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Re: Was Prince Felix a closeted gay man?
« Reply #75 on: April 27, 2005, 03:50:30 PM »
Because it worked  ;)

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Re: Was Prince Felix a closeted gay man?
« Reply #76 on: April 27, 2005, 05:12:47 PM »
I guess because that was what  pumped his tires.... Obviously he kept doing it because he found something he liked about it... I just wish I could come  across one (or ALL) of his diaries...but maybe the world is not ready yet for them...

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Re: Was Prince Felix a closeted gay man?
« Reply #77 on: May 09, 2005, 07:53:02 PM »
There is an interesting mention of this subject in Alexander Vassiliev’s book “Beauty in exile” (Harry N.Abrams, 2000). Baroness Anastasia von Nolken, formerly a well-known Parisian model, recalls working at Yusoupoff fashion house Irfe: “Felix Yousoupoff was a very eccentric man… His house was reminiscent of an Eastern palace: all the fitting rooms were lined in grey velvet, as if they were in Turkey. Felix himself received clients in a turban and Eastern robe, looking like a khan with his favorite bulldog. His spouse, on the contrary, was very modest and didn’t like us, the models, to curtsey when we met. Apparently because of his eccentricity, Felix was not averse to trying on one dresses or another to show everyone how it should be worn .” (p.282)

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Re: Was Prince Felix a closeted gay man?
« Reply #78 on: May 10, 2005, 09:49:37 AM »
Thank you for sharing.

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Re: Was Prince Felix a closeted gay man?
« Reply #79 on: August 04, 2005, 07:37:42 AM »
Hi

I worked with a gentleman years ago who had met Felix at a lunch as a child when my friend was staying with his grandmother in Paris.  He said that Felix was very old, extremely effeminate and wore far too much badly applied makeup.  

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Re: Was Prince Felix a closeted gay man?
« Reply #80 on: October 27, 2005, 10:56:24 AM »
Fascinating thread, I have read every post and now I will post my own opionion. I have always believed that, from everything I read that he was gay, in the sense of being attracted too, and having affairs with men. But he was bisexual too, as he was married, had one child, and more than likely had affairs with women too. I think he liked to experment sexually. That was common in his day and age. Edna St. Vicent Millay, the 2oth Century American poet, was oriented towards men, but had flings with women too, when she was young, in her college days. No one has ever called her lesbian. The correct term is bisexual, at least to me. I think Felix was pretty serious about being gay though. As for being closeted, well I think many in Russian society knew of his inclinations.

He was techincally a murderer, because he killed someone. The murder of Raspution needed to be accomplished, no doubt, if not in the way it was done. I think whether he would have gotten away with it depends on what society you are talking about, and in what sense. He might of, but is useless to speculate whether he would have gotten away with it in modern times.

I think people back then did know what streight and gay was, if not in our modern terms. I doubt they knew what bisexual was. I Judge this is the correct term to define Felix. I don't think we should judge people in history unless they were really bad, like Rasputin, or Hitler, etc. I think Felix was a huge character, someone who can interest us today, and be a relevant topic of debate. Whether good, or bad I don't know. The child of money, and blue blood, blessed with a fascinating personality and great looks, I don't think it is our place to judge him.

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Re: Was Prince Felix a closeted gay man?
« Reply #81 on: October 27, 2005, 11:59:42 AM »
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 I don't think we should judge people in history unless they were really bad, like Rasputin, or Hitler, etc.  


Hitler... I AGREE.... But What did Rasputin did specifically to be considered BAD??..

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Re: Was Prince Felix a closeted gay man?
« Reply #82 on: October 28, 2005, 04:54:07 AM »
Hey, i didn't know Felix liked Marie Antoinette!! Did he have any thing that belonged to her?? With his money i would be suprised if he didn't.

Any fellow fan of Marie Antoinette immediately goes up in my estimations  ;D

For the record, back in Felixs days it was called having "Turkish tastes" if you liked men.  ;D
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Re: Was Prince Felix a closeted gay man?
« Reply #83 on: October 28, 2005, 09:00:29 AM »
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Hitler... I AGREE.... But What did Rasputin did specifically to be considered BAD??..



If you really think about it - he didn't. To compare him to Hitler is unreasonable. Hitler was a racist megalomaniacal mass murderer (among other  things). Rasputin was just an alcoholic Russian peasant who happened to have strong powers of suggestion and considerable charisma, and who probably meant well most of the time... He was just at the right place at the wrong time and if it weren't for Alexei's hemophilia and Rasputin's ability to somehow resolve (or seem to resolve) his medical issues, the world would have never even heard the name Rasputin... I think that Felix and perhaps others had made him out to be a lot more "evil" than he really was, to justify the fact that they murdered him.  

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Re: Was Prince Felix a closeted gay man?
« Reply #84 on: October 28, 2005, 09:02:27 AM »
To get back to the original topic: Felix was not in any way "closeted", he was pretty open about his homosexuality/bisexuality, and talked about it in his memoirs among other places.

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Re: Was Prince Felix a closeted gay man?
« Reply #85 on: October 28, 2005, 10:17:19 AM »
Right, Rasputin was not half as bad as Hitler, I don't think either of them are role models, though. I should have said ''Hitler and.... some other dictator''. That would have been much better. I was in a hurry.  ;)

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Re: Was Prince Felix a closeted gay man?
« Reply #86 on: October 28, 2005, 11:22:57 AM »
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Hey, i didn't know Felix liked Marie Antoinette!! Did he have any thing that belonged to her?? With his money i would be suprised if he didn't.

Any fellow fan of Marie Antoinette immediately goes up in my estimations  ;D

For the record, back in Felixs days it was called having "Turkish tastes" if you liked men.  ;D

The Youssoupoff collection boasted a number of objects that had belonged to the ill fated french Queen.Apart from furniture & ceramic's the most famous item was the huge pearshaped diamond earrings that Princess Tatania Y nee Engelhardt bought from Madame Royale. These were taken abroad in 1919,sold in the 1920's and are now in the Smithsonian in Washington DC, the gift of Eleanor Close Barzin, daughter of Marjorie Merrieweather Post who also owned the Faberge "Youssoupoff box".

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Re: Was Prince Felix a closeted gay man?
« Reply #87 on: October 28, 2005, 12:06:44 PM »
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Re: Was Prince Felix a closeted gay man?
« Reply #88 on: October 28, 2005, 01:48:33 PM »
Didn't Irina, Felix's wife, wear Marie Antoinette's lace veil at her own wedding to Felix?

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Re: Was Prince Felix a closeted gay man?
« Reply #89 on: October 28, 2005, 01:52:52 PM »
This is somewhat off topic, but it seems that Alexandra was a big fan of Marie Antoinette too, in fact she often identified with her. This tapestry of MA and her children used to hang on the wall of one of the halls at the Alexander Palace, and still is there...   http://www.gonewark.com/atPlay/Images/stories/AtPlay_InStory1MarieAntoine.jpg