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Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2008, 09:45:53 AM »
The entire month of January 1910 was spent at Tsarskoie Selo, although Spiridovitch reports that Nicholas made regular day trips to St. Petersburg.  Alexandra was ill and did not leave the Palace.


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Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2008, 04:15:20 PM »
The entire month of January 1910 was spent at Tsarskoie Selo, although Spiridovitch reports that Nicholas made regular day trips to St. Petersburg.  Alexandra was ill and did not leave the Palace.


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Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2008, 10:31:10 AM »
I was watching a documentry on the Moulin Rouge and I was wondering if Nicholas went there while in Paris?  As it was a famous spot to enjoy ones self or to unwind during it's early years.  Or was it to much a place of ilrepute especially with artists and semi-naked women for one of such high status to go to such a Gentlemen's club?
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Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2008, 10:50:28 AM »
As the Moulin Rouge did not even open until 1889, I rather doubt he would have.  I'm not certain if Nicholas was even IN Paris between 1889 and taking the throne in 1894.  Certainly as the Emperor he never went there.

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Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2008, 01:35:24 AM »
Nicholas visiting the M.R, burlesque in style, would have been similar to royalty visiting a strip club today… it was certainly low brow and would have only have been attempted in disguise.
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Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2008, 11:33:04 AM »
If I remember correctly the second time Nicholas was in Paris was with his wife during a world tour. Even if Nicholas wasn't married he would never do such event.
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Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2008, 06:38:43 PM »
I  do some research about czar Nicholas II.

It is some possibility, that Nicholas was visiting Ekaterinburg in January 1910.
Maybe participate in a costume party or ballet in local theatre?

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Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2008, 06:55:07 PM »
I  do some research about czar Nicholas II.

It is some possibility, that Nicholas was visiting Ekaterinburg in January 1910.
Maybe participate in a costume party or ballet in local theatre?
I just find that he could not visit theater, because it was build not until 1912.
http://www.ekaterinburg.tv/theatres.htm

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Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2009, 10:14:01 AM »
Everyone get confused by the difference between Gregorian and Julian dates.

Nicholas was born on May 6 (Julian) which adding 12 days in the 19th century becomes May 18 (Gregorian).

After the turn of the 20th century, the Julian calendar fell another day behind and so Nicholas was still born on May 6 (Julian) but on the Gregorian calendar it was now May 19.

According to a Russian Orthodox poster, the Julian calendar did not fall another day behind the Gregorian at the turn of the 21st century, so it is still 13 days behind even now.

However, Nicholas's birthday was Job's Day or May 6, but is now celebrated on May 19th.

So where ever Nicholas was on May 21, 1908 would have nothing to do with his birthday even with the change in calendars.  In Russia, May 21st  would be May 8th and in the west it would be May 21st.  Neither of those days is his birthday.
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Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2009, 04:14:36 PM »
Everyone get confused by the difference between Gregorian and Julian dates.

Nicholas was born on May 6 (Julian) which adding 12 days in the 19th century becomes May 18 (Gregorian).

After the turn of the 20th century, the Julian calendar fell another day behind and so Nicholas was still born on May 6 (Julian) but on the Gregorian calendar it was now May 19.

According to a Russian Orthodox poster, the Julian calendar did not fall another day behind the Gregorian at the turn of the 21st century, so it is still 13 days behind even now.

However, Nicholas's birthday was Job's Day or May 6, but is now celebrated on May 19th.

So where ever Nicholas was on May 21, 1908 would have nothing to do with his birthday even with the change in calendars.  In Russia, May 21st  would be May 8th and in the west it would be May 21st.  Neither of those days is his birthday.

Also, celebrations were generally held on one's name day, not one's birthday, unless like the Emperor, one was born on one's name day.

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Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2009, 07:07:26 AM »
In this period I am reading a lot of old italian newspapers and sometimes I find little articles about the visits of the Tsar across Europe or in Russia.
But, as I said before, in the italian newspapers there are only short articles, while I supppose that in russian or english ones there should be exhaustive information.


My question is "Can we try to write a chronology of his travels?"


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Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2009, 11:43:35 AM »
Gleb - that is a great idea.

Do we start when he was tsarevich or after his marriage?

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Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2009, 12:20:44 PM »
I'll fill in what I have at hand.  Please cut and paste and add to it, so that the end result will be the completed chronology.   This list is only for while Emperor and only outside the Russian Empire.  If you want more detail let us know:

1896  Aug.   Austria/Hungary (Vienna)
         Sept.   Denmark (Copenhagen)
         Sept/Oct   Great Britain  (Aberdeen, Balmoral)
         Oct.     France  (Paris, Versailles)
         Oct.    Germany (Darmstadt)

1901  Sept.    France  (Compiegne)
                    Denmark (Copenhagen)

1909   July   Germany (Kiel)
                   France (Cherbourg)
                   England (Cowes)
          Sept.  Italy (Rome)

1910   Aug.    Germany (Friedburg, Darmstadt, Hamburg)

1913  May     Germany (Berlin)

1914   June    Bulgaria (Constanza)

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Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2009, 12:26:31 PM »
1896  Aug.   Austria/Hungary (Vienna)
         Sept.   Denmark (Copenhagen)
         Sept/Oct   Great Britain  (Aberdeen, Balmoral)
         Oct.     France  (Paris, Versailles)
         Oct.    Germany (Darmstadt)

1901  Sept.    France  (Compiegne)
                    Denmark (Copenhagen)

1909   July   Germany (Kiel)
                   France (Cherbourg)
                   England (Cowes)
       
          Oct.   Italy (Racconigi)

1910   Aug.    Germany (Friedburg, Darmstadt, Hamburg)

1913  May     Germany (Berlin)

1914   June    Romania (Constanza)
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Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2009, 02:19:02 PM »
Thank you it is about to become very interesting!

Little correction in 1909 the Tsar did not visit Rome, he was only in Racconigi 23, 24 and 25 october. He arrived in the morning of the 23 and left on 25 at 3 p.m. He came directly from Russia.

In october 1903 the Imperial Couple was to visit Rome, but suddenly Prince Doulguruky went to Itlay and told the King the visit would be cancelled. In the newspapers I read it was roumored it happened becouse of Alexandra. She did not want to visit Rome as the italian socialists were against the Tsar.