Author Topic: Duke Max and Duchess Ludovica (née Princess of Bavaria) in Bavaria - Empress Elisabeth's parents  (Read 117943 times)

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BTW  , talking about illegitimate daughters of Max, do you think this lady posing with him is one of them?

Well, I did some research on the photographer Franz Weisbrod. He worked in Frankfurt / Main, not in Munich. His photographs had the signature "F. Weisbrod, phot.", since the early 1870s you read "F. Weisbrod, Nachfolger" on the photos. The German word "Nachfolger" means "successor", so I guess since then his son or someone who assumed his photo atelier took the pictures.

To sum up: The photo of Max and this woman was obviously taken in Frankfurt before 1870. So I thought of family connections between Munich and Frankfurt. There is Mathilde of Hessen-Darmstadt, of course, but in my opinion it can't be her.

Although it would be great to have a pic of one of Maximilian's illegitimate daughters, I can't imagine that the duke took one of these daughters to an atelier in Frankfurt (why not Munich?) to take some photos ... He was a liberal mind, of course, but if he had taken his illegitimate daughters into public, I guess we would know much more about them now.

Besides, we have to keep in mind that Max was still married to Ludovica, sister and aunt of many kings and queens, and that he was the father of the Empress of Austria. I guess, in the 19th century there would have been a public outcry if Max had appeared somewhere with his illegitimate daughter. No chance.
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I think Duke Max would have done so. Perhaps this illegitimate daughter got married to a man living in Frankfurt ? I think we need to do more research before we can cross this possibility off.

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To sum up: The photo of Max and this woman was obviously taken in Frankfurt before 1870. So I thought of family connections between Munich and Frankfurt. There is Mathilde of Hessen-Darmstadt, of course, but in my opinion it can't be her.

Although it would be great to have a pic of one of Maximilian's illegitimate daughters, I can't imagine that the duke took one of these daughters to an atelier in Frankfurt (why not Munich?) to take some photos ... He was a liberal mind, of course, but if he had taken his illegitimate daughters into public, I guess we would know much more about them now.

Besides, we have to keep in mind that Max was still married to Ludovica, sister and aunt of many kings and queens, and that he was the father of the Empress of Austria. I guess, in the 19th century there would have been a public outcry if Max had appeared somewhere with his illegitimate daughter. No chance.

So, is it possible that the lady portrayed is a far niece or cousin of the Duke? She is indeed related to Duke Maximilian, there is a strong resemblance between them!!! Or isn't there a possibility of the photo being taken for remain strictly private? I mean the Duke took this photo posing with his alleged illegitimate daughter but didn't want that it could be made public... but as you said I think that this option isn't much likely :-/
« Last Edit: April 02, 2013, 02:51:52 PM by Yelena Aleksandrovna »

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As far as i know Max was the only child of his parents so a close niece, it couldnt be.

Its very confusing, but also very interesting this mystery around this image. Loooove it!

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I think that was a private photo. It hasn't surfaced in any books until now.

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As far as i know Max was the only child of his parents so a close niece, it couldnt be.

This is true, Maximilian did not have siblings, that's why I thought that she could be a veeery far relative... but the likeness bewteen the woman and the Duke is really impressive! The idea of the private photo sounds well but in the other hand I think that it could be a bit risky (not only for what Marie Charlotte said but also someone could have find it and made it public).... It's really difficult to find a solution for this mystery :-/
« Last Edit: April 02, 2013, 08:18:28 PM by Yelena Aleksandrovna »

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Not only that but even Ludovika and Sisi knew that Max loved his illegitimate daughters the best of all. So a private photo with his daughter in a studio in Frankfurt (where the girl may be been married ) should make perfect common sense.  I don't think it is more risky than the brother of the Austrian Emperor caught in drag. That would have been a real embarrassment had it been made public, but yet the photo surfaced...

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Equestrian portrait of both Maximilian and Ludovika, 1833, by Heinrich von Mayr: Here