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Offline Ena

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Queen Elizabeth II Part 3
« on: June 12, 2006, 07:47:43 PM »
I know that her late immediate family (George VI, Queen Mother and Margaret) used to call her by this name.  What other members of the family are allowed to call her by her childhood nickname today?

Just curious.  :)

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Re: Queen Elizabeth II Part 3
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2006, 12:48:13 AM »
I can't imagine that anyone has called her that name in decades.  I do remember seeing a pic of a family photo Christmas card she sent to her uncle, the Duke of Windsor, sometime in the 1960's, in which she signed herself as "Lilibet."  Any evidence that the Queen Mother and Margaret addressed her as such?  But you do raise an interesting question.  How does her immediate family address her?   For her children, is it "Mum?" or "Ma'am?"   I would guess that she's not the stickler for royal protocol that her grandmother was.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth II Part 3
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2006, 03:47:05 AM »
The closest members of the Queen's family - her parents, Princess Margaret, Prince Philip and those who grew up with her called her by her nickname "Lilibet".

Her governess, Marion Crawford used it also, I think.  As far as I know, the only non-family member to call her Lilibet in her adult years was Elizabeth's long time dresser and companion, "Bobo" who died some years ago.

She is "Mama" to her children.
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Re: Queen Elizabeth II Part 3
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2006, 04:02:28 AM »
The king of Spain also calls her Lilibeth, as appears in the bio writted by Villalonga ;)

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Re: Queen Elizabeth II Part 3
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2006, 11:35:50 AM »
No doubt her first cousins such as the Kents,Gloucesters and the Hon Mrs Rhodes still in private give her the affectionate nickname.Would think too that Margarethe of Denmark and Constantine and Anne-Marie of Greece would be among the selected few who are allowed this intimacy.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth II Part 3
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2006, 11:45:06 AM »
That's is very likely, when they're in private. Queen Margrethe have always been "Daisy" for her family. Royals have almost always adressed each other by their nicknames. I'm very sure that Phillip calls her Lilibet in private.
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Re: Queen Elizabeth II Part 3
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2006, 05:32:57 PM »
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No doubt her first cousins such as the Kents,Gloucesters and the Hon Mrs Rhodes still in private give her the affectionate nickname.Would think too that Margarethe of Denmark and Constantine and Anne-Marie of Greece would be among the selected few who are allowed this intimacy.


In addition:

The King of Norway and his sisters have always used Lilibet when talking to her.   It seems likely Queen Sonja also calls The Queen Lilibet.  I heard that Martha-Louise uses Lilibet, so I would assume Crown Prince Haakon does as well.  No idea about the Crown Princess of Norway.

Crown Prince Alexander calls her Lilibet.  King Michael, Queen Anne, and their daughters also use Lilibet.

Countess Mountbatten and Lady Pamela Hicks address The Queen as Lilibet in private.  As does The Duke of Fife.  None of their spouses used such familiarity, although Lord Braburne called the Duke of Edinburgh  Philip.

Princess Michael of Kent calls The Queen only Ma'am, even in private and it's possible the same goes for The Duchess of Kent and The Duchess of Gloucester.

I recall reading somewhere that the late Princess Juliana of the Netherlands called The Queen Lilibet, but that Beatrix addresses her as Elizabeth.

There was a private party a couple of years ago and among the guests were The Queen, the Duke of Edinburgh, and a Romanov prince.  I can't recall which one it was. (Nicholas Romanovitch??)    During an interview since that time, the Prince was asked how he addressed The Queen and her husband to which the Prince replied, "As Ma'am and Sir, of course."  The Prince said that he is on very social terms with Prince Michael of Kent whom he addresses as "Michael".

I do not remember the reason or the nature of the interview, but perhaps someone here might.  Marlene seems to be more up on such things.







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Re: Queen Elizabeth II Part 3
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2006, 01:33:33 AM »
I'm sure you all remember HM's Golden Jubilee celebration.  Prince Charles may have given us the definitive answer when to Her Majesty's surprise, and the crowd's delight, he introduced her as, among other titles,  "Mummie." Seems so much more logical that her family refers to her that way, instead of the diminuitive and somewhat now ill-fitting "Lilibet."   But this is only one Yank's speculation.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth II Part 3
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2006, 09:30:29 AM »
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Princess Michael of Kent calls The Queen only Ma'am, even in private

Am I the only one who thinks that Princess Michael called The Queen 'Lilibet' once, but never again?   ;D
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Re: Queen Elizabeth II Part 3
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2006, 01:50:18 PM »
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Princess Michael of Kent calls The Queen only Ma'am, even in private

Am I the only one who thinks that Princess Michael called The Queen 'Lilibet' once, but never again?   ;D
No, you are not the only one!  ;D

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Re: Queen Elizabeth II Part 3
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2006, 04:25:52 PM »
It was reported that when Marina Ogilvy (b 1966) - the only daughter of HRH Princess Alexandra, The Hon. Lady Ogilvy and The Rt Hon Sir Angus Ogilvy fell pregnant out of wedlock, the press had a field day.... and her parents were not too pleased, she wrote to HM The Queen asking for support etc writing to "Dear Cousin Lilibet".

Orchestrated by Marina herself, her photographer boyfriend and fiance persuaded her to dress up in kinky leather with a crown and Throne, she publicly criticised her parents for not publicly supporting her etc. As it happens Marina married the father (Paul Mowatt) - they have since divorced and she has returned to her maiden name.


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Re: Queen Elizabeth II Part 3
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2006, 06:09:30 PM »
Maybe Princess Alexandra still calles her Lilibet?

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Re: Queen Elizabeth II Part 3
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2006, 12:39:05 AM »
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I'm sure you all remember HM's Golden Jubilee celebration.  Prince Charles may have given us the definitive answer when to Her Majesty's surprise, and the crowd's delight, he introduced her as, among other titles,  "Mummie." Seems so much more logical that her family refers to her that way, instead of the diminuitive and somewhat now ill-fitting "Lilibet."   But this is only one Yank's speculation.

Well, I think the children did call her "Mummie" when younger but on this occasion, I think Charles was rather parodying the way the press has always made him appear a weakling clinging to "Mummie's" skirts.  

Perhaps they do still call her Mummie but at the speech Charles made recently on his mother's 80th birthday, he referred to her as his "darling Mama", so I think this is probably the more used term now.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth II Part 3
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2006, 06:29:20 AM »
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No doubt her first cousins such as the Kents,Gloucesters and the Hon Mrs Rhodes still in private give her the affectionate nickname.Would think too that Margarethe of Denmark and Constantine and Anne-Marie of Greece would be among the selected few who are allowed this intimacy.


It was a private party a couple of years ago and among the guests were The Queen, the Duke of Edinburgh, and a Romanov prince.  I can't recall which one it was. (Nicholas Romanovitch??)    During an interview since that time, the Prince was asked how he addressed The Queen and her husband to which the Prince replied, "As Ma'am and Sir, of course."  The Prince said that he is on very social terms with Prince Michael of Kent whom he addresses as "Michael".

I do not remember the reason or the nature of the interview, but perhaps someone here might.  Marlene seems to be more up on such things.


It was for a Romanov exhibit making a world tour on its London engagement.  Robert Massie chronicled the meeting in one of his books.


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Re: Queen Elizabeth II Part 3
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2006, 02:17:14 PM »
Possibly Viscount Linley and Lady Sarah refer to her as Aunt Lillibet??