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Offline Dmitry Russian

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Re: Napoleon Ier,le Grand Empereur
« Reply #60 on: February 25, 2007, 09:07:11 PM »
I was surprised and shocked that such familiar red stars were in Napoleonic empire. Whereas in the past the red stars associated with communism and the Soviet Union for me, I was very surprised and shocked by the fact that the hated red stars were already in the Napoleonic Empire. >:(
When Napoleon invaded Spain and Sicilian kingdoms and put its relatives in Spanish and Sicilian thrones, the red stars were introduced as a top Royal Orders :(





The same blasphemy! :'(

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« Reply #61 on: February 26, 2007, 03:23:41 AM »
I strange conclusion in my opinion. That you see any similarity to sovietsm here seems to be something very personal....I don´t think that there is any connection, and even if...the communism developed after the napoleonic empire...

Look also at this ;D It represents Napoleon´s family crest:







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« Reply #62 on: February 26, 2007, 06:32:50 AM »
I hate these accursed red stars! They are pentagrammes. They are symbols of diabolical evil, that prevailed in Russia for 75 years, which is the cause of terrible tragedies of Russian people after 1917. Soon it will be 90 years,  when Nikolai Alexandrovich Romanov was forcibly overthrown from the throne by betrayal and treachery and the martyr death from monsters. Red pentagramma were symbols Bolsheviks and the Communists, their hands are in blood. Red Star were symbols of the terrible and bloody crimes Communists to the Russian people and Russian identity. Therefore, I hate red stars. Unfortunately, red stars and satanists pentagramma were highest royal honors during the Napoleonic rule of the invaders in Spain and the Two Sicilies. Ironically, the direct descendants of the French King Louis XIV is the most close relatives to the French royal family, has suffered penalty of King Louis XVI and his Austrian wife and massacre their son and heir. What a pity it is that the Spanish and Sicilian Bourbons were toppled napoleonic invaders led by the who took French throne following the destruction of the French royal family. Napoleon was not loved and hated Spanish and Sicilian kings and members of their families ...  :'(
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« Reply #63 on: February 26, 2007, 08:32:58 AM »
It´s everything very personal what you are saying. You can´t blame Napoleon for the things that happened in Russia, even if you personally see the connections- I don´t see it. Also the fact that Napoleon invaded in Spain and things like that have nothing to do with the communistic background of your country. And: Always repeating not to like the napoleonic empire it will not change anything about the things that happened in the past in France. The napoleonic Empire existed- you can like it or dislike it. It´s one´s personal opinion, it´s no basis for an objective discussion, that is still my opinion.
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« Reply #64 on: February 26, 2007, 10:33:27 AM »
Actually I believe that the Spanish Bourbons allied themselves to Napoleon and his France. At the battle fo Trafalgar it was the British against the Spanish and French fleets. So, I don't think Napoleon had anything against the family. It wasn't until the heir, Ferdinand, and his father and mother, along with Godoy began fighting with one another that Napoleon decided to intervene.

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« Reply #65 on: February 26, 2007, 07:22:21 PM »
Here Napoleon sits on a chair before great Moscow fight. It in gloomy mood, because it did not sleep almost all the night long, as it suffered from an attack of a gastric poisoning (can be, because of arsenic? ;)).

Here Napoleon waits delegation of the Moscow boyars which should present emperor keys from Moscow gate. But it vainly waits for them because almost all inhabitants of Moscow have left Russian capital. Muscovites have not wanted to remain in napoleonic occupation.

One of numerous certificates of vandalism from French  soldier. They have organized a dirty stable in an orthodox temple which is the greatest relic for Russian people.  :'(

Here Napoleon looks at the Moscow fire.

Here unfortunate and distressful Moscow has burned down completely... :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Vainly Napoleon waits for ambassadors from Russian tsar Alexander. Russian tsar does not want any world with Napoleon. Russian tsar wants only one: that Napoleon has left Russia  ::)

Napoleon and its soldiers go on road. Here Napoleon ahead of the the soldier. As it is a pity, that they have not guessed to invent skis...  ;D ;D ;D

Unfortunate French soldiers perish from Russian winter and frosts  :'( :'( :'( :'(

And here it is my most favourite portrait of Napoleon.  :) ;) :D ;D :P


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« Reply #66 on: February 27, 2007, 02:10:57 AM »
The pics are interesting, have you been occupied with the napoleonic war concerning Russia? Are there memorial tables in your county? Would be interesting to know!
And to the last picture: Oh, very funny, but are you sure this is Napoléon???? Is it him in a Russian dress or was it a joke? ;D
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« Reply #67 on: February 27, 2007, 04:05:54 PM »
He is really Napoleon in Russian winter clothes. It is dressed in a warm seignioral fur coat and a fur cap because to it it is very cold. But to it it is very bad. He leaves Russia, but he does not know, that soon he will lose for battle at Leipzig that is fast its opponents will appear in Paris and will force it to refuse a throne that is fast it will be separated from the Austrian wife and the Eaglet. He does not know, that it will be banished on a rock somewhere in Atlantic ocean where he will die from arsenic poisonings or of a cancer of a stomach. He yet does not know, that its son will never reign and will die absolutely young of a tuberculosis. He still also will not know, that from its family only descendants of its younger brother Jerome will be its successors and to have Bourbon blood. Its end once nice career is well, those...
Dear Britta, by the way, what Russian national proverb speaks? It speaks, that it is better to hold a titmouse in a hand, than to pursue a crane in the sky...
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« Reply #68 on: February 28, 2007, 06:42:29 AM »
I have never seen that last picture of Napoleon in a Russian Winterdress. It seems very usual, and because of that even more interesting and funny! ;) But I still have doubts that the pic shows our dearest Nappi  ::) The slight full beard is also very untypical for a Napoleon :o :o But maybe he carried it temporarily during his Russian campagn. Do you have any source, where this picture comes from ? I seem to remember that I have seen that site before, where this paintings are taken from, there are many great pictures of Napoleon and his battles, but at the moment I can´t remember it...
Yes, sometimes it´s better, if people don´t know about their coming future. The history has proved that almost all people, who went too far in their political career and were too radical or dictatoric will end somewhere in a tragic way (Exile, murder, suicide or execution), but despite of that such people existed, and now you can´t help in anymore, if you don´t like different aspects of their career, BUT: compared with later one´s of that "sort" Napoleon once had some good aims at the beginning, but then went too far, when his star ascended...
As to the arsenic thing, it is unlikely that he died of that, even when it was stated not only once, but especially the latest article (the link was also posted here) says that an ulcer, which became cancer later, was the main reason for his death. The ulcer was not caused by arsenic poisoning!
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Re: Napoleon Ier,le Grand Empereur
« Reply #69 on: March 12, 2007, 01:34:53 AM »
Somebody from you read these books?  ???




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« Reply #70 on: March 12, 2007, 03:57:03 AM »
I haven´t read the books that you posted the covers of, but the authour Claude Ribbe is known to me. All these books seem be to contra - books on Napoleon (could it be different, Dmitry? ;D).
There was an article on Claude Ribbe´s most recent book on Napoleon in the newspaper some time ago. His new book raised a lot of hot discussion (it had appeared just shortly before Napoleon´s 200 th crowing anniversary in 2006) and discussed parallels of Napoleon and Hitler (as far as I can remember it). There was something about the question, if Napoleon was a predecessor and an example for Hitler, and if the murderings of Napoleon could stand in any connection with that Hitler, and if Napoleon was already a rascist as well.  But there were a lot of doubts of such a connection, because Napoleon murdered out of different reasons. Most historians don´t share Ribbe´s views as far as I know. At the moment I don´t know, where this article is, but I kept it, and if I find it, I can give further details. Unfortunately I haven´t read the book itself, but only the article about that. But in general all that black and white thinking (only looking for the good or - like in your case- only looking for the bad) concerning the emperor is wrong in my opinion.
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« Reply #71 on: March 13, 2007, 04:17:37 AM »
Memoirs of Napoléon Bonaparte by Louis Antoine Fauvelet de Bourrienne,private secretary to HM The Emperor.

http://www.globusz.com/ebooks/Napoleon10/index.htm

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« Reply #72 on: March 13, 2007, 05:37:23 AM »
Oh, thanks for that link!!!

That looks interesting, and it´s in English, that´s good!  :D

So I´ll have a lot to read, when more time ;D

Have you read it, Lucien? Does it give new details?
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« Reply #74 on: March 19, 2007, 10:54:24 AM »
Wonderful and interesting site about Josephine. Thanks!!! ;) I never saw that before!
And the jewels are very beautiful as well. Who do they belong to in these days? To the swedish royal family? They really look phatastic!
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