The Gleichens

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grandduchessella:
This couple came up on the Royal Interiors thread:

Quote from: Leuchtenberg on November 01, 2006, 07:42:22 PM

Quote from: Eric_Lowe on November 01, 2006, 07:07:27 PM

Thanks...But who is Princess Victor ? do you mean Princess Victoria ("Toria") ?  ???


No.  Princess Victor was married to Queen Victoria's nephew Victor von Hohenlohe-Langenburg.  She was was born Laura Seymour, an Englishwoman.  It caused a scandal in Germany because the marriage was morganatic.  She was created Countess Gleichen and Victor used the title of Count Gleichen. The couple resided in England and he served in the British navy.  He resumed using the title of Prince in 1885. And in Britain, due to the favour of Queen Victoria, his wife was recognized as Princess.  In Germany she remained Countess Gleichen, however.

After Victor's death, Queen Victoria granted his widow rooms at St. James'. 


Quote from: Eric_Lowe on November 01, 2006, 08:05:36 PM

Thanks for the info...I knew something about that in QV's letters but didn't know that she lived in St.James. thought Kensinston Palace was more a grace & favour residence ?  ??? Would really want to know about this interesting couple.  ;)


Quote from: grandduchessella on November 01, 2006, 09:42:57 PM

Just as a side note, not to get off-topic, but it was after attending Victor's funeral in Dec 1891 (in the cold rain, hatless) that Eddy became ill.


Like Eric, I would be interested in learning more about this couple. They appeared countless times in the Court Circulars over the decades and were close to their British relatives, as were their children. While the marriage was considered morganatic on the Continent, QV extended every courtesy and often referred to her niece-by-marriage as 'Princess Victor'.  I think the rank change came after the 1917 renunciations.

Viktor Ferdinand Franz Eugen Gustav Adolf Constantin Friedrich (1833-1891); m.1861 Laura Wilhelmina Seymour, cr Countess Gleichen 1861 (1833-1912)

Feodora, later known as Lady Feodora Gleichen (1861-1922)

Albert Edward Wilfred, later known as Lord Edward Gleichen (1863- 1937); m.1910 Sylvia Gay Edwardes

Victoria (Valda), later known as Lady Valda Machell (1868-1951); m.1905 Percy Wilfred Machell (KIA France 1916) [she's the only one who seems to have had a child (one) but I don't know if that child left descendants] 

Helena, later known as Lady Helena Gleichen (1873-1947)

Laura Seymour was the daughter of Admiral Sir George Francis Seymour and Georgiana Mary Berkeley. Victor had served with Admiral Seymour.  On Dec. 15, 1885 the Times announced that "we are requested to announce that Count and Countess Gleichen, by gracious permission of the Queen, have resumed the name and title of Serene Highnesses Prince and Princess Victor of Hohenlohe Langenburg, and that their children will retain their present name and title of Counts and Countesses of Gleichen." By warrant of June 11, 1913 Count Edward Gleichen was given precedence "next to and immediately before marquesses of England", his wife before marchionesses of England, and his sisters were given precedence "next to and immediately before the daughters of Dukes of England". 

grandduchessella:
Victor's older brother was Hermann who married Leopoldine of Baden. Their son, Ernst, married Affie's daughter Alexandra. Their son, Gottfried, married Margarita of Greece (Victoria Milford Haven's granddaughter), so the family remained closely tied to the British royals. 

One of Victor's sisters was Adelheid (1835-1900); who married Friedrich, Duke of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Augustenburg in 1856. They were Dona's parents.


grandduchessella:
Prince Victor entered the Royal Navy and had a distinguished career, even being recommended for the Victoria Cross, but had to retire, due to ill-health, on half-pay in 1866. He was appointed Governor and Constable of Windsor Castle. In 1887 he was given the rank of admiral on the retired list. He, like his cousin Louise, was a sculptor and studied under Theed, even establishing a studio near his apartment in St James's Palace. He sculpted this large statue of King Alfred at Wantage.

http://www.icknieldwaymorrismen.org.uk/Assets/The%20Vale/Alfred2a.jpg

He also did this statue:

http://www.victorianweb.org/sculpture/gleichen/2.jpg

Thomas and Jane Holloway at Royal Holloway College, University of London

Count Gleichen as seen by Vanity Fair:

http://www.antiquemapsandprints.com/p-15151.jpg

Here is a page with 2 photos and information on his son, Edward:

http://lafayette.150m.com/gle3941a.html

His daughter, Feodora, would also share his interest in sculpture and maintain his studio at St James's. Here she associated with leading artists like Sir George Frampton, sculptor of the statue of Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens. She was the first member of the Royal Society of British Sculptors. Her statue of Florence Nightingale, unveiled in 1914, is located on London road in front of The Derby Royal Infirmary.

http://www.derby.gov.uk/Environment/PublicArt/MaintenanceofPublicArt-CleaningFlorence.htm

Some bronze work she did is here:

http://www.artgallery.nsw.gov.au/aboutus/faq/building_history/bronze_relief_panels

Vada, was also artistically inclined. She wrote at least one article on singing and singers for Girl's Own Paper.

Eric_Lowe:
Thanks for the info...I wonder what Dona thought about her morganetic cousins in England ?  ;)

Marlene:


ella,  I have long standing plans to do an article on the Gleichens as I have so much information on the family - as well as Edward's and Helena's memoirs.  Valda's son died unmarried and without issue.

Quote from: grandduchessella on November 01, 2006, 09:52:16 PM

This couple came up on the Royal Interiors thread:

Quote from: Leuchtenberg on November 01, 2006, 07:42:22 PM

Quote from: Eric_Lowe on November 01, 2006, 07:07:27 PM

Thanks...But who is Princess Victor ? do you mean Princess Victoria ("Toria") ?  ???


No.  Princess Victor was married to Queen Victoria's nephew Victor von Hohenlohe-Langenburg.  She was was born Laura Seymour, an Englishwoman.  It caused a scandal in Germany because the marriage was morganatic.  She was created Countess Gleichen and Victor used the title of Count Gleichen. The couple resided in England and he served in the British navy.  He resumed using the title of Prince in 1885. And in Britain, due to the favour of Queen Victoria, his wife was recognized as Princess.  In Germany she remained Countess Gleichen, however.

After Victor's death, Queen Victoria granted his widow rooms at St. James'. 


Quote from: Eric_Lowe on November 01, 2006, 08:05:36 PM

Thanks for the info...I knew something about that in QV's letters but didn't know that she lived in St.James. thought Kensinston Palace was more a grace & favour residence ?  ??? Would really want to know about this interesting couple.  ;)


Quote from: grandduchessella on November 01, 2006, 09:42:57 PM

Just as a side note, not to get off-topic, but it was after attending Victor's funeral in Dec 1891 (in the cold rain, hatless) that Eddy became ill.


Like Eric, I would be interested in learning more about this couple. They appeared countless times in the Court Circulars over the decades and were close to their British relatives, as were their children. While the marriage was considered morganatic on the Continent, QV extended every courtesy and often referred to her niece-by-marriage as 'Princess Victor'.  I think the rank change came after the 1917 renunciations.

Viktor Ferdinand Franz Eugen Gustav Adolf Constantin Friedrich (1833-1891); m.1861 Laura Wilhelmina Seymour, cr Countess Gleichen 1861 (1833-1912)

Feodora, later known as Lady Feodora Gleichen (1861-1922)

Albert Edward Wilfred, later known as Lord Edward Gleichen (1863- 1937); m.1910 Sylvia Gay Edwardes

Victoria (Valda), later known as Lady Valda Machell (1868-1951); m.1905 Percy Wilfred Machell (KIA France 1916) [she's the only one who seems to have had a child (one) but I don't know if that child left descendants] 

Helena, later known as Lady Helena Gleichen (1873-1947)

Laura Seymour was the daughter of Admiral Sir George Francis Seymour and Georgiana Mary Berkeley. Victor had served with Admiral Seymour.  On Dec. 15, 1885 the Times announced that "we are requested to announce that Count and Countess Gleichen, by gracious permission of the Queen, have resumed the name and title of Serene Highnesses Prince and Princess Victor of Hohenlohe Langenburg, and that their children will retain their present name and title of Counts and Countesses of Gleichen." By warrant of June 11, 1913 Count Edward Gleichen was given precedence "next to and immediately before marquesses of England", his wife before marchionesses of England, and his sisters were given precedence "next to and immediately before the daughters of Dukes of England". 


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