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Re: Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaievna, Queen of Wuerttemberg
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2007, 04:33:55 AM »
The point is: was Ekaterina Michailowna considered ugly in his time ? I have no documents on that, no memories, no letters ... and I do not read russian. Purhaps something could be find in the language of her husband (german but I do not read german...). I have a vague memory to have rode once that - as a young girl - in Russia she was considered charming and very cultured, with a sweet voice and sweet manners.

Many french travellers said that russian women of the nobilty were slight, beautiful in face, really cultured. So, beeng plain,  E M was certainly different. She also married young (17een, I guess) and it seems her husband was deeply in love with her. I do not know if the niece that Nicolas wanted to marry Alexander was her... I thought (without a precise reason) it was Maria Michailovna (the one dead in Vienna of tuberculosis).

An other fact is that to-day, to be plain still means to be considered in some way "ugly" (as a man and as a woman). 

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Re: Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaievna, Queen of Wuerttemberg
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2007, 11:28:13 PM »
The point is: was Ekaterina Michailowna considered ugly in his time ? I have no documents on that, no memories, no letters ... and I do not read russian. Purhaps something could be find in the language of her husband (german but I do not read german...). I have a vague memory to have rode once that - as a young girl - in Russia she was considered charming and very cultured, with a sweet voice and sweet manners.

That was quite understandable since her mother, Elena Pavlovna, was a very refined and highly intelligent lady. She must've personally supervised the education of her daughters.

Does anyone have information on Elizabeth Michailovna? She died very young (in childbirth), like her cousin, Alexandra Nicholaievna. It was said that she was a very pretty and charming girl.

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Re: Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaievna, Queen of Wuerttemberg
« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2007, 12:46:06 AM »
The point is: was Ekaterina Michailowna considered ugly in his time ? I have no documents on that, no memories, no letters ... and I do not read russian. Purhaps something could be find in the language of her husband (german but I do not read german...). I have a vague memory to have rode once that - as a young girl - in Russia she was considered charming and very cultured, with a sweet voice and sweet manners.


Does anyone have information on Elizabeth Michailovna? She died very young (in childbirth), like her cousin, Alexandra Nicholaievna. It was said that she was a very pretty and charming girl.

So sad that many interesting old threads in our Forums are deleted as there were 2 or 3 threads on the descendants of GD Mikhail Pavlovich with info and pictures.
Elizaveta Mikhailovna was considered the prettiest among her sisters but frail in health, she also was of a melancholic temper and when being pregnant afraid that she would die as her cousin Alexandra Nikolayevna in childbirth...And Elizaveta really died so.



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Re: Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaievna, Queen of Wuerttemberg
« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2007, 01:56:36 AM »
The point is: was Ekaterina Michailowna considered ugly in his time ? I have no documents on that, no memories, no letters ... and I do not read russian. Purhaps something could be find in the language of her husband (german but I do not read german...). I have a vague memory to have rode once that - as a young girl - in Russia she was considered charming and very cultured, with a sweet voice and sweet manners.


Does anyone have information on Elizabeth Michailovna? She died very young (in childbirth), like her cousin, Alexandra Nicholaievna. It was said that she was a very pretty and charming girl.

So sad that many interesting old threads in our Forums are deleted as there were 2 or 3 threads on the descendants of GD Mikhail Pavlovich with info and pictures.
Elizaveta Mikhailovna was considered the prettiest among her sisters but frail in health, she also was of a melancholic temper and when being pregnant afraid that she would die as her cousin Alexandra Nikolayevna in childbirth...And Elizaveta really died so.





Yes, I remembered that there was an old thread about Elizabeth Michailovna but now it was also deleted I think.  :(

Anyways, about her, she did look prettier (in portraits) among her sisters. But I really want to know more about her relationship with her husband Adolf. I read that she and Adolf were very much in love with one another, and that her death was a great blow to him.

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Re: Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaievna, Queen of Wuerttemberg
« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2007, 03:28:25 AM »
The point is: was Ekaterina Michailowna considered ugly in his time ? I have no documents on that, no memories, no letters ... and I do not read russian. Purhaps something could be find in the language of her husband (german but I do not read german...). I have a vague memory to have rode once that - as a young girl - in Russia she was considered charming and very cultured, with a sweet voice and sweet manners.


Does anyone have information on Elizabeth Michailovna? She died very young (in childbirth), like her cousin, Alexandra Nicholaievna. It was said that she was a very pretty and charming girl.

So sad that many interesting old threads in our Forums are deleted as there were 2 or 3 threads on the descendants of GD Mikhail Pavlovich with info and pictures.
Elizaveta Mikhailovna was considered the prettiest among her sisters but frail in health, she also was of a melancholic temper and when being pregnant afraid that she would die as her cousin Alexandra Nikolayevna in childbirth...And Elizaveta really died so.





Yes, I remembered that there was an old thread about Elizabeth Michailovna but now it was also deleted I think.  :(

Anyways, about her, she did look prettier (in portraits) among her sisters. But I really want to know more about her relationship with her husband Adolf. I read that she and Adolf were very much in love with one another, and that her death was a great blow to him.

Yes, according to the sources she and Adolf were really in love and he was in a great sorrow after her death.

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Re: Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaievna, Queen of Wuerttemberg
« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2007, 07:57:38 AM »
The fact is that the husbands of Elizabeta Michailovna and of Alexandra Nicolaevna had - speaking only after few informations -  very different behaviors.
The two Grande-Duchesses married on january 1844 (28th of January for Alexandra Nicolaevna and 31th of january for Elisabeta Michailovna). Alexandra died on august 1844 and Elisabeta on January 1845. Alexandra's husband married again after - I guess - one year or two and the record of the princess exists only in Russia because he rmother and father builted in Tsarkoie Selo a monument (also I guess - but I am not completely sure - that some orphanage in St Petersburg was named by her name) . Adolf builted an orthodox church and a russian cemetery in his own city and married again after quite 10 years.

Now this consideration is only a superficial one and certainly do not receive all the  facts (purhaps the second marriage of Friedrich Wilhelm was a dynastic and politic duty, and so on)

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Re: Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaievna, Queen of Wuerttemberg
« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2007, 08:20:32 AM »
The fact is that the husbands of Elizabeta Michailovna and of Alexandra Nicolaevna had - speaking only after few informations -  very different behaviors.
The two Grande-Duchesses married on january 1844 (28th of January for Alexandra Nicolaevna and 31th of january for Elisabeta Michailovna). Alexandra died on august 1844 and Elisabeta on January 1845. Alexandra's husband married again after - I guess - one year or two and the record of the princess exists only in Russia because he rmother and father builted in Tsarkoie Selo a monument (also I guess - but I am not completely sure - that some orphanage in St Petersburg was named by her name) . Adolf builted an orthodox church and a russian cemetery in his own city and married again after quite 10 years.


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In fact Alexandra's husband Landgrave of Hessen-Kassel married secondly only in 1853 Princess Anna of Prussia. And Adolf married in 1851, earlier than Friedrich. So nothing really different in their behaviour.
The interesting fact that both broken-hearted widowers were allowed to keep their wives' dower and all dower chests ...And their future wives were much grateful to the Russian Grand Duchesses for such a present as the dower and fortunes of the deceased girls were very large.

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Re: Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaievna, Queen of Wuerttemberg
« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2007, 08:58:30 AM »
Dear, Dear Svetabel

Thank you very much: I have an italian book on germans sovereigns and mediatised german families were there is an error of dating (second wedding of Friedrich Wilhem in january 1846) So, thank you!!


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Re: Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaievna, Queen of Wuerttemberg
« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2007, 08:37:57 PM »
Portrait of GDss Olga Nikolaievna



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Re: Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaievna, Queen of Wuerttemberg
« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2007, 08:36:38 PM »

Portrait of GDss Olga Nikolaievna




grand duchess Olga Nikolaevna, queen of Württemburg
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Re: Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaievna, Queen of Wuerttemberg
« Reply #25 on: October 14, 2007, 10:17:41 PM »
there is this one portrait i've been trying to look for, it's of Olga Nikolaevna i believe in this blue velvet dress with pearls hanging from it..it looks like it was from the mid 1800's
has anyone else seen this portrait before?


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Re: Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaievna, Queen of Wuerttemberg
« Reply #26 on: October 15, 2007, 12:34:07 AM »
there is this one portrait i've been trying to look for, it's of Olga Nikolaevna i believe in this blue velvet dress with pearls hanging from it..it looks like it was from the mid 1800's
has anyone else seen this portrait before?


do you mean this one?:





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Re: Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaievna, Queen of Wuerttemberg
« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2008, 07:21:29 AM »
Grand Duchesses Maria Nikolaevna and Olga Nikolaevna


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« Reply #28 on: February 03, 2008, 07:26:52 AM »
Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaevna


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« Reply #29 on: August 25, 2009, 10:18:30 AM »
Good day! Help me, please.
I  search color version this portrait of Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaevna