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Re: Pictures of Anastasia with Jemmy, Shibzik, etc.
« Reply #30 on: October 14, 2006, 11:08:59 AM »
here is a picture of TA with oritino.

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« Reply #31 on: October 14, 2006, 07:49:35 PM »
Cow?
When did Anastasia get this cow? Did all of the girls get one?

I've seen some photos of the Imperial Cows in one of the websites here: Tsarskoe Selo 1910, I think.

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Re: Pictures of Anastasia with Jemmy, Shibzik, etc.
« Reply #32 on: October 14, 2006, 08:22:20 PM »
I don't think it was all the girls, just Anastasia. All I know is that she was given a cow by the president of France at the time and it was kept at the Imperial Zoo.
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Re: Pictures of Anastasia with Jemmy, Shibzik, etc.
« Reply #33 on: October 14, 2006, 09:26:41 PM »
i've never heard of the Cow

but alexei did get a donkey! 8)
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Re: Pictures of Anastasia with Jemmy, Shibzik, etc.
« Reply #34 on: October 22, 2006, 08:54:06 AM »
didn't alix have a dog?

Here's a thread about Alix's dog, Eira:
Eira Alexandra Feodorovna's dog

And a photo:


Alix also had an Italian greyhound as a child, which was stuffed after he died. It was auctioned off a few months ago...
Auction for "Cony", Pr. Alix's stuffed greyhound


i've never heard of the Cow

but alexei did get a donkey! 8)
And don't forget the elephant!
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Re: Pictures of Anastasia with Jemmy, Shibzik, etc.
« Reply #35 on: November 19, 2009, 09:23:52 AM »
I think I've found it... Its in "Olishka's Journal" page three of the albums. It's on the second row, fourth picture. The caption is "Bored on the Standart".

http://www.livadia.org/olishka/album3.html

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I always thought that dog was Joy....certainly the same breed. They had so many dogs that perhaps a dog lover like Anastasia,
would take one along  for a trip.

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Re: Pictures of Anastasia with Jemmy, Shibzik, etc.
« Reply #36 on: November 20, 2009, 06:24:40 PM »
i thought jemmy was Nastyas

didn't he die with them in the basement?

Wether it was Ortino or Jemmy that was killed was discussed, and I believe that yes, Jemmy had died with them.



It was in fact Jemmy, as is often reputed, who died on the night of the execution. I've always believed he was in the cellar with everyone, but there are accounts that say otherwise. You can see the animal has long, matted hair, a trait more akin to a King Charles Cavalier Spaniel than a French Bulldog.



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Re: Pictures of Anastasia with Jemmy, Shibzik, etc.
« Reply #37 on: November 20, 2009, 07:12:55 PM »
i thought jemmy was Nastyas

didn't he die with them in the basement?

Wether it was Ortino or Jemmy that was killed was discussed, and I believe that yes, Jemmy had died with them.


Ignore that last bit...

I've always felt it was Jemmy, as is often reputed, who died on the night of the execution. I've also thought she was in the cellar with everyone, but there are accounts that say otherwise. You can see the animal has long, matted hair, a trait more akin to a King Charles Cavalier Spaniel than a French Bulldog. The chapter that the below image is taken from talks a lot about the dog being "planted" and goes into detail about the amount of decomposition the body should have endured after 11 months submerged in water (this animal was found in June 1919). It also goes on to say that this proves the Romanovs had been spirited out of Ekaterinburg and only the servants executed. So I can't really make a sound decision, based on this author and his "evidence", whether the corpse is definitely Jemmy or not :| But I mean, strange things can happen, and I honestly think it is her.




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Re: Pictures of Anastasia with Jemmy, Shibzik, etc.
« Reply #38 on: November 20, 2009, 08:29:15 PM »
Two of the executioner's accounts mention Anastasia carrying a small dog to the cellar. One was Strekotin, which nena quoted in another thread:

With them came Yurovsky, Nikulin, Medvedev, and Ermakov, the last one I knew from the Dutov Front. All of the arrested ones were dressed in the usual manner, and were clean and neat. The Tsar carried his son in his arms. Anastasia carried a little dog. The ex-Empress leaned on the arm of her eldest daughter, Olga.


Even if the 1919 canine corpse is not Jemmy, that doesn't mean Jemmy wasn't killed with the family. IMO, she was indeed in the cellar, and died there with Anastasia.
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Re: Pictures of Anastasia with Jemmy, Shibzik, etc.
« Reply #39 on: November 20, 2009, 09:41:28 PM »
It's obvious that Jemmy didn't live past 1918 but I wouldn't say for sure if he was in the cellar with them or not. As NAOTMAA Fan said, there isn't enough proof that he was. Too many different accounts on the execution to know for sure. Personally, I can't see Anastasia leaving Jemmy behind. She cared for Jemmy too much to just leave her there alone. But I don't know for sure.
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Re: Pictures of Anastasia with Jemmy, Shibzik, etc.
« Reply #40 on: November 20, 2009, 09:57:45 PM »
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Even if the 1919 canine corpse is not Jemmy, that doesn't mean Jemmy wasn't killed with the family. IMO, she was indeed in the cellar, and died there with Anastasia.

I agree with that...it's not a detail someone bothers to creates and I don't see her leaving Jemmy. I wonder what the family was told about the other dogs...they would be brought to them later??

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Re: Pictures of Anastasia with Jemmy, Shibzik, etc.
« Reply #41 on: November 20, 2009, 10:17:56 PM »
Was Ortino already dead by the time of the executions? The only thing I've ever read of his death was in Carolyn Meyer's Anastasia: The Last Grand Duchess. Not exactly a reliable or primary historical source I dare say : \

I'm glad though to see the majority of people agree with my opinion on Jemmy's presence in the cellar, I thought there might be some opposition. Given that, does this mean Ortino was the dog who was seen "shivering" on the staircase and then impaled on the end of a soldier's bayonet? Did that actually happen do you think? I mean I'm going to have to believe the canine corpse from 1919 was Jemmy, only because I couldn't explain where else her corpse may have gone. And having said that, if Ortino was also killed that night, where did his body go?
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Re: Pictures of Anastasia with Jemmy, Shibzik, etc.
« Reply #42 on: November 21, 2009, 05:26:32 AM »
Well, Ortipo aka Ortino was seen in GD Tatiana's arms, by Pierre Gilliard, upon arriving at Ekaterinburg Railroad Station. What happened with Frenchy, we can only guess. I am believer that Jemmy was presented in the cellar room, and apparently stabbed by soldier, the one saying 'Dogs die like dogs'.

However, I will do all my efforts to find out something more, on Russian web about dogs. I am almost sure that Anastasia carried her little pet on the final night,Yurovsky states also. Dog was found on June 25th 1919 at Mine.

Heh, me using a lot of metaphors?

This little part refers on Ortipo, but it is not enough *translated*:

It remains to find out what happened to Ortipo. It is not found among the living, but has not found among the dead. Most likely it is she howled, left in an empty room, one on the top floor of the house. Joey was silent, and Jimmy was sitting on his hands Anastasia and was unlikely to howl. It turns out, howling little French bulldog guard Kabanov with fear of the howling of several dogs! Ah, yes Ortipo, ah, yes lad!
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Re: Pictures of Anastasia with Jemmy, Shibzik, etc.
« Reply #43 on: November 21, 2009, 07:42:26 AM »
Was Ortino already dead by the time of the executions? The only thing I've ever read of his death was in Carolyn Meyer's Anastasia: The Last Grand Duchess. Not exactly a reliable or primary historical source I dare say : \

I'm fairly sure Ortipo was present in the Ipatiev house. I'll check Alexandra's diary and see if there's any mention of her.
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Re: Pictures of Anastasia with Jemmy, Shibzik, etc.
« Reply #44 on: November 23, 2009, 02:18:17 PM »




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I have been looking at this photo of the resting Imperial children for many years and just now, because of the size of it, I can see that under thier sweaters, Anastasia and Tatiana  have on blouses I have seen from thier Crimea  trip of 1914... It's always jarring to see a something from thier royal lives show up in thier prison lives . But thank you for that big file!

As to the dogs body,  Pierre Gilliard identified it as Jemmy. As to the condition of Jemmy's  body when found , well
 it had spent most of that time frozen solid certainly. That would preserve it remarkably. It was placed there in high summer and retrieved in high summer, but we are talking about Siberia.

 As to the idea of the body being planted... it didn't seem the murders were that together at all. That might be given them too much credit for brains or time. It would mean Jemmy was living in the area well after the family. That hardly seems likely. And how many toy dogs would there be around there who were close enough to Jemmy to fool Gilliard ?

 Also it seems to me  tiny Jemmy could be easily killed in the botched mayhem the murder scene became.  It wouldn't take much, someone falling on him, or even stepping on him, much less the  bullets  flying everywhere. Jemmy could have been dead already when the guard with the baynet flicked him into the truck. The guard may have used  his baynet as a means to pick up and carry the poor dog.


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