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Vittorio Emanuele (IV) (1937- ?),and his family
« on: June 17, 2006, 10:10:17 AM »
I just got off the phone with two close relations of the Prince of Naples, who was arrested day before yesterday near Lake Como, and charged with being involved in a prostitution ring.

True or not, innocent until proven guilty, the thought of it is absolutely ghastly and dreadful.  His close relations are in complete shock and everyone is rallying to Princess Marina's side, as no one deserves to be put through something as terrible as what is affecting them at the moment.

What pains me even more is the further erosion of the prestige of the now tattered House of Savoy!  

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« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2006, 03:24:43 PM »
The judicial system in Italy is not very trustworthy. The district attorney (PM) in this case,Henry John Woodcock, is well known fo choosing to investigate only cases where scandal,and  well -known people are involved. And most of the time, they come to nothing, just a waste of taxpayer's money.

The accusations that the Prince of Naples is a"leader" of a band involved in illegal gambling and prostitution is ludicrous. The Prince, very well known by some scandals, is no leader, least of all of a criminal band. This is just one more Italian operetta. Italians have a knack for being protagonists and this district attorney Woodcock fits the profile. For example, in 2003 he started a case involving a number of politicians and tv stars with accusations that filled 7,000 pages. The case was dismissed for frivolous, not one piece of  evidence. Now with Vittorio Emanuele di Savoia there is a file of 2,000 pages!!!

The arrest was made with the clear intention of publicity. A simple order to appear before the judge is usually used in these cases, especially when you are almost 70 years. Henry John Woodcock is preparing his next career move which is usually to become a politician. In the meantime, many people's lives are destroyed. He is also involving in the case Simeon of Bulgaria as a conspirator with the prince. I wonder what is next, The Pope?

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Re: Vittorio Emanuele (IV) (1937- ?),and his family
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2006, 04:42:01 PM »
Hello...these are sad news  
Let's hope this all ends in nothing...

But´in the best of chances, in the end Vittorio Emanuele will have a less appellative 'image'...

I think he was also once accused of having shot a German man (a journalist?) in Corsica...in the end the investigations concluded the Prince had nothing to do with that death...
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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2006, 02:00:11 PM »
Yesterday, a spanish newspaper published a short interview with Maria Gabriella of Saboya, sister of the prince. She described her brother as a very stupid man, the kind of person that it´s very easy to involve in not very clear, almost illegal, "business". Not a bad man, she said, but weak enough and without a sense of historical responsability.

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« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2006, 02:09:39 PM »
I am in Italy and I have no words for the things are happening. It's just terrible.

The Prince is in jail but he's behaving very well, he's friendly, very outgoing and nice.
Probably tomorrow he will be able to meet his wife and son.

I don't know how it will end but everything can happen as the Prince is very hated here in Italy. We'll see...

Poor Royal Family of Italy!!


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« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2006, 02:16:10 PM »

Yes it's completely true. HRH Princess Maria Gabriella realised a long interview where she explained her point of view. I can say I am amazed at what she said about her sister in law and her nephew. She said Marina Doria is woman who only want more and more money while Emanuele Filiberto is a careerer, after this interview I don't think they will meet again.
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« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2006, 03:05:23 PM »
Well, Gleb...to be honest, the italian royal family is not to be a monarchist. Sorry if I sound very hard referring to them, but this is what I truly feel. Here, at the wedding of Felipe and Letizia, three persons made us felt shame with their ways...Ernst of Hannover, of course, but also the prince of Naples and his cousin Amadeo, because they had more than words during the party the night before the wedding. I think that poor queen Anna Maria of Greece was the one who tried to separate them, and king Juan Carlos felt ashamed enough to tell "Never more!" (he meant he wish never more receive the two italian princes at his palace).

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« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2006, 12:09:40 PM »

To be honest, I don't like the Prince of Naples, he is wasting this Family wit his behaviour.

But I appreciate the Duke of Aosta and you should know it was not his fault if the Prince of Naples gave him a punch.

Nunca mas....the Prince of Naples should be the Head of the Italian Royal Family.
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« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2006, 10:43:35 PM »
In the past few editions of Hola (Spanish version of Hello Magazine) they featured some very saddening pictures of the Prince of Naples in handcuffs being led away by a police officer.  He had very concerned look on his face to say the least.

With today’s over exposed media and the PN’s past behavior, I cannot see him ever shedding his poor image.

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« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2006, 05:33:15 AM »

I am sorry I disagree with you about your opinion on Henry John Woodcock and his work... Living in Italy you know that an accusation ca go to nothing because of the constant alteration of criminal laws particularly during the Berlusconi's era... And now, with Prodi, the dance is proceeding... So it often happens that people clearly involved in criminal acts (Mafia, taxescape, and so on..) are able to spend NOT A DAY in jail... the case of 7000 pages your are telling of, if we are thinking about the same one, was not dismissed for beeing frivolous but because, for complexity of laws the accusations could not be proceseed any more... thats makes a difference. Also Vittorio Emmanuele was not accused to be the leader of a gang but to share some criminal acts...

The telephonics reports of the talks of Vittorio Emmanuele di Savoia are in many ways really shocking,  particularly the way he talks about possibility to have sex with girls for money or for help or for free... and he recognized anything, not only the fact he his sex-addicted... Self-Sex addiction  and the greed of his wife are certainly 2 of the reasons of his real participation - a participation he recognized -  in the facts.

Henry John Woodcock is not media-addicted judge, he is only a brave PM who tries - he is not alone - , (in the over-legalised italian society, one of the nations with the greatest number of laws who paradoxically punishs quite nothing of crimes that in other european and civilised nations could be strongly punished as using self power to avoid law, to have sex, to receive undue social money and so on and so on) to punish and prevent crimes the italian society is not successfull to prevent or punish. Mafia in Italy is not only a fact of traditionnal circles but a spirit shared  unfortunately also by a man - for nothing a noble man - as Vittorio Emmanuele. Italy - with a govern of right or of left no matters - has to became a modern nation were laws are civilised and were people respects the law. That says Maria Gabriella his sister.

Amedeo di Savoia duca d'Aosta is not an angel. The way he acts with the media during his love affairs (and not only with the - a little bit isteric- mother of his daughter Ginevra) is not so perfect... but he was never involved in dirty affairs.

The question is Emmanuele Filiberto, a young man, married, with childs, certainly ambitious as a youg man in his position can be, and quite certainly not informed of most of the actings of the father...  IS TRUE  the voice who says that he manages to earn money with a Noble Knights  Order ? That is the good question... and that is the matter it could be interesting to inquire to know the truth. personally I think that THIS could be an exageration of the medias... Also Maria Gabriella in some way, when interviewed, said something to his nephew: TO DO NOT BE BLIND, to be prudent in the way he manages to earn money and carry the life of his own family. 

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« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2006, 07:27:51 PM »
If I am not mistaken, I think I read in one of the many magazines I subscribe to that the Prince of Venice threatened to commence a hunger strike if the prosecution of Prince of Naples continues.

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« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2006, 03:04:39 PM »
Prince of Venise wil probabely lose flesh.

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« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2006, 06:07:57 PM »
http://www.corriere.it/Primo_Piano/Cronache/2006/06_Giugno/16/woodckock.shtml

Click on the above link for a picture of the prosecutor, Henry John Woodcock who, rightly or wrongly, is making the Prince of Naples’ life a nightmare!

This half Brit / Neapolitan is quite young (39) for such a high ranking or profile prosecutor.

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« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2006, 07:31:32 PM »
Prince of Venice will lose flesh certainly: Henri-John Woodcock will finish his prosecution work (and afterthat there are the courts, the lawyers, the judgments... the story is just beginning).

Henri-John Woodcock will certainly continue because this affair seems to be only a branch of a much more important problem were Vittorio-Emmanuele was only a little piece. 

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« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2006, 11:40:59 PM »
PAC:

Any information regarding Simeon II of Bulgaria’s involvement in this affair?