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Re: The Family of Edward VII and Queen Alexandra
« Reply #135 on: November 29, 2012, 05:14:33 PM »
No, the Schleswig-Holstein's weren't her favorites for obvious reasons. She could be rather cruel, in fact, to Helena Victoria regarding her looks. (Reminiscent of her and Marie F's treatment of their sister-in-law Louise. They had a bit of the 'mean girls' in them.) Edward VII also wasn't particularly close to his sister Helena. However, George and Mary were close to both female cousins and they were hard-working members of the royal family throughout his reign. Unlike her cousin Toria, Helena Victoria never struck me as particularly embittered by her life--at least, there are no stories relating to her feeling so. She seems like she kept up a busy, productive and full-of-friends life.

In fairness, I think if you read about Toria's later life (particularly after "Motherdear" passed away), she also seemed to live a busy, productive life and had many friends - at long last! :)

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Re: The Family of Edward VII and Queen Alexandra
« Reply #136 on: November 29, 2012, 08:30:55 PM »
I have read of her later life and, while she certainly was happier than when she was under her mother's thumb, she still strikes me as someone who felt her life had been blighted. She only had that last decade, much of it with ill health, to claim any kind of independence. I go over lots of magazines and newspapers of the day and I just don't see her out and about the way I do the Schleswig-Holsteins or even her elderly Uncle Arthur. I'm more than happy to hear evidence of a more satisfying social life than what appears.

 I view her with pity more than anything else--she was really a victim of a) the times which seemed fine with sacrificing one daughter to be the mother's eventual companion and b) her mother's selfish, smothering behavior in not just keeping her at her beck & call but actively thwarted potential love matches. She could've met Toria halfway and pulled a Helena or Beatrice on her--reluctantly allowing her to marry as long as she either stayed in country or at home. Toria had a blooming period from roughly 1905-1910. While she was middle aged by then and thus unlikely to have children, a widower with children of his own, from the nobility wouldn't have been looked at askance.
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Re: The Family of Edward VII and Queen Alexandra
« Reply #137 on: November 29, 2012, 08:33:41 PM »
I don't think Alexandra was a "mean" girl. She cannot be expected to be nice to someone who stole her father's duchies. Helena was in her mind in the "enemy" camp.

If you read carefully, I didn't say she was a 'mean girl' to Helena or Christian. I said she and Marie had a mean girl way of ostracizing those they felt weren't as funny or good-looking as they saw themselves. I specifically referenced Helena Victoria (who QA was very nasty about in terms of her looks ie The Snipe) and towards Louise and her height, looks, religious fervour, awkwardness, etc...These comments came up in some of the Danish material on Queen Louise (their mother, not sister-in-law), Queen Alexandra and Empress Marie.

I said that her antipathy towards Christian was understandable and could extend to his wife--who wasn't close to her brother to begin with.
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Re: The Family of Edward VII and Queen Alexandra
« Reply #138 on: November 29, 2012, 09:50:27 PM »
Well...They do look down on some who do not have the same looks. I think Thyra was much sweeter than her two elder sisters. Helena's daughters were not their only target, Lovisa of Sweden (Aunt Swan) was also being look down on by Alexandra & Dagmar.

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Re: The Family of Edward VII and Queen Alexandra
« Reply #139 on: November 29, 2012, 11:04:40 PM »
Yes, that's who I mentioned in the previous 2 posts as a recipient of the behavior of the 2 sisters. It was rather cruel, whatever Louisa's faults, how she was treated by the family. No wonder she withdrew--and after she brought a good deal of money to the clan!
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Re: The Family of Edward VII and Queen Alexandra
« Reply #140 on: November 30, 2012, 12:33:14 AM »
True. But you have to remember that the two sisters had been spoiled by their good fortune, although Dagmar later had to eat humble pie at Lovisa's son's court. Alexandra was also quite proud of her family and did not treat her daughter-in-law May of Teck with much consideration either.  Even her son King George V (very devoted to her nonetheless) admitted that his mother was one of the most selfish woman he met in his life. That is why I like Thyra the best, she was "the sweet one" who got along with everybody.