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Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
« Reply #45 on: May 10, 2009, 03:03:22 AM »
Can I ask why he is your favourite? : ) Handsome?

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Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
« Reply #46 on: May 10, 2009, 11:50:12 AM »
I don´t know. He was so weird :)

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Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
« Reply #47 on: May 10, 2009, 05:08:42 PM »
Young Albert and Margarethe Klementine:




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Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
« Reply #48 on: May 20, 2009, 02:58:25 PM »
Here is an article about Gloria and her castle.





 Above the heads you can see a detail of a Helene portait. Theres is a little picture near Albert, could it be Elisabeth or Helene?

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Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
« Reply #49 on: May 21, 2009, 02:38:51 PM »
Two paintings from Margit




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Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
« Reply #50 on: May 29, 2009, 08:13:36 PM »
Her mother looks great for her age...what kind of relations does "the family" have with Countess Anabel von Schönburg-Glauchau,Gloria's half-sister?

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Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
« Reply #51 on: May 30, 2009, 02:23:24 AM »
Her mother looks great for her age...what kind of relations does "the family" have with Countess Anabel von Schönburg-Glauchau,Gloria's half-sister?

Once there was a series about royal persons living in Bavaria in our regional newspaper. One of these articles was dedicated to Anabel who was also interviewed due to this occasion. She told that she was in contact with Gloria, but not regularly. When she was younger she sometimes went on vacation with Gloria and her children.
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Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
« Reply #52 on: May 30, 2009, 05:10:08 AM »
I hope that there is in a few years a new princess of Thurn und Taxis. An older article http://www.focus.de/panorama/boulevard/thurn-und-taxis_aid_136925.html




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Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
« Reply #53 on: May 30, 2009, 07:50:36 AM »
Great photos and lovely portaits in the schloss...I also find interesting an article about the relationship between Albert and Gloria...she wanted to teach them about real life,which is great...maybe she still remembers that her family lost everything and she was just a ''normal'' person before her marriage!

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Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
« Reply #55 on: November 01, 2009, 06:01:11 AM »
Love those new images...thank you!First time I see a portrait of Margarethe...she had rather strong features and great personality...Don't know that much about Gutav and Caroline though

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Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
« Reply #56 on: November 02, 2009, 11:24:05 AM »
Based on your contributions in this forum and information from other sources, I launched a Wikipedia entry on Paul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_von_Thurn_und_Taxis). Looking forward to your contributions to further improve the page. Best wishes, Allan

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Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
« Reply #57 on: November 03, 2009, 03:27:32 AM »
The letters of Paul to Ludwig are all cited from Desmond Chapman-Huston’s book. He lived in Bavaria in the 1930s and became close to María del Pilar Princess of Bavaria (1891–1987), daughter of Ludwig Ferdinand of Bavaria of Bavaria. Through this connection to the Wittelsbach Family, he was able to get access to the Secret Archives before they were heavily destroyed during World War II.

Chapman-Huston went also to the Regensburg Archives of the Thurn und Taxis Family, but couldn’t find any trace of Paul there (see page 42 of his book).

Some references to Paul can be found in the letter exchanges between Ludwig and Cosima Wagner, with Ludwig calling once Paul’s wife as ‘ugly’, although in other references she was cited as very beautiful.

I doubt that Heinrich is really Paul’s son since his birth date is June 30, 1867, but Edir Grein mentioned that both met in middle of November 1866 only. Heinrich was obviously left behind with his father when Elise eloped with a Prussian officer in 1878:

“Now among the mediatized princes, no member of the reigning house may marry without the consent of the Family Council. A good many years later, in the winter of 1877-8, we were at Freiburg. At the theatre the prima donna was a Frau von Fels. Her husband was actually a Prince Thurn u. Taxis. He had fallen in love with a Jewess who sang in the Opera, and only obtained leave of his family to marry her, on condition that he renounced his title and name, and agreed that his children, if any, should have no claims on the family estates. He agreed to these harsh terms and married her. After a while he fell into a decline, and went with her to Lugano, where he grew worse, and took to his bed. She formed a liaison with a Prussian officer, staying at the same hotel, and eloped with him, leaving her husband, who had given up so much for her, to die unbefriended, and her little son—motherless” Early Reminiscences, Baring-Gould http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Early_Reminiscences.djvu/80

Baring-Gould mentions her again in his “Further Reminiscences 1864 to 1894 “
…(Freiburg, 1877)….Acting in the theatre as a prima donna was a Frau von Fels. She was a handsome Jewess. Herr von Fels was actually a Prince of Thurn und Taxis, but forfeited his title so as to marry her. I have told the story in the fifth chapter of my Early Reminiscences .  She exacted from her husband that, whenever she acted, he should throw a bouqet on to the stage at her feet, and get his friends to do the same. “

Earlier, Paul tried to get rehabilitated by his family and visited his father together with his wife on August 3, 1869 (http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/anno?apm=0&aid=nfp&datum=18690811&seite=14&zoom=2
newspaper clipping from Vienna), but obviously to no avail.

I found another newspaper clipping of 1874 (from New Zealand!), which states that Helene of Thurn und Taxis tries to connect Paul to Ludwig again for him to become the future Marshal of the Royal Palace and Master of the Revels of castle Herrenchiemsee, but obviously this didn’t push through (see http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=BH18741204.2.4&l=mi&e=-------10--1----0-all for the whole article).

I was able to trace his grave site in Cannes, but unfortunately, the grave was abandoned in 1998. I tried to investigate who paid for the grave and maintained it over the years, but wasn’t given an answer since I am not a family member.

There are many more traces of Paul still to be discovered.

I am deeply touched by the story of his live – he became a victim of Ludwig’s erratic and immature emotional condition, a victim of his family who deprived him of his name and title,  and - in the end - a victim of his wife who - despite of all the sacrifices he suffered for her - abandoned him in the final weeks of his life when he needed her most.

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Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
« Reply #58 on: November 03, 2009, 03:25:21 PM »
I am also interested in the Other Helene of Thurn & Taxis, who was a cousin of Paul and lady-in-waiting of Sisi.

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Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line, Part 2
« Reply #59 on: November 12, 2009, 06:09:11 PM »
Last Saturday Princess Elisabeth von Thurn und Taxis attended the German television show 'Wetten, dass..?' to promote her book 'Fromm!' - unfortunately nobody has ever mentioned the title.








Ich aber breite trauernd aus
die weiten weissen Schwingen,
Und kehr' ins Feenreich nach Haus -
Nichts soll mich wieder bringen.


Elisabeth