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Offline Douglas

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Re: Alexander Palace Restoration
« Reply #75 on: November 27, 2007, 02:27:03 PM »
The Russians are slow to realize they sit on a tourist goldmine at Tsarskoe Selo.

Reminds me of the British.  A lot of Brits can't stand the royal family but they realize that the RF brings in millions and millions of tourist dollars.  Far more than the RF costs the government.

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Re: Alexander Palace Restoration
« Reply #76 on: November 27, 2007, 05:06:37 PM »
Reminds me of the British.  A lot of Brits can't stand the royal family but they realize that the RF brings in millions and millions of tourist dollars.  Far more than the RF costs the government.

No, I don't think you can compare the Russians to the Brits... The Russians do know how to exploit their former royalty for $$$, the problem is that the money ends up in the wrong pockets...

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Re: Alexander Palace Restoration
« Reply #77 on: November 29, 2007, 09:47:27 AM »
Douglas, no disrespect but as has been said many times, we are a minority group (admittedly comparatively large).  Our interest is very much centred on the Russian monarchy - more specifically the last IF.  In my experience Russians are not hugely interested themselves and if Russia is to truly tap into the vast incomes tourism can bring, then it needs to have wider appeal than just Romanov addicts. 
The Catherine Palace will always be the significant draw at Tsarskoe because it is impressive in size and a beautiful spectacle which conjures up everything a tourist would like to associate with the Tsars - rich Rococo covered in gold and screaming opulence.  For the majority of us forum users a far more poignant and tangible link with the last IF is more appealing. 
The Alexander Palace is not really significant in terms of design/beauty/scale/historical context - as much as I and most of the forum would like to think it is.  It will never be a massive tourist draw.  It's charm and significance is almost entirely based around Nicohlas & Alexandra, OTMA & A, Rasputin etc.  I adore the place, I would go back every year if I could, but plainly speaking to the vast majority it's not Giza, The Colosseum, Versailles or even Peterhof.  I love it just the way it is, simple, without crowds or fuss and that makes the IF far more tangible than some recreation.  The only caveat being the desperate need to repair and maintain the fabric of the building as it stands.
As always I've waffled rather - so please excuse me that.  We should always remember that we have a very specific interest and that to the vast majority of people the IF are a complete unknown.  The Alexander Palace is not the answer in terms of creating a tourist hotbed - and I very much hope it never will be.

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Re: Alexander Palace Restoration
« Reply #78 on: November 29, 2007, 09:51:10 AM »
I love it just the way it is, simple, without crowds or fuss and that makes the IF far more tangible than some recreation. 

I agree. I personally find the CP kind of gaudy and if it weren't for the history behind it I would have no interest in it...

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Re: Alexander Palace Restoration
« Reply #79 on: January 07, 2008, 06:45:11 AM »
Hi everybody and Happy 2008!

It's been a while since I asked for any news of the restorations works on the Alexander Palace. I know that some work has begun, but I wonder if real progress has been made and if somebody has any photos of those works. Also I would like to know, if there is any plan to work on the Children's Island or other places of the Alexander Park? Thanks for any information.


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Re: Alexander Palace Restoration
« Reply #80 on: January 07, 2008, 07:46:30 AM »
There are a lot of plans, but money.. First of all the museum wants to restore the facade and the roof.
Last month one person (a citizen of StP) donated $168 000 for a bridge in the Alexander Park.

My last photo of the AP:


large version: http://i040.radikal.ru/0801/ca/13d446022012.jpg

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« Reply #81 on: January 07, 2008, 08:35:15 AM »
Thank you very much for the info. Money...that little detail....

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« Reply #82 on: January 07, 2008, 05:43:13 PM »
I noticed the broken window in the last picture.  I assumed even though the palace is in urgent need of repairs, that at least all the windows were intact, guess not?

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Re: Alexander Palace Restoration
« Reply #83 on: January 08, 2008, 11:33:02 AM »
It is not the broken window. It is the window with old paint.

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« Reply #84 on: January 08, 2008, 03:16:51 PM »
There are a lot of plans, but money.. First of all the museum wants to restore the facade and the roof.
Last month one person (a citizen of StP) donated $168 000 for a bridge in the Alexander Park.

My last photo of the AP:


large version: http://i040.radikal.ru/0801/ca/13d446022012.jpg


What does it say around the picture? 

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« Reply #85 on: January 08, 2008, 05:22:44 PM »
While people often say that the Alexander Palace will never be the tourist draw that the Catherine Palace is, what it could be successfully similar to when it is restored is the Cottage at Peterhof. The Cottage (and its nearby Gothic Chapel) will never have the traffic that the big Palace at Peterhof does, but has people visiting it, and there is ongoing work to improve it and the gardens around it. The Cottage is not the cash cow for Peterhof that main palace ensemble is---but it doesn't need to be in order to justify its place in the scheme of things at Peterhof.

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Re: Alexander Palace Restoration
« Reply #86 on: January 08, 2008, 05:30:18 PM »
I cannot tell you the wording on the memorial stone.   It was discussed in depth, and sadly at times rather bitterly, elsewhere on the Palace thread, Tatianochka.   Please don't think you are going from one contentious issue to another.   These are perfectly legitimate questions and you obviously are keen to learn about the Alexander Palace.   As you will have observed it is a huge subject which can, from time to time, engender some hot debate.   

That's the thing about the Alexander Palace.    It remains every bit as controversial today as it was during the reign of the last Emperor.

To return to the restoration of the Palace - Russia's coffers are overflowing with boundless bounty from their oil and gas reserves - not to mention their gold, diamonds and countless other precious minerals.   Money is not the issue here.   There can now be little doubt that the reason it is political rather than economic.   The money being spent on the roof and facade is cosmetic in preparation for 2010 and the tercentenary of Tsarskoe Selo as well as a limp attempt to make sure the building does not physically collapse.

One would hope that when and if the day comes when a restoration is attempted, they will not use the cheap, modern render (it should be lime plaster - there is no modern equivalent) and finishes which we can see in the photographs which Vladimir so kindly posted of the Farm Palace at Petergof.   Sadly the external appearance of the Farm Palace reminds me of the many russified restaurants which are springing up everywhere around St Petersburg.

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Re: Alexander Palace Restoration
« Reply #87 on: January 08, 2008, 06:07:53 PM »
While people often say that the Alexander Palace will never be the tourist draw that the Catherine Palace is ...


IMO, if they market it the right way, it can be... or at least as you mentioned, as successful as some of the smaller palace/museums. It's all in how it's promoted!

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« Reply #88 on: January 08, 2008, 11:02:30 PM »
However it is "marketed", it does not need to be a cashcow anymore than the Cottage is or the Farm will be. Personally speaking, I would much rather the Alexander Palace after restoration be like visiting the Cottage instead of the Catherine Palace or the big palace at Peterhof. 

The church cupolas at the Catherine Palace and the Peterhof big palace are being redone to correct the errors of the initial restoration done in Soviet times. While I am glad it is happening, I am also sad that the cupolas are being tweaked and/or rearranged while the Alexander Palace's building fabric is crumbling. It seems to be an issue of priorities rather than money, and I hope that the AP's roof doesn't collapse while it waits for its turn to rise from ruin.

For a building with a beautiful architectural and historical pedigree, it certainly has not received its fair share of restoration attention or rubles. Hopefully the tide has turned and is now running in a more positive direction for the Alexander Palace.

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Re: Alexander Palace Restoration
« Reply #89 on: January 09, 2008, 08:18:58 AM »
Unfortunately in Russia, the proverb "money talks" is truer than anywhere else... The AP will benefit proportionally to how much money it brings in (as we see with CP, etc). Hence, better "marketing" will mean more tourists, more tourists will mean more money, more money will mean more upkeep... It's not idealistic, but it's realistic, alas... :-(