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Oreanda
« on: June 21, 2006, 02:35:14 PM »
I think the Palace in Oreanda deserves some attention. :)

The construction of the Palace for Empress Alexandra Fedorovna, spouse of Emperor Nikolay I, began in 1842 by famous acrhitect Andrey Schtakenschneider.
Today we can't imagine all the splendour of this Palace as it was burnt up in 1882 and never re-edified. The Palace was 2 storied high,in Classic style,had the Atrium and resembled Belveder (in Peterhof).

There is no detail info or pictures of the interiors, all is khown that the finery was in Pompeian (Greek) architectural style. Since 1860 year GD Konstantin Nikolayevitch became the owner of the Palace , he personally fought a fire in 1882 . Grand Duke did not have enough money for reconstruction of the burnt-to-ashes Palace and just decided to build a church near the ruins.After the WW II the ruins were demounted and in 1948 on the place was built a health resort.

Here is the floorplan of the ground floor (1860).




1 - Dining room
2 - Hall
3 - Vestibule
4 - Drawing room (Reception room)
5 - Working Study
6 - Bedroom
7 - Atrium
8 - Room for Officers on duty
9 - Room for Officers on duty
10 - Dressing room
11 - Inner courtyard



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Re: Oreanda
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2006, 02:39:06 PM »
Though there are a few pictures of the Palace and some of its ruins. I have 2 or 3 pictures and post them later. If anyone also has the images of Oreanda please post . :)

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Re: Oreanda
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2006, 07:54:40 PM »
Ruin after 1882 fire :


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Re: Oreanda
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2006, 10:07:47 AM »
Oreanda



Fantastic view ...

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Re: Oreanda
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2006, 05:47:36 AM »
Svetabel,
Do you know it the building on the left is the building GD Konstantin Nikolayevitch and his family used after the big palace burned down in 1882?  The new book, Gilded Prism, also mentions that besides living in "the wooden dacha" the family used the "Villa Tiesenhausen" for entertaining.  Do you know anything about either?
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Re: Oreanda
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2006, 04:33:52 AM »
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Svetabel,
Do you know it the building on the left is the building GD Konstantin Nikolayevitch and his family used after the big palace burned down in 1882?

 I can't say exactly. You can see 2 buildings on the left in the picture. One of them is the Admiral's (former Imperial) House ,where GD Konstantin N. lived after the fire, and the other is the Suite House I think.


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Re: Oreanda
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2006, 12:23:43 PM »
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Svetabel,
Do you know it the building on the left is the building GD Konstantin Nikolayevitch and his family used after the big palace burned down in 1882?  The new book, Gilded Prism, also mentions that besides living in "the wooden dacha" the family used the "Villa Tiesenhausen" for entertaining.  Do you know anything about either?
Thanks,
BobG
The villa Tiesenhausen was no doubt the same property as the later home of Count Soumarokov- Elston and later Prince Youssoupoff at Koriez.Countess Tisenhausen who never married was the mother of Felix Nikolayevitch Elston 1820-77.He married Countess Helena Soumarokov and took her name and title.The eldest of his 3 surviving sons Felix 1856 - 1928 married Princess Zenaida Youssoupoff and like wise adopted her rank & title.The Youssoupoff's spent much time at Koriez and it was from this last perch in Russia they fled aboard the HMS Marlborough with the Dowager Empress. Countess Tiesenhausen must have bequeathed the estate to her descendants. She left her stupendous gems and her shares in vastly profitable mines in the Urals to the Princely Clary family, Bohemian based descendants of her sister.

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Re: Oreanda
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2006, 03:54:47 PM »
According to Greg and Penny's book, Gilded Prism, Oreanda is mostly in ruins. Are these ruins open to the public? In other words, can one go explore/walk among them or does one encounter a lovely iron fence telling you not to enter?
« Last Edit: August 07, 2006, 03:56:58 PM by Ortino »

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Re: Oreanda
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2006, 04:07:22 PM »
If you read the first post above, you will see that Oreanda remained in ruins after the fire of 1882 until after WWII when the ruins were removed and a sanitarium/hospital built on the site.  Empress Alexandra used to often enjoy wandering the ruins while at Livadia.
There are many pictures of the ruins and her visits there in Vyroubova's albums.

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Re: Oreanda
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2006, 06:53:35 PM »
I did read the first post and all I am interested in knowing is if someone can visit there now or if it is fenced off or something.

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Re: Oreanda
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2006, 08:50:09 AM »
You asked specifically "Are these ruins open to the public? In other words, can one go explore/walk among them or does one encounter a lovely iron fence telling you not to enter?"  There are no ruins left to see. There are no remains of Oreanda as is was. I suppose one could go see the post war sanitorium, though not sure of the status of it being open to the public.



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Re: Oreanda
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2006, 05:41:25 PM »
I may imagin that some would be interested to see palns of Oréanda palace designed by Schinkel (plan of 1835) but never realized because of the growth of the works...It  is a mix opf Semiramis garden ans palce on the Acropole(in fact of hellenistic art taht Schibnkel admire...)We may regret that such tresor woukld not have been constructed...

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« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2006, 05:50:37 PM »
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Re: Oreanda
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2006, 06:30:32 PM »
"The Correspondence of the Empress Alexandra of Russia with Ernst Ludwig and Eleonore, Grand Duke and Duchess of Hesse. 1878-1916"  -  http://www.bod.de/index.php?id=296&objk_
"Grand Duke Ernst Ludwig and Princess Alix of Hesse and by Rhine in Italy - 1893"

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Re: Oreanda
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2006, 12:12:52 PM »