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Pictures of Anastasia with Jemmy, Shibzik, etc.
« on: October 05, 2006, 09:07:23 PM »
Hi,

I can't seem to find many pictures of Anastasia (or Olga, for that matter) with her dogs. As you can tell, I love dogs and I think it would be easier if we had all of the photographs of Anastasia and her dogs all in one topic, just to save us the stress of using the search engine all the time :).

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Re: Pictures of Anastasia with Jemmy, Shibzik, etc.
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2006, 11:36:09 AM »
i have the full one of her and her "teddy"  ;)

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Re: Pictures of Anastasia with Jemmy, Shibzik, etc.
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2006, 04:17:42 PM »
The Dog in the first picture, Jemmy, wasn't really Anastasia's. It was actually Tatiana's. And the second picture is with (I'm 99% sure)her dog Shvibzik, it wasn't a "teddy" or doll, it's a real animal.  ;)
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Re: Pictures of Anastasia with Jemmy, Shibzik, etc.
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2006, 04:44:32 PM »
i thought jemmy was Nastyas

didn't he die with them in the basement?
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Re: Pictures of Anastasia with Jemmy, Shibzik, etc.
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2006, 05:02:09 PM »
i thought jemmy was Nastyas

didn't he die with them in the basement?
Jemmy did in fact belong to Tatiana, but she already had Ortino. So Jemmy sort of turned to Anastasia for love and affection.

Wether it was Ortino or Jemmy that was killed was discussed, and I believe that yes, Jemmy had died with them.

Any other pictures? Isn't there one of them on the Standart where Anastasia's holding on to Shibzik with a leash?

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Re: Pictures of Anastasia with Jemmy, Shibzik, etc.
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2006, 07:44:31 PM »
oh i never knew about that

there is a picture of them on the standart? i've never seen this
maybe sarushka can find them
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Re: Pictures of Anastasia with Jemmy, Shibzik, etc.
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2006, 07:58:53 PM »
I think I've found it... Its in "Olishka's Journal" page three of the albums. It's on the second row, fourth picture. The caption is "Bored on the Standart".

http://www.livadia.org/olishka/album3.html

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Re: Pictures of Anastasia with Jemmy, Shibzik, etc.
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2006, 08:22:26 PM »
That does sound plausible, but there's just one thing missing. Only the body of one dog was found, and that was believed to be Jemmy. No one knows what became of the other dog (Ortino). I like to believe it ran away and found someone to care for it, but that's a one in a million chance, right? ???

Other than that, I agree with you completely.

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Re: Pictures of Anastasia with Jemmy, Shibzik, etc.
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2006, 11:36:35 PM »
I'm pretty sure the dog that Anastasia was holding on a leash on the Standart was not Shvibzik. Shvibzik died of cerebral inflammation in mid 1915. Which was about the same time as when the picture of Anastasia in the motorcar with a dog was taken. Shvibzik was also a type of pomerianian dog which is what the "teddy" is. The dog in the Standart picture is clearly not.

There is no proof that Jemmy was killed IN the cellar with the family and Yurovsky gives no mention of any dogs present at the actual executions, however, I remember reading that Jemmy was making so much noise with her barking and everything that they did kill her. Her body was found frozen in a mineshaft on June 25, 1919, very well preserved and was positively identified as Jemmy by Pierre Gilliard. When found her, forensic pathologists did an autopsy which showed that the dog had been dead for no more than a week when it was discovered. So, it couldn't have died with Anastasia. Jemmy was given to Tatiana as a gift from Anya Vyrubova after she left the family. Since Anastasia did not have a dog but loved them very much, she played with Jemmy all the time and kind of took her under her wing. Her legs were so short that she had to carry him up the stairs and Anastasia often referred to her as "My Jim." But it still was not technically hers. I read that Ortino was killed on the staircase and from the extra bone fragments, is believed to have also been burned along with the others. Joy survived the Ipatiev House and lived out the remainder of his life at Windsor, where he is now buried.
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Re: Pictures of Anastasia with Jemmy, Shibzik, etc.
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2006, 09:34:23 AM »

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Re: Pictures of Anastasia with Jemmy, Shibzik, etc.
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2006, 09:39:11 AM »
thanks holly for the information
in the Kitchen Boy jemmy's head was squashed

but that is fiction   ::)
i believe Jemmy died with Nastya
and Oritino got away

i only thought one dog was with them in the arrest not two.. but it does make sense.
But Jemmy couldn't have died the same day as Anastasia did if when they found him a year later and he had been dead only a week.  ::) It's highly unlikely Ortino could have run away or anything like that. Bits of bone they found which had been burned, that didn't go anywhere else, is thought to have been the remains of Ortino.
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Re: Pictures of Anastasia with Jemmy, Shibzik, etc.
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2006, 11:35:21 AM »
Hmm... then who is the dog with her on the standart?  ??? I was almost certain it was Shibzik!
D'OH!

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Re: Pictures of Anastasia with Jemmy, Shibzik, etc.
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2006, 04:37:06 PM »
didn't alix have a dog?
but i thought it was smaller.. maybe it was MFs?

hmm i suppose your right.. but still that is very lucky
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Re: Pictures of Anastasia with Jemmy, Shibzik, etc.
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2006, 10:39:21 PM »
   The one found by the whites was Jemmy. I think that it is even a photo of the remains of the dog, that is more close to Jemmy than to Ortino who was a black French Bulldog.

   If you read "Fate of the Romanovs", by Penny Wilson and Greg King they made a very complete account of the family's death, and they mentioned that the one who was killed by a bayonette was Ortino. Later, some little bones where found by Sokolov researchers among some remains of human fat, human skin and ashes. Some historians believes that these bones could be these of Ortino. Others, thinks that there were just chicken bones, for Yurovsky and his men could have been eating chicken right there (Yuck!  :P)

   And Robert K. Massie mentiones ( in "Nicholas and Alexandra" and in "The Romanovs; the Last Chapter") that Jemmy was in Anastasia's arms. She was carrying him. When the shot started, the animal jump out Anastasia's arms, and he got his head crushed by a rifle's butt. I think this explains all.

     Joy was the only one too lucky to get away . It's very sad  and paradoxal that he was the only one of the Imperial family that could reach England and ending his days there, happily...like the Tsar had wished. :'(

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Re: Pictures of Anastasia with Jemmy, Shibzik, etc.
« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2006, 11:08:53 AM »
there is a picture of them on the standart? i've never seen this
maybe sarushka can find them
These are the only photos I can think of with a dog on the Standart. I think it's probably MF's dog, though. It only appears in photos with her...




Alexandra did have a dog -- some kind of terrier named Eira. I'm sure you can find a photo of her (I've seen it, but I don't have it) on this thread, which AGRBear maintains rather faithfully:
Imp. Family/Romanov's Family's Pets Link List
THE LOST CROWN: A Novel of Romanov Russia -- now in paperback!
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