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Archduke Johann Baptist of Austria


Anna Plochl, his wife

I think that there is not yet a tread on the counts of Meran, I couldn't find it. If there is I apologise!

I've started with the founder of this family branche, Archduke Johann and his morganatic wife Anna Plochl. 

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Re: Archduke Johann of Austria & Anna Plochl, their family & descendants
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2006, 06:30:27 AM »

Their son Franz.

He was married to Theresia, countess of Lamberg. They had seven children. And they had a lots of descendants!

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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2006, 07:01:56 AM »
Archduke Johann of Austria (January 20, 1782 - May 11, 1859) was the 13th child of Grand Duke Leopold of Tuscany, who later became Leopold II, Holy Roman Emperor.
Johann was born in Florence.
After losing his military ambitions, which had been forced upon him by his brother, Emperor Franz II, as a consequence of the defeat by Napoleon in Tyrol, he turned to Styria. In that duchy, he developed a great interest for nature, technology and agriculture. He collected minerals and was active as an alpinist and hunter. In his early days Archduke Johann and his brother Louis had the habit of travelling to France, where the latter married to Madame de Gueroust.
In the history of Styria, he is remembered as a great modernizer and became an important figure of identification for Styrians. His proximity to the people is given evidence to by his many contacts with the common man, by wearing the local Tracht, the Steireranzug, and by collecting and promoting the material and spiritual culture of the country. In 1829, he married Anna Plochl, the daughter of the postmaster of Aussee, whose descendants were styled the "Counts of Meran".
He was a passionate mountaineer and attempted to be the first to climb the Großvenediger. For that reason, the Erzherzog-Johann-Hütte (Adlersruhe) at the Großglockner, and the Erzherzog-Johann-Kohlröschen (Nigritella archiducis-joannis), an orchid growing on mountain meadows, are named after him.
Proclamation to the German people of July 15, 1848 after provisionally taking central control.
In 1811, he laid the foundation for the Joanneum in Graz, the predecessor of Graz University of Technology. Some other foundations were initiated by him, such as the Styrian State Archive 1817, the Berg- und Hüttenmännische Lehranstalt, which was founded in 1840 in Vordernberg and became the University of Leoben in 1849, the Styrian Society for Agriculture 1819, the Mutual Fire Insurance, the Styrian Building Society, the Landesoberrealschule in 1845 und the Society for Styrian History in 1850.
By acquiring a tin factory in Krems bei Voitsberg and coal mines near Köflach he also became an industrialist.
In 1840, he bought the Stainz dominion, where he was also freely elected as mayor in 1850.
His routing of the Austrian Southern Railway from Vienna to Triest over the Semmering and through the Mura and Mürz valleys to Graz is particularly notable. Even though Johann did not consider himself a liberal, he promoted some liberal ideas. He was often in conflict with the Habsburg court, especially because of his morganatic marriage.
In 1848, the Frankfurt National Assembly appointed him regent of the realm. After the failure of the March Revolution of 1848, he resigned from this office in 1849.
Archduke Johann died in Graz in 1859. He is buried in Schenna near Meran-Merano (South Tyrol).

Thanks to Wikipedia.

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Re: Archduke Johann of Austria & Anna Plochl, their family & descendants
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2006, 01:55:50 AM »
Hello!

Thanks very much for founding this topic, as there wasn´t any thread on the counts of Meran before! Archduke Johann always interested me...I have the book "Der Brandhofer und seine Hausfrau" and it is interesting, as it tells the story of Johann and his wife in many personal documents and letters, parts of Johann´s diary and much more rare texts (sometimes the old lannguage is a bit strange...)There are a lot of interesting images as well...
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Re: Archduke Johann of Austria & Anna Plochl, their family & descendants
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2006, 03:29:19 AM »
Some picture from "Der Brandhofer und seine Hausfrau":

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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2006, 03:33:14 AM »
M. Loder: View over the Brandhof, 1828: Where Johann and Nani lived
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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2006, 03:36:46 AM »


father of Nani, wife of Archduke Johann






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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2006, 05:06:36 AM »
The last picture is from the book, I mentioned, it´s the cover, there the whole story of the two is told and I think it´s very moving..

Here is one more picture from the book:

Nani and her son, she suffered very much, when she gave birth to Franz and feared to die :-\




Yseult, have you read that she was called Nannerl?  in my book is it said she was named Nani. In letters he adressed her like that.
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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2006, 05:15:01 AM »
Wow, great! :)
I haven't seen yet, the images you've posted!
Thanks!

Britt.25, the book "Der Brandhofer und seine Hausfrau" is in German, right? Do you know if it was translated in English or some other language?

Thanks!

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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2006, 06:15:49 AM »
Yes, it is in German, I don´t know, if it is translated in any other languages, I know only the german title, sorry :-[

I ordered it from a bookshop with old books, I think the shop, where I got it from was in Austria, if I remember it correcty.
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Re: Archduke Johann of Austria & Anna Plochl, their family & descendants
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2006, 06:26:19 AM »
Some more descendants of Archduke Johann,


His grandson Johann, son of his son Franz:



 Johann´s son was named Franz again:



For me he looks a bit like Thomans Mann ;D :P ;D

One of the younger members of today, again Franz, born 1964:




Did you know that also the famous Nikolaus Harnoncourt was a desdendant of Archduke Johann?

Here is a picture of him and his brothers together his mother Ladislaja von Meran:



His daughter, the famous Elisabeth Magnus:

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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2006, 07:50:08 AM »
Well, I didn't know nothing about Nikolaus Harnoncourt and his family. :-[
Thanks for posting this photos and infos! I've done a little reserch on internet, so now I know who are they!

It's quite incredible how many persons descend from Franz von Meran and how many life stories are there. Please, tell more!

And a short question, right know, who is the "head" of the family?

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Re: Archduke Johann of Austria & Anna Plochl, their family & descendants
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2006, 01:24:56 PM »
Yes , I think that is right. It must be Count Franz of Meran, who was born in 1964.




Please do also take a look at this website, where there is written the story about his familybackground and heritage, sorry this is a German page  :-\

http://www.schloss.stainz.at/geschichte2.html

Yes, it has always impressed me how many people are related to the Hapsburgs, often people, where you would not have expected this...I did not know the Harnoncourts as well before I read about that family backgound. I am usually not so interested in music, rather in art, so I did not know him as well until I did some research after having read about Johann´s descendance ;)
For me in Countess Ladislaja I can see a bit Nani and in Nikolaus a bit Johann, but maybe I´ve gone too far. ;D

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Re: Archduke Johann of Austria & Anna Plochl, their family & descendants
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2006, 02:06:06 PM »
This is to britt ;)

Yes, britt, I have read somewhere that Johann named her Nannerl.