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« Reply #45 on: June 15, 2009, 07:17:21 AM »
Ok- thank you. But I am sure you mean 1890, not 1980.

17   July 1980  Krasnoe Selo


And during 1915/6 we have to include visits to fronts - Belarus, -- Baranovichi, and Mogilev. in 1910 NII visited Riga too.  ;-)
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« Reply #46 on: June 29, 2009, 07:54:02 PM »
I will add a bit of information on the Grand Tour, though there are some differences over dates (I am using the old calendar, following contemporary accounts). I also use old names and locations, as we are dealing with what Nicholas experienced in his era - e.g. Trieste is in Austria and was its bustling naval headquarters; he wouldn't have had any reason to visit a minor Italian port

More in a while; it is quite tiring to assemble all this!       Janet Ashton:

23   March 1890 Mathilde's Kschessinska's graduation

17   July 1890  Krasnoe Selo

October 1890 : leaves Gatchina 23rd for tour of East etc
                      Austria:  Vienna
                                  Trieste (rendezvous with George Alexandrovich; departure for Greece)

 7  November  1890  Italy - Trieste (departure for Greece)
     November  1890  Greece: Olympia

                                     Athens - to pick up Prince George of Greece (departed, Nov. 7th)

                          Egypt: Cairo
                                  
                                    Nile Cruise through Luxor, the Valley of the Kings, etc as far as Aswan

                                    Memphis

                                    Suez
                        
                                    Aden

                            
December 18::   India     Bombay  (mow Mumbai)
                                   Elephanta (Hindu temples)
                                   Roaza (hunting), Dalautabad, Ellora (temples)
                                   Gujerat: Ahmedabad, Palanpur (Islamic culture)
                                   Rajputana: Jodhour, Ajmer, Jaipur, Alwar (temples and fortresses of the Rajput warrior caste)
                                   Delhi


January 1891: India still:
                                   Punjab: Lahore, Amritsar, Mathura, Sikranda (Sikh temples and monuments and the remnants of Moghuls i                                   including theTaj Mahal)


                                    
                                  
                                  
                                  



                                   Gwalior
                                   Kanpur  (memorials to the 1857 mutiny)
                                   Benares  (holiest city)
                                   Calcutta (British capital)
                                   Bombay (to say goodbye to George, who was sick)
                                   Madras
                                   Trichinopoly (temples)
                                   Madura (before departing for Ceylon)


                          
                                   Sri Lanka (known as Ceylon) - Colombo - Kandy (Temple of the Tooth) -  Nuwara Eliya (Queen's Cottage) -                                                                            Urudogawatta

                              Singapore

                              Indonesia - Batavia (now known as Jakarta)

         March  1891   Siam  (now known as Thailand) - Bangkok

                             Vietnam - Saigon

                             Hong Kong

                             Japan - Tokyo, Nagasaki, Kyoto

29  April 1891         Japan - Otsu

31  May  1891        Vladivostok - to lay the corner stone of the Trans Siberian Railway passenger station

4    August 1891    Krasnoe Selo to be reunited with his parents after the saber incident

10  March 1892     Ballet School Graduation

11 March 1892      first visit to MK's house nearby Krasnoe Selo

16 March 1892      St Petersburg

13 January 1893    Berlin for Margaret's wedding (to sound Alix out - he didn't get to talk to her)

13 March 1893      Crimea

20 June 1893       London, for George and Mary's wedding

10 August 1893    Denmark

2 April 1894          Coburg for Ducky and Ernst's wedding (and to pester Alix)

20 April 1894        Betrothal to Alix announced

03 June 1894       England

     July 1894       St Petersburg

14 November 1894 Marriage to Alexandra

15 November 1895  birth of Olga Nicholaevna

14  May 1986  Coronation


1896  Aug.     Austria/Hungary (Vienna)
         Sept.    Denmark (Copenhagen)
         Sept/Oct   Great Britain  (Aberdeen, Balmoral)
         Oct.      France  (Paris, Versailles)
         Oct.      Germany (Darmstadt)

1901  Sept.    France  (Compiegne)
                    Denmark (Copenhagen)

1903             Hesse - Darmstadt - (for the wedding of Alice of Battenberg)

                    Austria - Viennia -  Muerzsteg -

                    Germany - Wiesbaden - Skienewice  (little Elizabeth of Hesse died)

1909   July     Germany   (Kiel)
                    France     (Cherbourg)
                    England  - Cowes Regatta
        
          Oct.    Italy (Racconigi)

1910  July      England - Cowes Regatta


1910   Aug.   Germany (Friedburg, Darmstadt, Hamburg, Potsdam)

                    Latvia - (Riga)

1913  May     Germany (Berlin)

1914   June   Romania (Constanza)

1915             Baranovichi  (Stavka)
                    Sebastopool
     in the  end of December Nicholas leaves to new city of Russian Headquarters near the Dnieper River bank - Mogilev, returns back to Tsarskoe Selo in the spring of 1916.

1916            Mogilev   (Stavka)
  
 May 16th      Evpatoria (South Crimea)


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Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
« Reply #47 on: July 05, 2009, 04:50:25 AM »
From the post #47:
Trieste is in Austria and was its bustling naval headquarters; he wouldn't have had any reason to visit a minor Italian port

Precisely, Trieste was under the Austro-ungharian domination, but actually is not Austria at all, is in the Italian north-east region of Friuli-Venezia Giulia, and is more close to Slovenia.


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« Reply #48 on: July 05, 2009, 05:58:58 AM »
From the post #47:
Trieste is in Austria and was its bustling naval headquarters; he wouldn't have had any reason to visit a minor Italian port

Precisely, Trieste was under the Austro-ungharian domination, but actually is not Austria at all, is in the Italian north-east region of Friuli-Venezia Giulia, and is more close to Slovenia.



Hi,
   I felt after I posted it that I should have phrased that differently, as someone would likely misunderstand it. My sentence is supposed to indicate "according to my chronology, Trieste is in Austria". I mean to say that it doesn't matter to the chronology where anywhere is now, because he visited them for their status and position then. Its exact status in 1890 was still a Free Port of the Empire (it was this status which enabled it to become so important), and the province was the Austrian Littoral, of which it was the capital - indeed, most of the Littoral and Trieste's historic hinterland is now Slovenia, which was in 1890 the Austrian provinces of Karniola (Krain), parts of Styria (Steiermark), etc.

Anyway, here is some more of the Grand tour: -

 
  January 30th: Tuticorin, India (for departure to Ceylon).
  
  February: Sri Lanka (then known to Europeans as Ceylon): Colombo, Kandy (Temple of the Tooth),  Nuwara Eliya (Queen's Cottage, for hunting,                                                                            
                         Urudogawatta,
              Singapore

              Indonesia (the Dutch East Indies):  Batavia (now known as Jakarta), Bogor (colonial hill station), Papandayan (volcano), Bandung (ancient  
                           capital)

  March 1891: Siam  (now known as Thailand): Bangkok, Bang-pa-in (summer palace), Ayuthaya (ancient capital; there are loads of different  
                                       ways to spell this and I am not yet sure which is considered correct now)

                             Vietnam (French Indo-China): Saigon

                             Hong Kong
 
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Re: Chronology of the Travels of Nicholas II as Tsar and Tsarevich
« Reply #49 on: July 05, 2009, 06:15:00 AM »
Hi,
   I felt after I posted it that I should have phrased that differently, as someone would likely misunderstand it. My sentence is supposed to indicate "according to my chronology, Trieste is in Austria". I mean to say that it doesn't matter to the chronology where anywhere is now, because he visited them for their status and position then. Its exact status in 1890 was still a Free Port of the Empire (it was this status which enabled it to become so important), and the province was the Austrian Littoral, of which it was the capital - indeed, most of the Littoral and Trieste's historic hinterland is now Slovenia, which was in 1890 the Austrian provinces of Karniola (Krain), parts of Styria (Steiermark), etc.

Oh I understand now, thanks for the clarification...perhaps I would have done better to indicate Trieste as still part of the Austro-ungharian Empire and not as Italian city.

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« Reply #50 on: July 05, 2009, 08:38:07 AM »
From the post #47:
Trieste is in Austria and was its bustling naval headquarters; he wouldn't have had any reason to visit a minor Italian port

Precisely, Trieste was under the Austro-ungharian domination, but actually is not Austria at all, is in the Italian north-east region of Friuli-Venezia Giulia, and is more close to Slovenia.


Trieste is exactly on border in between Italy and Slovenia.  Next to town Koper, which lying in Slovenia.

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« Reply #51 on: July 05, 2009, 09:39:12 AM »
Janet - Thank you for all your help!  I am cutting and pasting to try to keep us in chronological order.




23   March 1890 Mathilde's Kschessinska's graduation

17   July 1890  Krasnoe Selo

October 1890 : leaves Gatchina 23rd for tour of East etc
                      Austria:  Vienna
                                  Trieste (rendezvous with George Alexandrovich; departure for Greece)

 7  November  1890  Italy - Trieste (departure for Greece)
     November  1890  Greece: Olympia

                                     Athens - to pick up Prince George of Greece (departed, Nov. 7th)

                          Egypt: Cairo
                                  
                                    Nile Cruise through Luxor, the Valley of the Kings, etc as far as Aswan

                                    Memphis

                                    Suez
                        
                                    Aden

                            
December 18::   India     Bombay  (now Mumbai)
                                   Elephanta (Hindu temples)
                                   Roaza (hunting), Dalautabad, Ellora (temples)
                                   Gujerat: Ahmedabad, Palanpur (Islamic culture)
                                   Rajputana: Jodhour, Ajmer, Jaipur, Alwar (temples and fortresses of the Rajput warrior caste)
                                   Delhi


January 1891: India still:
                                   Punjab: Lahore, Amritsar, Mathura, Sikranda (Sikh temples and monuments and the remnants of Moghuls i                                   including theTaj Mahal
                                   Gwalior
                                   Kanpur  (memorials to the 1857 mutiny)
                                   Benares  (holiest city)
                                   Calcutta (British capital)
                                   Bombay (to say goodbye to George, who was sick)
                                   Madras
                                   Trichinopoly (temples)
                                   Madura (before departing for Ceylon)

               January 30th: Tuticorin, India (for departure to Ceylon).
                          
                                   Sri Lanka (known as Ceylon) - Colombo - Kandy (Temple of the Tooth) -  Nuwara Eliya (Queen's Cottage) -                                                                            Urudogawatta

                              Singapore

                             Indonesia (the Dutch East Indies):  Batavia (now known as Jakarta), Bogor (colonial hill station), Papandayan (volcano), Bandung (ancient capital)


         March  1891:    Siam  (now known as Thailand): Bangkok, Bang-pa-in (summer palace), Ayuthaya (ancient capital; there are loads of different ways to spell this and I am not yet sure which is correct now)

                             Vietnam (French Indo China) - Saigon

                             Hong Kong

                             Japan - Tokyo, Nagasaki, Kyoto

29  April 1891         Japan - Otsu

31  May  1891        Vladivostok - to lay the corner stone of the Trans Siberian Railway passenger station

4    August 1891    Krasnoe Selo to be reunited with his parents after the saber incident

10  March 1892     Ballet School Graduation

11 March 1892      first visit to MK's house nearby Krasnoe Selo

16 March 1892      St Petersburg

13 January 1893    Berlin for Margaret's wedding (to sound Alix out - he didn't get to talk to her)

13 March 1893      Crimea

20 June 1893       London, for George and Mary's wedding

10 August 1893    Denmark

2 April 1894          Coburg for Ducky and Ernst's wedding (and to pester Alix)

20 April 1894        Betrothal to Alix announced

03 June 1894       England

     July 1894       St Petersburg

14 November 1894 Marriage to Alexandra

15 November 1895  birth of Olga Nicholaevna

14  May 1986  Coronation


1896  Aug.     Austria/Hungary (Vienna)
         Sept.    Denmark (Copenhagen)
         Sept/Oct   Great Britain  (Aberdeen, Balmoral)
         Oct.      France  (Paris, Versailles)
         Oct.      Germany (Darmstadt)

1901  Sept. 18-21    France  (Compiegne)
                    Denmark (Copenhagen)

1903             Hesse - Darmstadt - (for the wedding of Alice of Battenberg)

                    Austria - Viennia -  Muerzsteg -

                    Germany - Wiesbaden - Skienewice  (little Elizabeth of Hesse died)

1909   July     Germany   (Kiel)
                    France     (Cherbourg)
                    England  - Cowes Regatta
        
          Oct.    Italy (Racconigi)

1910  July      England - Cowes Regatta


1910   Aug.   Germany (Friedburg, Darmstadt, Hamburg, Potsdam)

                    Latvia - (Riga)

1913  May     Germany (Berlin)

1914   June   Romania (Constanza)

1915             Baranovichi  (Stavka)
                    Sebastopool
     in the  end of December Nicholas leaves to new city of Russian Headquarters near the Dnieper River bank - Mogilev, returns back to Tsarskoe Selo in the spring of 1916.

1916            Mogilev   (Stavka)
  
 May 16th      Evpatoria (South Crimea)


  
 
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« Reply #52 on: July 07, 2009, 02:11:05 AM »
 I am excited about the Tsar's visit to Ceylon - since I am from Sri Lanka , I am trying to find out more about the visit itself, the places visited. There's also a record, I am told, of a Romanov visiting the island in 1901, wonder who that was. Not Nicholas but perhaps a Grand Duke - shall dig up. 

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« Reply #53 on: July 13, 2009, 07:08:44 AM »
I returned from the isle of wight at the end of last week, so I am slightly out of sync with the tzar's chronology. Whilst there I took the liberty of contacting the offices of the county press, the islands local newspaper, enquiring if they were running a feature commemorating the 100th anniversary. As yet I've had no reply to my enquiry.

I am now back in northern parts, so could any UK southern based members or non members for that matter monitor the situation. The paper is issued every friday, so our possible target dates are, the 17th, 24th, & 31st of july taking us right up to regatta week.

The story of the tzar's visit to cowes on our main page is enchanting, though I feel there is more out there. The county press archives must be bursting at the seams with nice juicy information on this subject. So lets hope for the best.
   

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« Reply #54 on: July 15, 2009, 09:44:58 AM »
I was contacted today by the county press, a feature is being prepared. As yet no details of when it will appear.

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« Reply #55 on: July 21, 2009, 12:34:06 PM »
Alixz, are you using  the Russian or Western dates? I am about ready to start tackling the diaries and will start listing what I find. As there are about  one thousand pages [fortunately, he was writing a novel and was not really much of a writer] this is going to be a post-in-progress. Also, they are loose pages, not bound, computer-translated from the Russian. I will list just dates & names, no comments. I do not trust the translations well enough.
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« Reply #56 on: July 21, 2009, 01:53:32 PM »
I am using Russian dates.  Thank you for offering to help with this.  I had no idea that Nicholas traveled as extensively as he did both before and after his coronation.

Actually, I never asked the others who are helping out and posting with this what dates they are using.  I just assumed they were Russian.
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« Reply #57 on: July 22, 2009, 07:20:40 AM »
More news of the Co Press feature, but it isn't good news. The piece will be in the "looking back" section only, this usually consists of 3 to 4 paragraphs at the very most. The reason for the shortness I am told is because of the lack of celebrations. This I feel just about sums up the mood of the whole island, one of general disintrest in the anniversary.

Yes this visit occurred 100 years ago but it was also one of the biggest events to take place on the island during those 100 years. I personally think they have all missed the bus on this one. It would have made excellent copy, & soon the opportunity will be lost forever. I did try.

Nevertheless they all seem nice people at the Co Press, & I would like to thank them for having the patience for listening & replying to my rambling e-mails.

Anyway gripe over. At least I had a nice hol, & I may get some posts out of it. That is once I can decipher how to post my pic's.

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« Reply #58 on: July 22, 2009, 01:45:27 PM »
This is just the first of about  one thousand pages to go through.  So, it will be a long process-
 to reiterate, the translations are computer generated- I cannot vouch for  spellings.
 I am going to try and avoid comment, except when I am am very sure of something.  For intance, Stavka was mobile, so locations vary for that.
 These start in 1916 and are not in any chronological order, so they  may jump about as far as dates. I have not read it all, so have no idea what may come up that we not already know. And as for the dates, I do not know which are used.  This being published by the Soviets, they had changed to the  Gregorian calendar, but Nicholas used the Julian in his diaries.  Perhaps someone  can co-ordinate ?
  From the first page- this caveat- DIARY OF NIKOLAI II  Text is printed on the publication: Red Archive 1927....without any notes from the original....stored in TSGADOR-Central State Archive.

1916 16 Dec. Orsha. breakfast with 3 Englishmen, Frenchmen  and even 3 rumyi [?]  Aleksey played.
 17 Dec.  Always in the railroad car. Tea with staff, conference.
 18 Dec. report of Lukomskogo. then to session with glavnokmand {?}
 19 Dec. Always in railroad car with Aleksei and daughters, then they went home.  Protopofov at dinner.
 20 Dec.....daytime with children. Trepova,
21 Dec.  ENTIRE family, photographs. Then BURIAL of Rasputin. [grigoriya] Reports from Shakovskogo & Ignatiev.
 22 Dec.  Sandro. Patron Saint Day of Anastasia.  Mordvinov.  Protopoopv,  Pokrovski.
 23 Dec. Voyeykov then the barge [? in December??]  Protopopov.
  24 Dec.  with daughters to end of mass  & vespers. Breakfast Sabin. V. kochubeya. Dinner with Anya & N. p. zanimalsy
25 Dec. Mass 2 hrs.  Regiments. 5pm Protopopov. Family of deceased Grigory [evening] in Ani. [?, but I assume AV cottage]
 26 Dec.  morning- Grigorovicha & Rittikha.  Railroad regiment sang chorus.  Jaunt with children and dinner with Mordvinov.
 27 Dec. reports Shuvayeva & Bulygina.

 If anyone is interested, I will contimue this.  It is impossible to spell check, so you get what I can come up with!

 
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« Reply #59 on: July 22, 2009, 06:36:58 PM »
Help with Russian:

'glavnokmand ' -- commander in chief

' 3 rumyi' -- 3 Romanians.

Orsha is railway- station. Yes, Stvaka locations vary, but we can be sure that is today Belarus Region, surrounded around Mogilev. Sorry for interruptions.

I think main visitings have to be mentioned, rather to some Front - Hospital ones. Just IMO. However, I may check NII's 1916 travels in details.
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