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Offline Lemur

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Question and survey about claimants
« on: November 13, 2006, 03:22:26 PM »
I was wondering, do those of you who support the claimants each have your own pet claimant (like Kendrick and Tammet, Bigbee and AA) or do you all just believe that SOMEONE got away but you're not sure who? Or do you just like exploring the possibilty that each one may have got away, but you still believe that there was a survivor? And for those of you who say you don't believe in any claimant how come you keep on supporting them? So if you will admit to it, please post which person you think got away, if you think it was Tatiana, Marie, Anastasia or Alexei, and why. Thank you.

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Re: Question and survey about claimants
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2006, 09:39:37 AM »
So, may I assume from the lack of response that no one here is willing to admit to supporting a claimaint?

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Re: Question and survey about claimants
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2006, 05:25:15 PM »
Well, my final position on claimants is that none of them were the real Romanovs, etc. I think most people would agree with me, and even if they didn't would tend to back off supporting one or the other. It is just controversial, and would probably make you look stupid, so even if someone would support a claimant, then I don't think they would admit to it, although I am not saying anone believes in claimants, it is all theoritical, etc.

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Re: Question and survey about claimants
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2006, 03:21:31 PM »
After following the Mr. Tammet thread, I started thinking of all the people who have come out and tried to say that they are the real Tatiana. Maria, Olga , Anastasia, Alexei.  With that said. How many of them have actually offered up any Proof? I think we all know the answer to that its none. For they cannot offer any proof other than words. The whole notion that anyone survived the slaughter of that awful night is simply ridiculous.

When the smoked cleared in that room, and the killers then carried  out the bodies each and every one of them were gone. Let us say for debate reason only that one of them happened to have a heart beat. There is no way that anyone could have lasted longer than an hour, let alone have the strength to escape.

The whole idea that one or two of them made it out alive would be so remote. And if someone had claimed that they did. Then where ahs the proof been? Anyone can say Im the real so and so, because it is what it is, only words. None of the claimants never ever offered up any solid proof to back there word up.

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Re: Question and survey about claimants
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2006, 07:28:51 PM »
Well, I think some tried to offer proof, but then, it was disaproved, so it was no proof. Anna Anderson certainly tried to prove this or that, and so did others. Some had only their word, others said they had certain information, and still others said they had certain memories or this or that physical feature that might have proved their claim. I suppose that could be called proof, but it never stood up to being tested, so it really wasn't that much proof then.  ;)

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Re: Question and survey about claimants
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2006, 02:13:03 PM »
Well, I think some tried to offer proof, but then, it was disaproved, so it was no proof. Anna Anderson certainly tried to prove this or that, and so did others. Some had only their word, others said they had certain information, and still others said they had certain memories or this or that physical feature that might have proved their claim. I suppose that could be called proof, but it never stood up to being tested, so it really wasn't that much proof then.  ;)

What would be happen, if somebody went for DNA test and the test would prove that the person is relative to the IF ?
 
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Re: Question and survey about claimants
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2006, 01:14:32 PM »
Since the Imperial Family no longer has any legal standing, a person obtaining proof they are related would also have no legal bearing. There would doubtless be some interest from the media.

In terms of proof, during much of the time from the murders until the discovery of the 9 bodies grave, DNA testing for identity was not available. Since it now is, no one coming forward as a claimant who could not prove a DNA match could present convincing proof.

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Re: Question and survey about claimants
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2006, 04:00:44 PM »
I suppose a lot of you are tired about the AAs case, but I wish to put a question...Of course, Im sure AA was not AN, but I have the feeling she was neither FS. And, trying to keep an open mind about this riddle, I was wondering: If AA was not FS, who could have been really AA?

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Re: Question and survey about claimants
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2006, 04:52:16 PM »
She was FS.

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Re: Question and survey about claimants
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2006, 08:17:21 PM »
I suppose a lot of you are tired about the AAs case, but I wish to put a question...Of course, Im sure AA was not AN, but I have the feeling she was neither FS. And, trying to keep an open mind about this riddle, I was wondering: If AA was not FS, who could have been really AA?

 ???

Hi Yseult!

The Duke of Leuchtenberg once said that he didn't know who AA was, but that she was definitely from his own small circle of society.  This is something which has stuck with me -- and which has been echoed by others who met AA, like Princess Nina Georgievna who strongly maintained that whoever she was, she was no "factory worker."  So -- with this sentiment to guide me, I compiled a list of young women of Russian nobility who disappeared during the Revolution and Civil War; there was a surprising number of them -- nineteen, if memory serves (though there are probably more, as my search was out of curiosity alone, and was not therefore comprehensive).  I suppose that if you didn't believe that AA was AN, and you didn't believe that AA was FS, then you might well find a reasonable candidate among these girls. 

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Re: Question and survey about claimants
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2006, 09:35:22 PM »
From what I've seen of her on tape, she certainly wasn't regal in her speech and manner...

On this matter, I defer to the Duke of Leuchtenberg, Princess Nina, Princess Xenia etc., who were there and who had "specialist" knowledge of the situation.
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Re: Question and survey about claimants
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2006, 09:39:36 PM »
Also don't forget, her family said she (FS) had always wanted to become a famous actress. And so she did ;)

Probably a lot of people thought they saw something in her that really wasn't there, because they wanted to so badly.

And what a performance it was!

Except that the final inglorious act was revealed after the adulation died down.

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Re: Question and survey about claimants
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2006, 05:52:33 AM »
I suppose a lot of you are tired about the AAs case, but I wish to put a question...Of course, Im sure AA was not AN, but I have the feeling she was neither FS. And, trying to keep an open mind about this riddle, I was wondering: If AA was not FS, who could have been really AA?

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Hi Yseult!

The Duke of Leuchtenberg once said that he didn't know who AA was, but that she was definitely from his own small circle of society.  This is something which has stuck with me -- and which has been echoed by others who met AA, like Princess Nina Georgievna who strongly maintained that whoever she was, she was no "factory worker."  So -- with this sentiment to guide me, I compiled a list of young women of Russian nobility who disappeared during the Revolution and Civil War; there was a surprising number of them -- nineteen, if memory serves (though there are probably more, as my search was out of curiosity alone, and was not therefore comprehensive).  I suppose that if you didn't believe that AA was AN, and you didn't believe that AA was FS, then you might well find a reasonable candidate among these girls. 

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This is the point, Penny. I must be honest: my knowlegde about the AA case is not very deep, but when I read all the threads open about the question, I feel theres something wrong concerning the "real" identity of the lady. I know, so well, that feelings mean a little or less than a little when we are rewiewing historical questions...but I believe curiosity is always a good start point ;)

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Re: Question and survey about claimants
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2006, 10:54:28 AM »
Annie wrote:

"From what I've seen of her on tape, she certainly wasn't regal in her speech and manner. The way she ended up living (in squalor with all those animals and garbage) was not classy."

This is not necessarily proof she wasn't royal or noble.  Winston Churchill didn't know how to put toothpaste on a toothbrush and once went onto the London Underground and got so lost a search party had to be sent out for him!  I can quite see a "royal", never taught the basics of personal hygiene without dressers, laundresses, maids and other servants might rapidly degenerate into squalor.  Manners are also a function of culture so that what appears common to one observer might easily appear regal to another.  She still wasn't Anastasia though...........

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Re: Question and survey about claimants
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2006, 10:59:49 AM »
From what I've seen of her on tape, she certainly wasn't regal in her speech and manner...

On this matter, I defer to the Duke of Leuchtenberg, Princess Nina, Princess Xenia etc., who were there and who had "specialist" knowledge of the situation.

I defer to those scientists in all of those labs who found her to be FS with an accuracy rate of 99.9%. It doesn't get any higher for who you ARE, the only way to get 100% is to prove who you AREN'T. (and she got that too when compared to Alexandra's family)

Again, it's a case of people seeing what they want to see (or perhaps wishful thinking or playing along in hopes of a payoff?) Also it's not a big deal to pretend to be somebody you're not, actresses do it all the time. Girls from dirt poor families play princesses, girls from well off families play homeless people. It means nothing in the end, only the scientific proof ends it.

One more thing to think about: there have been no other suspects, just as there has been no 'real killer' in the OJ case. At this point we can safely assume that OJ is guilty and AA was FS. (consider too that if she had been someone else, her relatives would surely have come forward asking for a share of the action by now!)