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Re: Grand Duke Konstantin Pavlovich
« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2009, 12:55:19 AM »
they had their ups and downs but all in all they had a pretty happy life. constantine pavlovich renounced his rights to the throne - that does mean someting! does anyone know a couple that leads a perfectly smooth life?

There were more reasons for Konstantin to renounce his rights to the throne. He just did want to reign in any case and he said about that not once. Ioanna was an extra reason for it.


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Re: Grand Duke Konstantin Pavlovich
« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2009, 04:38:20 AM »
they had their ups and downs but all in all they had a pretty happy life. constantine pavlovich renounced his rights to the throne - that does mean someting! does anyone know a couple that leads a perfectly smooth life?

There were more reasons for Konstantin to renounce his rights to the throne. He just did want to reign in any case and he said about that not once. Ioanna was an extra reason for it.



they say that he became frightened of the imperial crown on the night of the murder of his father. on that day he saw with his own eyes what dreadful consequences imperial power could have and that longing for power could induce people to commit a crime. the crown meant power & privileges but also constant threat

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Re: Grand Duke Konstantin Pavlovich
« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2009, 05:13:00 AM »
they had their ups and downs but all in all they had a pretty happy life. constantine pavlovich renounced his rights to the throne - that does mean someting! does anyone know a couple that leads a perfectly smooth life?

There were more reasons for Konstantin to renounce his rights to the throne. He just did want to reign in any case and he said about that not once. Ioanna was an extra reason for it.



Whoops..I meant he DID not want to reign : ) of course.

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Re: Grand Duke Konstantin Pavlovich
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2009, 02:31:30 PM »
Portraits of GD Konstantin Pavlovich





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Re: Grand Duke Konstantin Pavlovich
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2010, 02:11:52 PM »
a few portraits of the joanna grudzinska, princess lovich,morganatic wife of grand duke konstantin pavlovich - from the national digital archive in poland





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Re: Grand Duke Konstantin Pavlovich
« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2010, 10:24:13 AM »
I'm having difficulty trying to establish the date of the second marriage of Tsar Paul's son, Constantine, to Princess Joanna Grudzinska.  Sources have given me 27th May or 8th July (both N.S.) 1820.  Can anyone supply me with a definitive date (O.s. or N.S.) and source for it?  I'd be very grateful.

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Re: Grand Duke Konstantin Pavlovich
« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2010, 01:55:33 AM »
The marriage took place on  May 27. July 8 Joanna was granted the title of Princess Lovitch. I think it's the reason of mixing up dates.

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Re: Grand Duke Konstantin Pavlovich
« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2010, 12:25:41 PM »
Many thanks Svetabel.  That would make sense.  Can you tell me your source for the 27th May?  The third date I came across - 24th May N.S. / 12th May O.S. - I found in von Korff, Modest A, The accession of Nicholas I, London: John Murray. (Russian 1857 edition) which was commissioned by Tsar Nicholas himself so its provenance is fairly sound.  Sorry to sound disbelieving but I need to be exactly sure of the date.

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Re: Grand Duke Konstantin Pavlovich
« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2010, 01:21:16 AM »
The dates are from a Russian bio on GDss Anna Fedorovna, published in 2005 in the almanach about German Princesses married to Russian Grand Dukes.

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« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2010, 07:12:48 AM »
Svetabel - can you supply me with the name of the author and title - I'll check with him/her direct the source used.  24th May comes not only from the official 1856 source but is reproduced by Seton-Watson.  I've only come across the 27th date on the web so far - and that's just far too unreliable (for example, the opening message in this post contains just a resume from the wikipedia entry and that contains lots of errors).  If you've found the 27th in another printed source then I need to check out its reliability.  Very many thanks for your help.

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« Reply #25 on: September 10, 2010, 07:20:10 AM »
I also now have 24th May from C. Arnold McNaughton, The Book of Kings: A Royal Genealogy, in 3 volumes (London, U.K.: Garnstone Press, 1973), volume 1, page 295.

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Re: Grand Duke Konstantin Pavlovich
« Reply #26 on: September 11, 2010, 10:49:13 AM »
Now I am confused myself with all the sources I've tried to search...July 8 is definitely the date of granting to Joanna the title of Princess Lovitch. But marriage date......The old style is 12 May as I've seen in 2 articles. But New style is from 24 to 27 MAy..It can be so possibly as different people count days from Olda to New Styles differently.
I'll keep on looking through sourcse and after that give them to you.

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Re: Grand Duke Konstantin Pavlovich
« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2010, 10:47:21 AM »
Thanks again.  If the O.S. date is 12th May then the N.S. date is 24th May and the date of the marriage in the West.  In the C19 the difference between the two calendars was 12 days.

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Re: Grand Duke Konstantin Pavlovich
« Reply #28 on: October 05, 2010, 02:39:52 AM »
The reliable source on the date - 24 May - is magazine "Russkaya Starina", the article by P.P.Isaevitch, of the 1889 year.

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Re: Grand Duke Konstantin Pavlovich
« Reply #29 on: October 16, 2010, 10:58:37 AM »