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Re: Queen Carolina Matilda, tragic destiny
« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2006, 02:17:31 PM »
Yes, Caroline Mathilde did have a pleasant, albeit short life in Celle. She had a small court and her old Mistress of the Robes, Plessen also lived in the city. But of course she missed her children, and she did have plans of her returning to Denmark (in a letter to George III she called it "this scheme for my Sons happiness").

Struensee was a man with many great ideas for the country, and his reforms were very much inspired by the Enlightenment, but gained him many enemies.
His relationship with Caroline Mathilde seems on some level to have been a true love relationship, but of course he was not blind to the possibilities that it meant.



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Re: Queen Carolina Matilda, tragic destiny
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2006, 04:57:27 PM »
Kmerov...what a beautiful portrait of Carolina! Here, she reminds me a lot her mother, Augusta ;)

I really wish to know more about the relationship between Carolina and her husband, and between Carolina and her lover...

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Re: Queen Carolina Matilda, tragic destiny
« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2007, 07:42:40 AM »
If you want to know more about Caroline Matilda and her relationships, then a good book to read is "George III and his troublesome siblings" by Stella Tillyard. It gives a good account of CM's life.  It was published last year.  Another good book is "Caroline Matilda: Queen of Denmark" by Hester Chapman.  It was published about thirty years ago so it's hard to find a copy.

I'd always felt that it was particularly harsh that CM wasn't allowed to return to England after leaving Denmark (I think that initially George III wanted her to come home but his wife, Queen Charlotte didn't want to have a "fallen woman" corrupting her daughters and insisted that she be sent to Celle instead).  However, Stella Tillyard suggests that CM herself wasn't that bothered.  CM had a lot of her mother's toughness and sense of realism, that she had come to view Denmark as her only home, and that her sole aim was to return there to reclaim both her children and her position.


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Re: Queen Carolina Matilda, tragic destiny
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2007, 04:23:03 PM »
Kmerov...what a beautiful portrait of Carolina! Here, she reminds me a lot her mother, Augusta ;)

I really wish to know more about the relationship between Carolina and her husband, and between Carolina and her lover...

Yseult,I would suggest you read Per Olov Enquist's "The physician's visit".Original title "Livläkarens Besök",ISBN 90 263 1651 8,Norsteds Förlag,Stockholm.

Louise Augusta was CM's and Struensee's daughter,she eventually married Christian av Augustenburg,had three children,among them daughter Caroline Amalie who married the Danish Crown Prince Christian Frederik in 1815,CM's and Christian's grandson.
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Re: Queen Carolina Matilda, tragic destiny
« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2007, 04:33:01 AM »
I think Caroline Mathilde is due for a new book now.  ;)

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Re: Queen Carolina Matilda, tragic destiny
« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2007, 04:46:21 AM »
Yeahhh if you buy the story "The physician's visit" well then that´s up to you. But, yes Eric, there ought to be written a new book on her and her husband The King, and all the scemes she put on and all the lovers she had and who had her and used her too. The whole period reaks of dishonnesti.
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Re: Queen Carolina Matilda, tragic destiny
« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2007, 05:28:04 AM »
Indeed !  I read "Sex with the Queen" and it gave a matter of fact run-down of what happened. Wetted people's appitite for more.  ;)

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Re: Queen Carolina Matilda, tragic destiny
« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2007, 12:16:05 PM »
I read "Sex with the Queen" too.  Very enjoyable!  Particularly enjoyed the chapter on the Russian Empresses but the Caroline Matilda part was good too.

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Re: Queen Carolina Matilda, tragic destiny
« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2007, 08:15:41 PM »
Yes...It was an eye-opener to me that she was still popular among the common people. Had she the stemina of a Marie Carolina of Naples or Mary Stuart of Holland, she could have retained her position (as her husband never really abandoned her). Yet when her lover was gone, she lost all interest to fight. A lost opportunity... :(

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Re: Queen Carolina Matilda, tragic destiny
« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2007, 12:41:13 PM »
The really sad thing is that had she lived a little longer she probably would have made it back to Denmark.  There was a movement building up on her death calling for her return.  Also, when her son was sixteen and became regent, had she still been alive I expect the first thing he would have done would be to invite her back.

I agree that Maria Carolina of Naples was a tough lady, but who did you mean when you mentioned Mary Stuart of Holland?  Was it Mary of "William and Mary" fame?

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Re: Queen Carolina Matilda, tragic destiny
« Reply #25 on: August 17, 2007, 11:06:05 PM »
No I mean William's mother Mary Stuart (daughter of Heneritta Maria & Charles I). After her husband died, she fought her mother-in-law and retained a 50% right to her son's developement. It was only her early death that robbed William of his mother's influence.  :o

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« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2013, 11:45:03 AM »
My take on Royal Marriage at the time of "A Royal Affair"

http://www.royalhistorian.com/royal-marriage-at-the-time-of-a-royal-affair/

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Re: Queen Carolina Matilda, tragic destiny
« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2013, 02:17:29 PM »
Nicely put. However Caroline Mathilda wasn't a political animal like Catherine The Great. She had a love affair with political ramifications and that is why she was punished. Had she concentrate of the affair and let the politics go, she might be able to weather the storm like Marie Antoinette.