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Re: Stories of Survivors of Ipatiev House Murder
« Reply #840 on: January 21, 2007, 08:44:02 PM »
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Re: Stories of Survivors of Ipatiev House Murder
« Reply #841 on: January 23, 2007, 08:21:45 PM »
  It realy has been too long 88 years and still no bones found of Alexei and Anastasia or Maria. I wish they would find the bones that could be buried a long distance from were the other nine remains were, or maybe its too late because they may have been turned into ashes and dust 88 years ago thats a long time for bones to survive in the damaged, carelessly treated, neglected and abused condition they were in, already because they were so damaged and abused by the killers the sulfuric acids may have completly destroyed their bodies since the toxic chemical destroys human remains almost or completly and its too late their remains maybe or are gone forever.This maybe the reason probaly why the search team and the scientists can not find the two missings remains that were sad to be separatly buried they could have been turned into dust already I think. :(

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Re: Stories of Survivors of Ipatiev House Murder
« Reply #842 on: February 03, 2007, 06:54:36 AM »
My common sense -I'm too much logical- tells me that it is not possible that no one could survive the execution at the Itipaiev House. My romantic being, however, wishes that somebody could escape from that horrible death.

Thus, being trapped between my two sides, I can hardly say anything fina, about it.

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Re: Stories of Survivors of Ipatiev House Murder
« Reply #843 on: February 03, 2007, 07:22:14 AM »
Good lord people!! Let's be sensible here!! how could ANYONE possibily survive?? Let alone escape!!! ::) ::)
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« Reply #844 on: February 03, 2007, 07:25:13 AM »
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Re: Stories of Survivors of Ipatiev House Murder
« Reply #845 on: February 03, 2007, 06:38:08 PM »
ok... i've always been very confused why people say that there is
a surivor of Alexei.

Correct me if i'm wrong!
it was said that Yakov Yurovsky, saw Alexei still moving, and shot him twice in the temples!

now, i've heard people surviving after being shot point blank in the face
but Alexei was an hemopheliac!! (sp)
there is no physicaly way he could have survived!

i've also heard stories that Leonka, the imperial family's kitchen boy, was switched with alexei.
if thats the story they are refering to please tell me, because i'm so confused!

also, if there is already a thread about this please tell me!
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Re: Stories of Survivors of Ipatiev House Murder
« Reply #846 on: February 03, 2007, 06:50:08 PM »
Correct me if i'm wrong!
it was said that Yakov Yurovsky, saw Alexei still moving, and shot him twice in the temples!
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now, i've heard people surviving after being shot point blank in the face
but Alexei was an hemopheliac!! (sp)
there is no physicaly way he could have survived!
I agree. It's extremely unlikely.

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i've also heard stories that Leonka, the imperial family's kitchen boy, was switched with alexei.
if thats the story they are refering to please tell me, because i'm so confused!
I don't think that's possible either. According to Alexandra's diary, Leonka was removed from the Ipatiev house on the afternoon before the execution. Surely the guards would have been able to recognize the two boys, and would have noticed the switch.



Aleksei's body has never been found, so we have no physical evidence of his death. However, just because his body is missing doesn't mean he survived. ;)
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Re: Stories of Survivors of Ipatiev House Murder
« Reply #847 on: February 03, 2007, 07:05:04 PM »
so... because there was no body found... people said that he survived?
thats ridiculous!
why would they think that?

well i guess the information about the romanvos wasn't let out to the public in?
i forgot the year!!

but don't you think that it might be possible that the boys was switch?
i quess your right that they weren't switched.
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Re: Stories of Survivors of Ipatiev House Murder
« Reply #848 on: February 03, 2007, 07:14:56 PM »
so... because there was no body found... people said that he survived?
thats ridiculous!
why would they think that?
Well, NONE of the bodies were found until 1979, I believe. Before then, the details of the murder and Aleksei's health weren't as commonly known as they are now. People were more willing to believe in the possibility of survivors.


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but don't you think that it might be possible that the boys was switch?
Nope. By the time of the execution, Aleksei had been living in the Ipatiev house for about 2 months. Yurovsky, the guards, and the majority of the executioners  must have known what he looked like. I can't imagine how Aleksei could have switched places with Leonka in the middle of the afternoon without anyone noticing.
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Re: Stories of Survivors of Ipatiev House Murder
« Reply #849 on: February 03, 2007, 11:40:35 PM »
Beside the fact that the guards would have easily detected a switch, it was also unlikely because Alexei was bedridden and could not walk. It would have been very hard to have gotten him out past the several lines of guards without attracting attention.
And Sednev ended up with his family and wrote down his memories of the last days before dying at a young age of twenty something. Surely someone would have noticed it wasn't him. Unfortunately his memoirs have not yet been discovered.
One bullet from the killer's gun might have by a fluke traveled around the skin and not penetrated his brain, but not two. That is almost statistically impossible.

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Re: Stories of Survivors of Ipatiev House Murder
« Reply #850 on: February 04, 2007, 10:57:16 AM »
I think the idea of a switch comes from a novel- The Kitchen Boy by Robert Alexander.  Although a very good work of FICTION, as happens, some take it for real.
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Re: Stories of Survivors of Ipatiev House Murder
« Reply #851 on: February 04, 2007, 12:59:56 PM »
Hi,

This sounds like an overly glorified version of the baby in the warming pan brought into Mary of Modena.  Great fiction but not everybody is stupid and these things would have been noticed.

People must have known that Mary of Modena was pregnant for 9 months and now also that Alexei was an invalid, who couldn't just suddenly get up and walk (run) away.
And, the kitchen boy - wouldn't you think that he'd have said something when seeing all those guns pointed at him......  "Hey wait a minute, I'm supposed to be pealing potatoes not getting shot!!".....

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Re: Stories of Survivors of Ipatiev House Murder
« Reply #852 on: February 04, 2007, 06:00:19 PM »
If he was still alive he would have bleed to death beecause of his hemophilia

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Re: Stories of Survivors of Ipatiev House Murder
« Reply #853 on: February 04, 2007, 07:31:47 PM »
Correct me if i'm wrong!
it was said that Yakov Yurovsky, saw Alexei still moving, and shot him twice in the temples!

I've read somewhere that Yurovsky might of been lying about Alexei being shot in the temple because it would convince who ever read it that Alexei infact died. But he didn't mention Alexei really after that, when ever he described the children, he talked about the GD's, not Alexei. Probably because he wasen't there.

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Re: Stories of Survivors of Ipatiev House Murder
« Reply #854 on: February 04, 2007, 07:55:28 PM »
thats probably why people say hes still alive

i can't think of a reason why they would switch him out.
but mayve the two boys looked very alike!

is there any pictures of leonka?
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