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Re: anna anderson's biography by James B Lovell
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2004, 03:24:18 PM »
While many of the tapes were in her more lucid years, the most bizarre I believe came from her much later years. The King Kong story comes to mind - related to Lovell after seeing a movie with him.

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« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2004, 07:17:47 PM »
Yes. I cringed when I read this, having read Peter's fine book. Maybe she did say this, but she was old and senile at the time, and it did not make her look very credible because it was a departure from what she said before.

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« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2005, 01:49:05 PM »
This is one of the threads Bear...

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Re: anna anderson's biography by James B Lovell
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2005, 03:34:57 PM »
Thanks Denise.

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Re: anna anderson's biography by James B Lovell
« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2005, 04:09:47 PM »
I do not see that Lovell's Anna Anderson is different form Kurth's.  She came a little further by the time Lovell came along but then everything else had too.  There are many things said in Lovell that need to be looked at very carefully, unfortunately the royal houses of Europe and possibly the most secret papers of the US gov. are still closed.  In Rusia, too, I think there are many things that might still be found if one had access.
  Without going into all the facets of this case because it would take many books, the "rape" motif fits with Anna Anderson's case though I think she herself in younger years tried to mask the actual events of her escape from Russia because they were so utterly devastating.  She certainly did have an "ax to grind" and could have given as good as she got.  Madame Mutabor, indeed.  The Bolsheviks left them all alive because death was too easy of a way after what they had put them through.  

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Re: anna anderson's biography by James B Lovell
« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2005, 10:11:00 PM »
Hey,

    With regards to Lovell's account of Anna's statement about the murder of the tsar and the separation of the romanov women to Perm.  This coversation was not recorded-unlike other quotes which came directly from audio recordings which were made Anna's time in Germany up through her move to America.  In regards to the authenticity of the story I have been told by a noted Russian historian that Lovell admitted before his death to have made the story up.  Unfortunately there is no official documentation  of Lovell having made a confession just as there is no recording of Anna having made the account.

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Re: anna anderson's biography by James B Lovell
« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2006, 06:25:17 PM »
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Hey,

     With regards to Lovell's account of Anna's statement about the murder of the tsar and the separation of the romanov women to Perm.  This coversation was not recorded-unlike other quotes which came directly from audio recordings which were made Anna's time in Germany up through her move to America.  In regards to the authenticity of the story I have been told by a noted Russian historian that Lovell admitted before his death to have made the story up.  Unfortunately there is no official documentation  of Lovell having made a confession just as there is no recording of Anna having made the account.

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Tim


Dear Tim,

I'm not asking for your source, whom I assume wishes to remain anonymous, but is there any other way to confirm the assertion that Mr. Lovell confessed to having fabricated the so-called "King Kong" account? The point is, the waters are completely murky: We can't be sure Anastasia Manahan said what Lovell reported, and we can't be sure that Lovell admitted to fabrication.

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Alec




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Re: anna anderson's biography by James B Lovell
« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2006, 02:36:15 AM »
I remember flicking through the book in a library once and thinking how absurd it all was and quite laughable. At one point she referred to Lovell as her heir...it was for him to tell her story.... bla bla bla  ;D ;D
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« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2007, 12:43:41 PM »
The books by Lovell and Kurth are so poor. They have one good use .... pulping.

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« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2007, 01:22:22 PM »
Lovell's book is simply bizarre. But then, so was he, if one knew him.
 Kurth is another story. An excellent writer, and a very good book. He wrote the "bible" of the AA supporters, I suppose. Like most "bibles", no matter how well scribed, I just do not believe it. I do, however, like everyting Kurth writes, most of which, I do agree with- his political slant that is.
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Re: anna anderson's biography by James B Lovell
« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2007, 04:50:42 PM »
I know nothing about Lovell,  however,  I am getting to know Peter Kurth through his posts on King's and Wilson's  chat room.  From what I see from where I'm sitting,  he digs into a subject,  discovers the facts, and, as far as I know, is the only one who has accomplished an excellent book on AA.  and the facts around her.   When a person reads all the stuff he post, now,  that wasn't in his book,  it is  even more understandable why he believed she was Grand Duchess Anastasia before the DNA test results.. 

I think it would be very interesting if he wrote a book about himself,  how he came to write the book on Anastasia,  and,  some of the things he wasn't able to place in his book about AA..

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« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2007, 10:48:48 PM »
It's very useful to keep you warm in winter. It is excellent as a firestarter. Apart from this it has no reason to exist. It is a total fabrication in support of an imposter. It is not worth your time or money.

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« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2007, 12:05:11 PM »
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Re: anna anderson's biography by James B Lovell
« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2007, 12:54:47 PM »
The books by Lovell and Kurth are so poor. They have one good use .... pulping.
Say what you like about Lovell but Kurths book is EXCELLENT !!!!!!

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« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2007, 06:38:26 AM »
I believe that Greg King has said that Lovell admitted to him that he made up some stuff, telescoped other stuff together the way they do in tv movies of true incidents, and that the King Kong stuff was fabricated.

Unlike's Peter Kurth's book which is well researched and amazingly footnoted, this one is just not worth the paper it was printed on but I did like some of the photos, especially the famous one of AA in the 20s with her birds.    It  is a real shame there is no film of her at that time.  I think that whichever side of the fence you are on,  it would be incredibly interesting to see her - and hear her - at that time in her life.