 1799...I don´t remember well. I know that on june 1799 she was marrying Louis-Antoine duke of Angouleme at Mitau, Lithuania, where she was established with her uncle, later Louis XVIII of France. So, when Marie Therese moved from Vienna to Mitau, Marie Louise was aged seven.

Marie Therese did not return to France after the defeat of Napoleon. She was really distrustful of the many french who had supported the Republic or, later, the Napoleon´s Empire. And Marie Louise, by this time, was playing her role as duchess of Parma.

A beautiful portrait of unfortunate cousin of Marie Louise:






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Re: L imperatrice Marie Louise
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2006, 06:50:48 PM »
Marie Louise was Napoleon's wife, but did she supported the Empire?... When Napoleon was exiled to Elba, she refused to go with him. And at the Hundred Days, Marie Louise also refused to come back to Paris. So, I doubt about her loyalty to the Empire. She married only by political causes. I think that she wanted the Bourbon restoration. Once Napoleon defeated, Marie Louise would be free to live her life away from the man that she didn't loved...But this is only my opinion. I don't know if she liked him at all.

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Re: L imperatrice Marie Louise
« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2006, 04:44:05 AM »
Another portrait of Marie Louise:




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Re: L imperatrice Marie Louise
« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2006, 05:57:55 PM »
It seems to be a recurring theme - beauty doesn't mean hapiness.

Marie Louise always looks gorgeous in her portraits, but she was forced into a marriage of inconvenience.

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Re: L imperatrice Marie Louise
« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2006, 09:23:58 AM »
Napoleon said that she was very fresh... it seemed that she was a pretty girl, with full breast, and charming blue eyes, she also had small feet....
However according to what I have read she did not aged well, she did not dressed well either!

In any case in her youth she was attractive!



I like this portrait it seems that it is a c opy of one I post earlier on, thedifference is that she is wearing the emeraude parrure instead of the rubis one.







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Re: L imperatrice Marie Louise
« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2006, 01:31:52 PM »
I like your pictures from the jewels so much, they are unique and so fantastic :) :)


Here are two paintings of Marie Louise, she must have been quite a good painter ;)



 

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Re: L imperatrice Marie Louise
« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2006, 01:59:41 PM »
Wow!!!!! Thank you so much, I had never seen paintings done by Marie Louise, she was a talented painter!!!! ;)

I am glad you like the jewels!!!! :)


here is the emerald tiara as it is nowaday, the emerald were replaced by turquoises







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Re: L imperatrice Marie Louise
« Reply #27 on: June 13, 2006, 02:36:46 AM »
I have never seen these jewels so clear :) :)

The  Marie Louise pictures are from the website of the Glauco Lombardi Museum. It is a very interesting page.

Somehwere there is also a picture, where Marie Louise draws Napoleon.. This is quite funny, maybe you know it.  ;)
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Re: L imperatrice Marie Louise
« Reply #28 on: June 13, 2006, 05:49:48 AM »
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Marie Louise was Napoleon's wife, but did she supported the Empire?... When Napoleon was exiled to Elba, she refused to go with him. And at the Hundred Days, Marie Louise also refused to come back to Paris. So, I doubt about her loyalty to the Empire. She married only by political causes. I think that she wanted the Bourbon restoration. Once Napoleon defeated, Marie Louise would be free to live her life away from the man that she didn't loved...But this is only my opinion. I don't know if she liked him at all.


she initially wanted to go to elba but then she heard that napoleon had been visited by countess walewska and was disturbed by the idea. her father was not so keen on her going so he planted neipperg in her way and the rest is history...
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Re: L imperatrice Marie Louise
« Reply #29 on: June 13, 2006, 10:13:36 AM »
Ilyala is right, inicially she wanted to reunite herself with Napoleon, when she was in France, her letters to her relatives were the one of a joyful bride! I don`t know if she was in love with him but at least she cared about him, she did not have any complain of him as a husband! When she first met her father in France she told him that her wish was to be with her husband. Back in Vienna she reiterated her wish to go to Elba, and this when metternich and her father presented her with Neipperg, both of them hoped that she would have something with him, in order for her to forget about Napoleon, the fact that Marie Waleski did go to Elba did not help things, she was hurt. In any case with Neipperg in the picture she completely forgot about Napoleon, dring the 100 days she showed no interest in going back to him, she was happy when the Bourbon went back to power. Napoleon was in the past, a past she did not care to remember.