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Offline Wartski

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Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
« on: February 13, 2007, 06:13:56 AM »
Hello,

Does anyone know where the Tsar was on 21st May 1908 and who he might have been with?

Best wishes,

Kieran,
Wartski, London
« Last Edit: February 13, 2007, 06:19:18 AM by Wartski »

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Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2007, 09:08:25 AM »
Kieran,
According to Spirdovitch, Nicholas was at the Alexander Palace in TS, preparing for the trip to Reval.
No details for that specific day. You might try to have the Palace records in GARF researched for his appointments that day.

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Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2007, 01:07:28 PM »
21th May in which style (Calendar) : new or old?

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Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2007, 07:30:12 AM »
The Julian calendar I would presume. However the reason for asking the question is we bought lot 395 of the King George I of the Hellenes sale at Christies last month. It was a silver card case by Faberge inscribed by the Tsar 'Nicky, May 21st 1908'. This could mean the Tsar was using the Western Gregorian calendar as he was writing in English

We were very lucky to get it; it was a bit of a sleeper, Christies for some reason had not identified the signature as Nicholas'.

Thanks for asking,

Kieran

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Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2007, 09:00:00 AM »
I think, if Nicky was in Russia, it was Russian style, if not - European.

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Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2007, 09:04:58 AM »
Maybe,if it wa his birthday?
I am a little bit confused with calendar
his birthday is 6th of May (Nicky) - in Russian style
Which is about 20th May in European style?

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Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2007, 09:45:02 AM »
I presume , that it was Russian style.
In accordance of the Camer - Fourier journal - Nicholas and his family came on 20th May to Peterhof and was there
till 23th October 1908  -
So what we have at the moment-
1) 21th May 1908 - he was in Peterhof - in his Law Dacha?
He had a report of Stolypin - this is for sure.
2) Olyga Konstantinovna - Queen of Greece was in Russia in this period.
I know for sure that  on 31th May 1908 she went to the Kalyazin(near Moscow) Troitsa Monastery with Oleg Konstantinovich, Igory Konstantinovich and Tatiana Konstantinovna.
We could imagine that Nicky might meet Olyga on 21th May in Peterhof.

If you want to know more details, it is necessary to go to GARF and check the CAMER - FOURIER  Journal for
21th May.

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Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2007, 11:42:07 AM »
I think that I have resolved  this matter for you.
In accordance of the list of "Fetes Annuelles et mobiles  et  jour de Naissance et de nom des members de la Maison Imperial":
21th May - Jour de Nom de GD Konstantin Konstantinovich,  Princesse Elena Vladimirovna and prince Konstantine Konstantinovich
So -  Olyga or somebody of Konstantinovich have received it from Nicky as present for "jour de nom".

Best Regards,

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Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2007, 01:24:35 PM »
The only difference between the Roman Catholic Church and the Holy Orthodox Church for Saint Day May 21 st, is that the Orthodox Church celebrates both Emperor Constantin I ( also known as " equal to the Holy Apostles " ) and his mother Helene on may 21 st, whereas the Catholic Church only celebrates Emperor Constantin I on may 21 st, his mother Helene beeing commemorated or celebrated on a different Saint Day.
" Jour de nom " is more often called in french " fête de Saint Patron " or simply " fête " ( Saint Day ), and in Catholic families it is still nowadays celebrated just like a Birthday with presents to the person etc..

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Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2007, 03:43:24 PM »
I have this large announcement card (about 18x12). It is telling people in a French city that they cannot use certain streets because the Tsar will be coming in on those streets during his trip. The thing I cannot figure out is why all around the border are Japanese figures with Pagoda's and rickshaws, etc. Can anyone think why a French official announcement would have all these Japanese characters around the border? It seems a bit odd.
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Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
« Reply #10 on: December 25, 2007, 01:37:44 AM »
Im not sure, but Japanese culture was considered fashionable at the time.

Otherwise it could have just come down to an availability of certain types of borders at a printers etc.

It must be an interesting piece because of this.

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Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2007, 03:25:51 PM »
Do you know what year it was used?

Maybe Nicholas did not come back by train from Japan on his 1891 trip, but came back by ship, stopping in France en route?

In another thread we discussed at length how Nicholas returned from his journey in 1891 to Japan as the outward journey is well documented, but the return trip was summed up by the sentence "and then he went home".

However we know he cannot have returned home by train as the Trans-Siberian Railway was not built at that time.


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Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2007, 03:27:54 PM »
So the announcement card would have been brought from Japan with them on the sea vogage and used in France.

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Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2007, 04:07:39 PM »
This picture is taken before he became the Tsar with the beard. He is the Tsarevich in this photo and is also unmarried. I will try to find the scan of the announcement with the Japanese characters on it. The trip to France was an official trip he took with Alexandra after he became the Tsar. I actually have some commemerative plates from France that were made for his visit. I might be able to scan them in. I will give it a try.

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Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2008, 11:22:15 PM »
OK, this is old subject. But could somebody tell me please, where could be Nicholas II middle of January 1910?
I am doing some research.