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Re: Stories of Survivors of Ipatiev House Murder
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2005, 02:44:11 PM »
You have a good point AGRBear!

Ya I also thought that it would have been impossible for him to have survived!

 I know this is nonsense but maybe some miracle could of hap pend and Alexei may have survived, because I've hesrd of some pretty amazing things happened to people close with God and I have family that has witnessed these miracles, so I'm not saying that this is true but maybe he might of survived with God leading his way!
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Re: Stories of Survivors of Ipatiev House Murder
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2005, 03:27:00 PM »
'Nicholas II' The Last of the Tsars, written by Marc Ferro a historian. Marc Ferro writes several pages on a possible theory that Alexandra and her four daughters survived and the uncertainty of Nicholas and Alexis survival. I thought I'd share that with you.

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Re: Stories of Survivors of Ipatiev House Murder
« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2005, 05:51:45 PM »
Well i can't believe that Alexandra and OTMA survived, their bone were found, and it is known by many that they ARE dead!


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Re: Stories of Survivors of Ipatiev House Murder
« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2005, 06:21:03 PM »
Not all of OTMA were found, Anastasia is also missing along with Alexei.
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Re: Stories of Survivors of Ipatiev House Murder
« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2005, 07:08:05 PM »
Ya true Annie!

But what i've just found out is that Yurovsky tried burning Alexei and Anastasia not the lady in waiting!And he burried them seperatly! So that could be the anwser to the missing Grand Duchess!

Please correct me if i'm wrong!


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Re: Stories of Survivors of Ipatiev House Murder
« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2005, 07:09:11 PM »

I don't think Alexis could have survived..period. As much as it would be nice to think, seeing what a frail boy he was, I don't think he could have gotten far. Like Annie said, with the accident down the stairs, he couldn't walk at all... which is a major handicap for someone wanting to make a swift escape
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Re: Stories of Survivors of Ipatiev House Murder
« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2005, 07:09:28 PM »
It's either Tatiana, Maria or Anastasia who's missing.  *shrug*

The whole burning things that's bleeding -- well, that was done ages and ages ago for medical reasons after a limb was amputated, burning to kill infection and cauterize the blood vessels.

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Re: Stories of Survivors of Ipatiev House Murder
« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2005, 07:12:25 PM »
Yes that's true, there is a question over which GD is missing, but one is for sure. And "missing" doesn't necessarily mean "survived"  :'( It's a body that's missing, and the girl didn't escape.
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Re: Stories of Survivors of Ipatiev House Murder
« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2005, 07:25:28 PM »
Were all the people who claimed to see Anastasia after the murder lying? And the question is why would they say that they saw her? i just don't get it!  ???
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Re: Stories of Survivors of Ipatiev House Murder
« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2005, 07:30:43 PM »
Check out the thread on Testimony of Sightings after July 18, 1918.  We talk about that.  

They may not have been "lying" but were simply mistaken.   It is also possible that some of the rural Russians did not know well enough what the Romanovs looked like.  Others may have been telling investigators what they wanted to hear.  Others may have been Bolshevik plants, trying to disguise the fact that the Imperial Family had been killed.
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Re: Stories of Survivors of Ipatiev House Murder
« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2005, 07:33:46 PM »
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It is also possible that some of the rural Russians did not know well enough what the Romanovs looked like.  Others may have been telling investigators what they wanted to hear.  Others may have been Bolshevik plants, trying to disguise the fact that the Imperial Family had been killed.


All very good points.

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Re: Stories of Survivors of Ipatiev House Murder
« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2005, 12:40:56 PM »
 Hi, I'm a new poster.
I'm interested in the story about the Grand Duchesses and the Tsarina being sent to Perm  that was (allegedly) told by AA in later life.

It's interesting because - according to the book 'The File on the Tsar' - there were many contemporary stories  from Perm itself that people had seen the Grand Duchesses imprisoned there.
 
Is this just a coincidence, or did AA know about these stories - OR is it possibly corroboration that she might have been telling the truth? :o
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Re: Stories of Survivors of Ipatiev House Murder
« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2005, 03:38:25 PM »
As far as I know AA mentioned the Perm story only after the The File on the Tsar had been published in 1976.
So perhaps she said what people wanted to hear.It seems she changed her story several times.

When the authors of the book visited her in Charlottesville she suddenly told them that "there was no massacre in Ekaterinburg but I canīt tell you the rest". Just to add to the mystery perhaps!
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Re: Stories of Survivors of Ipatiev House Murder
« Reply #28 on: April 09, 2005, 04:16:29 PM »
Summers and Mangold, the authors of The File on the Tsar, interviewed Anna Anderson for the book. This is when she made the infamous "there was no massacre" in Ekaterinburg remark. For obvious reasons. She would have had to have been either totally clueless or senile not to have realized that these reporters were rewriting the story of the Ekaterinburg murders. I'm fairly sure they even shared a few details of their big scoop with her, since their entire argument supported her claim, and her claim in turn supported theirs. It was probably another example of the "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" principle in action, however unconsciously. I don't think it was done with any deliberate intention to deceive - at least on the part of Summers and Mangold.
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Re: Stories of Survivors of Ipatiev House Murder
« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2005, 11:56:54 AM »
This book was hard to believe when I was a high school freshman when it came out, and now it's outright ridiculous in many ways, knowing what we know now since the fall of Communism.

While I did at one time believe in AA, I never believed the Polish family claimants (my history teacher did though!) and I never believed the Perm stories. Now since I've come to this forum, I found out the reason for the rumors: the Germans, with whom the Russians had just bargained an end to the war, had demanded 'the princesses of German blood' (Alix and OTMA) be delivered safely into their hands. Since they had already been executed, the Bolsheviks had to come up with a story real fast to cover themselves in order not to cause in international incident with the Germans, so they planted all these stories that the girls had escaped and let them spread around. Sadly, these stories are used to this day by those looking for escape theories. So there was word going around that they were alive, seen here or there, but they were all FALSE.

This is not the only time the Bolsheviks did this. When Ella, Prince Paley and the Konstantinovich boys were killed 2 days after the Imperial family, they did not admit it, they went back to the town and rang a bell and spread word that the prisoners had been 'taken away in the night by unknown persons' There is documented evidence of this in the memoirs of the lead assassin, and you can read his testimony in "Nicholas and Alexandra: A Lifelong Passion." So since they did it here, it is very likely they also were capable of making up false stories concerning the other killings. Not only has this caused a lot of wild stories to circulate over the years, it caused at the time a great deal of false hope and grief among the families, especially the mother of the Konstantinovich boys.