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Re: Alix's Engagement and Wedding
« Reply #315 on: December 17, 2010, 08:23:48 AM »
alix of hesse arrives at livadia on 10.10 1894.


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« Reply #316 on: February 10, 2012, 03:04:38 AM »

the political situation in Russia which - as Princess Victoria wrote - Ella did not know at all living in a kind a fairytale and unreal world of her own.

Thomas, when was this letter written? I would'nt say Ella knew nothing of the political situation by 1894 and was not any more living in an unreal world. By 1894 Elisaveta Fedorovna was the wife of the Moscow governor (a dangerous fonction), working very active at his side, especially charity work, visiting, comforting, establishing. Serge Alexandrovich discussed with her such problem like students movement, revolution from the upper class, his ideas about autocracy. A few years later we see Ella writing letters to Nicolas II, proposing political advices... Of course, she was not an expert, a polical woman, but she was not living in a fairytale. What she certainly did not expect was the early death of Alexander III and, as a consequence the fact that her sister Alix will not have any time and any mentor to learn her "job".

That is what Princess Victoria wrote to her father in the late 1880ies when Alix and Nicholas were already in love but at the same time other suitors arrived in Darmstadt.
I do think that Ella was not quite aware of the drawback situation in Russia's government and the extreme poverty of masses of people. How could she - she was never shown living in Petersburg and Illinskoe where the peasants had a much better life due to Imperial influence.
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« Reply #317 on: July 01, 2012, 06:03:29 AM »
I’m not sure if anyone here has already posted this info here, but as far as I know, it isn’t yet. It just came out accidentally when I was searching for Alix’s letters. This is a very detailed account of her stay in Harrogate… a very lovely account which would make you feel in love with her as I am now! She’s described here soo beautifully, and all the details are reliable ~ find it out by reading how the poster retrieved this valuable info.

Please Read them here: Part 1 and Part 2

Huhu, although I have many things to worry about regarding my studies, I can’t help but tell you all about this. Here you will appreciate and love the real Alix more and more <3  No wonder why Nicholas fell in love with her and her children grew up as fine & lovely people.  This might as well be evidence that proves she is truly fully English.


Amazing colored fotos  by the most wonderful Yelena Aleksandrovna. Endless thank you very much!

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« Reply #318 on: July 01, 2012, 11:22:09 AM »
I don't know if this question belongs here but, are people from Hesse called Hessians?  And were these the same people who helped in the American Revolutionary War?

The interesting thing is that the Hessians, being paid mercenaries, worked for both sides in the Revolution. It is true that they came with Von Steuben and trained at Valley Forge, but they were also ensconced in Trenton and it was the Hessians that Washington surprised on his Christmas Offensive - the whole crossing of the Delaware thing.

I actually have 16th century ancestors who settled in New Jersey after the Revolution and became citizens of the State of New Jersey and from what I can tell they were Hessians. I am not sure what part of Hesse they came from but they came and stayed. I have a book called (I believe) The Germans of New Jersey and the patriarch of the family and his sons are listed as well as their naturalization dates. They settled in a place called Bennett's Bagore and farmed and raised their ever growing families. The name of the patriarch was Johannes Jager which was anglicized to Yeager.

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« Reply #319 on: July 01, 2012, 06:23:55 PM »
Interesting Alixz. I live about ten miles from Valley Forge. From what I've come to understand most of these Hessian soldiers were not individual mercenaries but forced into action by their respective Princes who dealt them, mostly, to the British. Some 30,000 fought in the American Revolution and as is often the case actual "Hessians" made up less than 50% of the total manpower, but all German's were referred to as such.
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« Reply #320 on: July 02, 2012, 08:34:48 AM »
Of course you are right about the respective princes and how the "Hessians" were brought into the revolution or any war where the princes could earn an extra buck buy renting out their armies. The Hessians were known to the crack troops, well trained and highly skilled soldiers and that might be why (in the time of the revolution) the name Hessian was applied to all of the Germanic soldiers who were fighting on both sides.
It is very hard to give this group of Germanic people a single designation because Germany did not exist as a country and all of the duchies and principalities had different names and different rulers.

We, working in the 19th century, call them Prussians - Hessians - etc and then Germans after the 1870 war with France and the unification of Germany under Prussia.

I didn't mean to get quite so far into this subject here as this is a thread about Alix's Engagement and Wedding, but the question had been asked and I just finished reading some material about the "Hessians" and the Trenton, New Jersey campaign of Geo Washington and Co.  

When I was in school and learning about this, I didn't know much about my European Heritage except that some of my ancestors had come from "Germany" and I never put the whole set of facts together back then. Mostly, my dad talked about those who came after the 1848 upheavals.

I found all of the information on those who became New Jersey citizens at a much later stage of life and, of course, with the Internet, research is so much faster and easier that it was when I was a kid.

I have a fascinating family tree with direct and indirect relationships to people and families that I never suspected. And, yes, I am verifying all of this, not just taking someone else's posting and information for granted.

I think that everyone probably has a family with a lot of interesting and maybe even famous people included if they look hard enough for them.  But for someone like me who has had ancestors who were here before the Revolution and who fought in just about every war (I can verify the Revolution - the War Between the States - and World War II) and it is an important part of who I am and what it means to me to be an American. In this era of "illegal immigration" problems and heritage "communities" instead of "melting pot Americans" I find comfort in knowing that my family, like all families, came here for a better life, but didn't wait for it to be legislated to them. They worked hard and fought hard and earned the rights we all have.

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Re: Alix's Engagement and Wedding
« Reply #321 on: December 07, 2012, 12:25:44 PM »
I've found the next set of images tagged as AF's wedding.

****The credits for all the images are for the italian site tipsimages.it****

Alexandra arriving for her wedding to the Winter Palace

Click here for bigger!!

The newly married Empress kisses the icon of Virgin Mary


The crowns are placed on the heads of the bride and the groom

« Last Edit: December 07, 2012, 12:30:00 PM by Yelena Aleksandrovna »
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« Reply #322 on: December 07, 2012, 12:32:30 PM »
Set number two:

As in the previous post ****The credits for all the images are for the italian site tipsimages.it****

The bride and groom walk together


Two more pics of the ceremony


« Last Edit: December 07, 2012, 12:43:09 PM by Yelena Aleksandrovna »
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« Reply #323 on: December 08, 2012, 01:25:13 PM »
Sorry if this was asked before, but was there a reason why no photos were taken in the wedding? A question of protocoll perhaps? Since the royal family were all passionate with photographs later on it seems a bit strange.
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« Reply #324 on: December 09, 2012, 12:28:29 AM »
We've talked about it some on other threads but I don't know if there's been a conclusive answer. Except for Mavra (who didn't convert), there don't seem to be any photos from the Imperial weddings until later when Grand Duchess Helen and Grand Duchess Marie Pavlovna Jr were both photographed in their wedding regalia. Even then, there haven't been photos during the ceremony.
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« Reply #325 on: December 09, 2012, 05:57:54 AM »
I don't know about other countries, but in Britain it's simply not the done thing to take photographs during wedding ceremonies. Before and after, yes, but not during. So you have people arriving at the church, and leaving, but not in there.

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« Reply #326 on: December 09, 2012, 09:40:22 AM »
I guess except for Royal weddings as they are filmed for the world and broadcast live.

I have been to many Episcopal weddings and we are usually asked to not take photos during the ceremony. Of course, this is the US and people simply ignore what they don't want to hear.

At my husband's niece's wedding, I asked the bridesmaids to walk back down the aisle so I could get good shots of the other related wedding party members.

Also, it may just have been that in 1894, there were no cameras that could capture the live action with ease and without getting in the way.

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« Reply #327 on: January 02, 2013, 03:37:26 AM »
Happy new year everyone and thank you for answering me, I didn't have in mind photos taken during the ceremony but also before and after that! But I never saw a single one. Is it possible that they had some pictures taken some days after? I know it used to be that way in my countries some 50 years ago.
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« Reply #328 on: February 12, 2017, 11:30:36 AM »
I’m not sure if anyone here has already posted this info here, but as far as I know, it isn’t yet. It just came out accidentally when I was searching for Alix’s letters. This is a very detailed account of her stay in Harrogate… a very lovely account which would make you feel in love with her as I am now! She’s described here soo beautifully, and all the details are reliable ~ find it out by reading how the poster retrieved this valuable info.

Please Read them here: Part 1 and Part 2

Huhu, although I have many things to worry about regarding my studies, I can’t help but tell you all about this. Here you will appreciate and love the real Alix more and more <3  No wonder why Nicholas fell in love with her and her children grew up as fine & lovely people.  This might as well be evidence that proves she is truly fully English.

More on the fate of the Empress' gifts to her twin godchildren:
http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ImperialRussian/blog/index.blog/1483962/empress-of-russias-faberge-gift-to-her-yorkshire-godchildren-comes-to-auction/
инок Николай

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Re: Alix's Engagement and Wedding
« Reply #329 on: April 09, 2017, 06:30:34 PM »
Rare interior photographs of Schloss Ehrenburg in Coburg - Nicholas & Alix Engagement

https://winterpalaceresearch.blogspot.ca/2017/04/nicholas-alix-engagement-in-schloss.html

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