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Re: World Monuments Fund Report on the Alexander Palace Now Online
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2007, 01:51:48 AM »
 I agree with TheAce1918's viewpoint,with the Centennial of the Russian Revolution in ten years time, the eyes of the world will be on Russia and its rich heritage.This will be a golden opportunity for Putin and his successors to start the ball rolling, perhaps a state lottery.
Also tourists will want see the historical palaces where the Romanovs resided like the Alexander Palace.
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Re: World Monuments Fund Report on the Alexander Palace Now Online
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2007, 04:51:26 AM »
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Go tell THEM.

It is their palace - not ours.   It is their history - not ours.   It is their psychology - not ours.   It is their sensitiviitiies - not ours.

Whenever did the US suffer a holocaust that was... REvolution, World War I (fought on ITS territory), Revolution, Revolution, Civil War, Mass Exodus, Enforced Famine, Socialism-Communism/Police-Military State/World War II (fought on ITS territory), Iron Curtain/Total State Control/State-inflictedMass Murders/Economic Decline/Revolution/Economic Collapse/Extreme Poverty/Inability to feed its Citizens... and all within the space of one century?   

Think about a combination of two or three of these things - do you think they might just have an impact of human psyche?

Many of these self-inflicted wounds are, perhaps, just beginning to heal.   

The Alexander Palace stands as a totem of man's inhumanity to man.   

A large part of me now beleves it should remain as it is.   Secure the structure and let it stand as a constant reminder of what evil was let loose on the land of Russia in 1917.

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Re: World Monuments Fund Report on the Alexander Palace Now Online
« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2007, 10:39:39 AM »
Whenever did the US suffer a holocaust that was... all within the space of one century?   

First off, I am well aware of the atrocities of the Russian imperial government before the revolution.  Secondly, the US has suffered quite a bit in her short history.  Though nothing compared to Europe's tragic blood fetish, but we have indeed experienced horrible moments in a century.

1st) What I personally deem as the origional Holocaust...or as everone else calls: The Plains Wars.  What started off as European imperialism in the 1400s, was carried on by their American counterparts against the Native Americans in the 1800s, and ended in near genocide.  Do the Trail of Tears ring a bell?  Or is that not atrocious enough for your taste?

2nd) Though the number of wars fought on our territory is limited (American Revolution, 1812, Mexican-US war, Civil War, WW2, and now the war on Terrorism (nothing compared to Israel today)) From 1918-1990, the Cold War era, which all the while held the 2nd World War within its time, American blood has been spilled in Europe.  For what cause?  To help our allies against the Axis.  Why?  Because the allies decided to pit entire blame on a heavily militaristic Germany at Versilles, and therefore, ignited the internal flame that became the Nazi party.  The same goes for the cause against the USSR.

3rd) Believe it or not.  At the beginning of our history, there was constant debate on the governing body of the United States.  And if I remember correctly, we were several votes away from having an unstable government off the bat. 

4th) Carrying on from the 3rd topic, the Cold War holds what you state as the periods of 'Iron Curtain', 'Total Control', etc.  Two people come to mind.  J. Edgar Hoover of the FBI, and Sen. Joseph R. McCarthy of Wisconsin.  This was known as the 2nd Red Scare.  It became a decade of paranoia amongst the American populace.  Hoover would tap phone lines and mail addresses on people who (by informant) were said to be communists.  This had led to multiple arrests and would open distrust towards an American government that had become used to abusing its power in the post-1945 world.  How about HUAC (House of Un-American Activities Committee)?  It stems back to the 1930s with a history in Hollywood (The Famous 10), the US government.  And has had several important members and supporters like Richard M. Nixon, and obviously, Joe McCarthy.  I could go on...but you're probably asleep.

5th) Think about the combinations?  Alright.  I suppose that explains why I myself am a pacifist at heart.  Peace and no war.  Love and not hate.  But I suppose coming from you, I'm a mere child with no mental stability to my credit whatsoever.  The human psyche?  Is there such a thing anymore?  With what has happened in the past 100 years, I'm surprised humans have free will anymore at all!  But those who were innocent, are nothing short of saints for what they had to endure. 

My previous post obviously has come off as un-emotional and impatient.  Well, I am sorry about that, 'twas not my intention at all!  I can respect your opinion on leaving the AP alone.  Then I suppose that it would be alright to leave up other places of such torture and horrid recollections to human history?  I am not even going to list them, I've run my mouth enough.

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Re: World Monuments Fund Report on the Alexander Palace Now Online
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2007, 05:34:04 PM »
If keeping or restoring the Alexander Palace is a totem of man's humanity for man, then all the great monuments of all historical periods are. Think about the seven wonders of the world...for example, the pyramids of Egypt; 30 years of backbreaking labor, for one man...who used them for his own glory...

And why then taking care of all the other palaces of the Tsars, or keeping Lenin's memorial (Lenin, who was no better than the Tsars, and perhaps even worse!)for that matter, or (in Germany)keeping the concentration camps erected by the Nazis?

And why then France is restoring and taking care of Versailles, when Louis XIV almost bankrupted his country to build it? The peasants of France were starving at the end of his reign! France assumed their history, good and bad, and uses the building for tourism these days.

Sadly, it seems that some Russians are unable to accept their history, the good bits with the bad, and perhaps the project of restoring the palace reminds them of that fact. But just on the tourism side, it is a good move to restore the palace, because for a lot of people, when you speak of the Tsar of all Russias, the one who comes to mind is Nicholas II. They should not be afraid to build on this, even if it is just on a financial logic.

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Re: World Monuments Fund Report on the Alexander Palace Now Online
« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2007, 05:35:33 PM »
If the Alexander Palace is a totem of man's dishumanity for man, then all the great monuments of all historical periods are. Think about the seven wonders of the world...for example, the pyramids of Egypt; 30 years of backbreaking labor, for one man...who used them for his own glory...

And why then taking care of all the other palaces of the Tsars, or keeping Lenin's memorial (Lenin, who was no better than the Tsars, and perhaps even worse!)for that matter, or (in Germany)keeping the concentration camps erected by the Nazis?

And why then France is restoring and taking care of Versailles, when Louis XIV almost bankrupted his country to build it? The peasants of France were starving at the end of his reign! France assumed their history, good and bad, and uses the building for tourism these days.

Sadly, it seems that some Russians are unable to accept their history, the good bits with the bad, and perhaps the project of restoring the palace reminds them of that fact. But just on the tourism side, it is a good move to restore the palace, because for a lot of people, when you speak of the Tsar of all Russias, the one who comes to mind is Nicholas II. They should not be afraid to build on this, even if it is just on a financial logic.
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Re: World Monuments Fund Report on the Alexander Palace Now Online
« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2007, 04:34:31 AM »
Вроде бы воинская часть уже собирается выезжать из дворца. Кухонный корпус уже освободили. Подземный ход пока нет. ::)
Like the military unit already would be going to leave a palace. The kitchen case have already released. The underground course while is not present. :o
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