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Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2008, 09:58:16 AM »
Malama was in her hospital until december 1914, then he came back to war. Tatiana saw him another time in 1916 (see Alexandra's letter).
Kiknadze was in 1915 and 1916 (for exact datation, see the diary entries in that thread).
Was she in love... Well, I was not Tatiana's confident...! In a letter of the end of 1914, Olga Alexandrovna (their aunt) joke about Tatiana's tender feeling for Malama. Alexandra herself told he would have been a good son for her if...
About Volodia Kiknadze, I do not know exactly. Diary entries and Chebotareva's account show she evidently was very fond of him, they spent a lot of time together and it was an occasion of gossip in the lazaret. Volodia and Mitia were specially distinguished when Anna Vyrubova invited them for a party.
Perhaps Helen A or Reagan, who read the GD's diary entirely, if I am not wrong, could tell us more (if they have the right, I do not know).
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Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2008, 01:58:58 PM »
I am currently writing about Tatiana, so I'm hoping to have all the information I need to write about her, that's all.

I'd love to read what you have when you're done with that!
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Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2008, 02:36:51 PM »
I am currently writing about Tatiana, so I'm hoping to have all the information I need to write about her, that's all.

I'd love to read what you have when you're done with that!

Me too!

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Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2008, 01:13:24 AM »
Thank you matushka for your helpfulness.

I actually became a little curious about Dmitri Malama. I haven't read anything from Tatiana talking about him, except when in her diary she said that she was very happy with the puppy he gave her, and when Alexandra wrote letters to Nicholas mentioning if he visited and how he would have been a wonderful son-in-law.

I am currently writing about Tatiana, so I'm hoping to have all the information I need to write about her, that's all.

I'd love to read what you have when you're done with that!

Me too!

I'm sure you will read it one day. ;)
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Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2008, 03:29:27 AM »
Quotation from Olga Alexandrovna's letter. It is not so suggestive, she is only joking. "Tatiana, wich Ulhan gave you the little dog? Olga wrote you are sitting in his bed. Sounds very interesting" (in russian: ochen zaniatno, I don't know the exact translation).

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Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2008, 04:10:00 AM »
Oh, thank you. Are there any quotes from Tatiana's diary?

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Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2008, 08:11:40 AM »
Quotation from Olga Alexandrovna's letter. It is not so suggestive, she is only joking. "Tatiana, wich Ulhan gave you the little dog? Olga wrote you are sitting in his bed. Sounds very interesting" (in russian: ochen zaniatno, I don't know the exact translation).

Perhaps "amusing" or "entertaining"?
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Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2008, 09:44:37 AM »
очень занятой I think it translates as very funny
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Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2008, 01:25:37 PM »
Entertaining is certainly the right word! Thank you!!

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Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2008, 03:55:30 PM »
Yes, matushka, you're right. So well done!  :)
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Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2008, 07:23:44 PM »
Going slightly off topic, are there any records of what happened to Olga's Mitia?

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Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
« Reply #26 on: May 22, 2008, 07:26:24 AM »
Unfortunetly no (in my knowneldge). I am planning to send a request at the RVGIA in Moscow (russian military state archives), but it is quite expensive when you are not doing yourself the research (almost 200-300 euros) and I do not know when I will be abble to allow me that. I am working on!

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Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
« Reply #27 on: May 28, 2008, 11:09:17 PM »
It's a shame that it is so expensive. I do hope somehow we'll find out what happened to Olga's Mitia, as already has been done with Tatiana's Dmitri.

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Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
« Reply #28 on: May 29, 2008, 12:59:58 AM »
Well, I was also hoping we would know who exactly was Nikolai Demenkov and what was his fate.... But I donŽt think weŽll ever know....

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Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
« Reply #29 on: May 29, 2008, 04:44:11 AM »
Oh, yes. I believe Nikolai Dmitrievich Demenkov was an officer at the Tsar's headquarters in Mogilev. I don't know anything more about him, and it seems that there aren't records to find out what happened to these young men, except for Dmitri Yakovlech Malama, who outlived Tatiana and her family by a year, and was sadly killed while commanding a unit of the White Russians fighting in the civil war against the Bolsheviks in Ukraine.

This sometimes makes me wonder sadly who the Grand Duchesses would have married if they remained alive..
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