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Offline Veronika

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Re: Emperor Franz Joseph
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2007, 03:19:46 PM »


Emperor Franz Joseph by Josef Mánes
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Re: Emperor Franz Joseph
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2007, 11:16:28 PM »
I dont want to anger any FJ devotees, however I'm sure I read somewhere that he was a known rapist... I know that sounds out there (but I read it in a history text) and wld be interested if anyone coudl confirm or deny.

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Re: Emperor Franz Joseph
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2007, 06:26:50 AM »


Sophie, Franz Joseph and Ferdinand Maxmilian
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Re: Emperor Franz Joseph
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2007, 06:27:35 AM »


Franz Joseph with his grandpa, emperor Franz I.
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Re: Emperor Franz Joseph
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2007, 08:36:06 AM »
Thanks for the pics. Where are they from? I had not seen before this one with Sophie and the two sons. Even the one with Franz II was new to me.
Nice ;)
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Re: Emperor Franz Joseph
« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2007, 09:24:19 AM »
Ich aber breite trauernd aus
die weiten weissen Schwingen,
Und kehr' ins Feenreich nach Haus -
Nichts soll mich wieder bringen.


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Re: Emperor Franz Joseph
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2007, 09:44:59 AM »
Thanks for the pics. Where are they from? I had not seen before this one with Sophie and the two sons. Even the one with Franz II was new to me.
Nice ;)

It´s from my book Franz Joseph I. - never crown czech king by Jiří Pernes.

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Re: Emperor Franz Joseph
« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2007, 03:17:15 PM »
At the time if you asked most Hungarians if they felt sorry for Franz Joseph and "his tragedies" I suspect the answer would be "no." He put down their revolution brutally with the help of foreign troops (Russian) and then wasn't very grateful to Russia for helping him do it. In fact his "tragedies" are supposedly the result of a curse put on him by a Hungarian noblewoman whose husband had been hanged by the emperor"s order.
And, he lost every war he was foolish enough to enter Austria into {with the French, Prussia, and World War I} because he allowed aristocrats to run his defense establishment and they were so hide-bound Austria's military were badly led, badly equiped, and totally incapable of playing in the big power game.
He let his brother Ferdinand Max go off to Mexico and "tragedy" when he could easily have put a stop to it had he really wanted to do so. His obtuse dealings with his son and his refusal to recognize that Rudolf needed help led to that "tragedy", he was totally unsympathetic to his nephews desire to marry the woman he loved (even though he himself had kicked over the traces to marry his love) and in choosing a wife, well, he should have listened to his mother.
He was a dull man. Even his long time friend, Katherine Schratt, found his dullness enervating. Being a crowned bureaucrat is not the same as being a good ruler. Spending hours and hours minuteing tedious documents from his ministers is not the same as being a good ruler.
As for his frugality. He slept on a military cot it is true but it had the finest mattress money could buy. And wearing his uniforms until they were shinny and worn is in most people simply being miserly and cheap, not attractive qualities. And his table manners were a horror. Guests went away from his table hungry because he didn't have the good manners to play with his food until all could be served and eat. And I understand the food was not very good either to begin with.
And he was vindictive. He made sure that the Vatican cardinal of state who had questioned allowing Rudolf to by buried in consecrated ground was never pope by using Austria's veto. And this cardinal was regard as the best man for the job of pope.
In the end he appointed a man as his foreign minister who lied to him and kept essential information from him and thus led Austria into the disaster of a war that ended it all. He seemed to simply shrug his shoulders and say, what will be will be, and millions of his subjects died from it.
His record is abysmal but nostalgia for the "old emperor" has clouded the judgement.

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Re: Emperor Franz Joseph
« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2007, 04:33:52 AM »
i think he had the best intentions, but we all know that they pave the road to hell. i think that down inside he was a good man. but at some point every good person gets sick of things happening.

he loved his wife and she left him. i'm sure he loved his children but didn't know how to show them. of course he had a thing for that cardinal, that cardinal basically wanted to forbid him to bury his own son! i'm sure that any parent can understand franz joseph's reaction.

however, a good man does not make a good emperor and i'm afraid that's the tragedy of many monarchs out there.
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Re: Emperor Franz Joseph
« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2007, 06:08:33 AM »
Franz Josef maturing,

in portrait :



And in photos :





As we can note it, the Emperor preserves the same elegant silhouette and the same imposing presence as in his youth.

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Re: Emperor Franz Joseph
« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2008, 06:48:05 AM »
Pardon for the blunt title. But my question is for those whom have more information than i do. I was in Vienna on vacation this summer and on the tour of the Imperial parts the tour guide pointed out where the Imperial Physician lived, and said that fairly recently the archives of the Imperial Medicine cabinett had been opened for those whom wished to study and books and litterature concerning what was revealed there was starting to be published. And gave excamples that the Imperial Household frequently used Opium and other substances that today is classed illegal in many countries, and that is partly why Sissy could remain skinnny and Franz Josef go up early in the morning. Im not at all shocked about this, as others might be for they view upon this with Todays Eyes (which is completely wrong). In those days there was no real morality towards theese things as far as i know, Absolutionists demanding the Bann of Alcohol existed of course, but i doubt there was any group that saw opium and such as something bad, so this is not a matter of right or wrong or branding persons with todays eyes.

I just wanna know if anyone know anything more about this or know of any article/essay i can get a hold of on the web to read more.

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Re: Emperor Franz Joseph
« Reply #26 on: August 27, 2008, 02:50:38 PM »
In the book "Kaiser Franz Josef ganz privat" is one chapter relating to madicine. Emperor FJ had his pharmacy (chamber pharmacy), which contained except many others medicines also opium's drops. Then we can read, that his imperial physican dr. Kerzl prescribed him morphine against pain in Juni 1899 or that he got morphine-cocaine's drops against earache in March 1901.
But using of such medicaments was common and normal in that time. And nowdays is morhpine still used in medicine, but only for case of very strong pain- especialy for oncology's patients.

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Re: Emperor Franz Joseph
« Reply #27 on: August 27, 2008, 05:32:41 PM »
About 18 months ago, I think, there was an article published by an international newswire about some objects belonging to Elizabeth being found again, including her cocaine syringe. And in a book written by Jean des Cars about Crown Prince Rudolph, there were excerpts from the Imperial Pharmacy showing prescriptions made to Rudolph for morphine. It is a proven fact that Rudolph was addicted to morphine. And let's not forget that at the beginning of the XXth century, cocaine wasn't an illegal drug and could be found in Coca-Cola (unless that is a urban legend).
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Re: Emperor Franz Joseph
« Reply #28 on: August 28, 2008, 04:49:16 AM »
Even Queen Victoria enjoyed a glass of Coca-cola every morning.....for health reasons. Everyone was hooked on morphine, it was even put into balls of marzipan to quiet babies

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Re: Emperor Franz Joseph
« Reply #29 on: August 28, 2008, 05:07:45 AM »
Is it true about Coca-Cola that the taste sort of was actually Cough-medicine originally but people liked it ?