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Offline Ally Kumari

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Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
« Reply #30 on: May 29, 2008, 04:55:03 AM »
Well I have heard that Demenkov also joined the White army - but I don´t know what happened to him.

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Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
« Reply #31 on: May 29, 2008, 05:43:44 AM »
Hmm, I think you may have been right earlier Ally. We may never know what happened to these officers.

Luckily, kind and generous Matushka is doing her best to find out more. Thank you very much for your useful contributions, Matushka!

I have done my best on searching, but I couldn't find any diary entries of Tatiana mentioning Dmitri, except when she received her puppy from him. But thanks to Matushka, we have been provided with a number of diary entries where Tatiana talks about Volodia. IMO, she was very fond of him (as well as Mitia), but I cannot be certain that she was actually in love with him.

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Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
« Reply #32 on: April 30, 2009, 10:09:33 PM »
When did ''Volodia'' die?

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Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
« Reply #33 on: May 02, 2009, 09:24:23 AM »
As far as I know,  that isn't known.


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Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
« Reply #34 on: December 14, 2009, 09:09:06 PM »
My friends, here is Vladimir Kiknadze.
God bless my knowledge about Russian military uniform.
Here are his photos in a military uniform and as a nurse.
Vladimir was an officer of HIS MAJESTY (you can see a sign on his epaulets) 3rd Guards Rifle Regiment. You also can see a collar nurse under his military uniform.
And after his recovery he served (by Chebotareva) at the same time as a nurse.
Later I will find more information about him.







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Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
« Reply #35 on: December 14, 2009, 10:12:03 PM »
*Sarushka, I've done my promise to you.

Indeed you have -- and so quickly, too! Болшой спасибо!
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Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
« Reply #36 on: December 15, 2009, 03:40:11 AM »
So this is the Vladimir Kiknadze who the elder nurses hate to see to be with Tatiana. Thank you so much, Nicola! He even had a lot of pictures in Vyrubova’s albums!


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Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
« Reply #37 on: December 15, 2009, 04:12:07 AM »
I wonder why the elder nurses were so disapproving. After all, Vladimir Kiknadze was an officer in a good regiment, and twice wounded.

Perhaps they simply thought that Olga and Tatiana were getting too fond of the patients.

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Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
« Reply #38 on: December 15, 2009, 05:20:39 AM »
Perhaps the elder nurses thought that very beautiful Grand Duchesses are not for ordinary soldiers. 

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Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
« Reply #39 on: December 15, 2009, 06:03:37 AM »
And that the Grand Duchesses were not behaving in a suitably dignified fashion befitting Grand Duchesses.

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Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
« Reply #40 on: December 15, 2009, 06:44:29 AM »
According to Wikipedia
 "Chebotareva felt the flirtations between the grand duchesses and the wounded officers could cause gossip and damage the girls' reputations."

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Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
« Reply #41 on: December 15, 2009, 08:09:17 AM »
Thank you a lot, Nicola, your skills are remarkable. I have also some questions about all those men that accompanied IF (Can't remember right now). I think that Nicola should open a new thread in 'Servants and Friends' section, under name 'Photo identifications of persons surrounded Imperial Family' , in that he would copy/quote all information about Sednev, Malama, Kiknadze and so on. All in one place. Anyone?
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Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
« Reply #42 on: December 15, 2009, 10:01:44 AM »
Thank you Nena, Shandy and others.. About new thread (indentification, questions/answers) - good idea. If someone will open it, I would join it with a big pleasure.

Shandy and Kalafrana, you both are a little bit wrong and are confusing all our dear forum members. He was not just an "ordinary soldier". He was an a officer (not lower than a Lieutenant, according to the photo) and served in the Guard's, and moreover in His Majesty (that means that Nicholas could personally be familiar with the officers of his regiment, including Kiknadze) 3rd Rifle Regiment (Saint Petersburg dislocation). Only nobility and aristocracy at that time could serve in the Guard, especially in His Majesty's Regiment. So, it means that Tatiana's favourite was a very intelligent, educated and brave officer of one of the best Infantry and Rifle Regiments of the Russian Empire with a great 200-years History. As I know, Russia at that time had only a dozen of His Majesty's (named by the Nicholas II and patronized by him) regiments in all the Armed Forces (including Cavalry, Infantry, etc.).

 I also think, that Nicholas II and Alexandra Feodorovna were both well aware of their daughters flirtations. That's why Nicholas II appointed Demenkov (earlier he was a Naval officer) in His Majesty's Infantry United Regiment, closer to Maria (good father!). And especially that's why Alexandra Feodorovna allowed Kiknadze to stay in the Tsarskoe Selo hospital as a nurse and she (good mother!) sometimes was gathering together Demenkov (Maria), Kiknadze (Tatiana), Shah-Bagov (Olga) in a hospital. So, don't worry, careful parents had a total control of all the situation. And finally, they would not allowed to their girls untested and unknown men.

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Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
« Reply #43 on: December 20, 2009, 03:29:42 AM »
Oh, I’m very sorry for my hurtful comment to Kiknadze, Nicolá. It’s really the way at first I thought of him because I don’t know much about the regiment he belonged to, his nor his family and personal backgrounds. It is so unfair of me to malign him. I am like the elder nurses who didn’t approve of his sweetness towards Tatiana.

Nicholas and Alexandra have been definitely very assenting and kind parents. You’ve also given evidence that Alexandra had not been so strict a mother, as she allowed her daughters to enjoy the company of their “friends” (as what she calls Chakh-Bagov, Kiknadze, Malama and Demenkov in her letters to Nicholas in the wartime). Nicholas was very open to his daughter, Maria, to talk about Demenkov, and obviously, he had been an informant for his daughter about her crush’s whereabouts, it seems to me!
P.S. May you please post the 4th photo in whole?



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Re: Tatiana and Vladimir Kiknadze
« Reply #44 on: December 20, 2009, 05:45:29 AM »
'Ordinary soldier' usually signifies a Private or similar, a very different being from a Guards officer.

Does anyone have any information about Vladimir Kiknadze's education? I note that Dimitri Malama, another of the girls' crushes, was an alumnus of the Corps des Pages, as were a lot of Guards officers.

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