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Offline Yseult

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Hardenberg
« on: April 11, 2007, 04:55:02 AM »
I need your help to find information and pictures about Karl August von Hardenberg, the famous prussian chancellor, his three wives -specially the first of them, Juliane countess Reventlow- and his children -specially his daughter Lucie Anne, reichsgräffin von Papenheim through a first marriage, and fürstin von Pückler-Muskau through a second marriage.
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Re: Hardenberg
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2007, 11:24:10 AM »
This may not be eactly what you were looking for, but his diaries and some memoirs have been published in the Deutsche Geschichtsquellen des 19. und 20. Jahrhunderts  series:
Karl August von Hardenberg 1750-1822 - Tagebücher und autobiographische Aufzeichnungen
Editor : Thomas von Stamm-Kuhlmann
Verlag :  R. Oldenbourg
ISBN :  978-3-486-56277-4
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"The Correspondence of the Empress Alexandra of Russia with Ernst Ludwig and Eleonore, Grand Duke and Duchess of Hesse. 1878-1916"  -  http://www.bod.de/index.php?id=296&objk_
"Grand Duke Ernst Ludwig and Princess Alix of Hesse and by Rhine in Italy - 1893"

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Re: Hardenberg
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2007, 06:21:54 PM »
Thank you, Helen, but...I don´t know a single word in german! Well, to say the true, I know just a word: danke!
If anyone can provide information about the Hardenberg family, I will be so pleased.

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Re: Hardenberg
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2007, 01:12:40 AM »
I cannot tell you anything about this man. What I do wonder, however, is whether Kuno, Count von Hardenberg, who came to work as Hofmarschall  (Lord Chamberlain of the Household??) at the court of Hesse-Darmstadt shortly before WWI was a descendant or in any other way related to Karl August von Hardenberg.
"The Correspondence of the Empress Alexandra of Russia with Ernst Ludwig and Eleonore, Grand Duke and Duchess of Hesse. 1878-1916"  -  http://www.bod.de/index.php?id=296&objk_
"Grand Duke Ernst Ludwig and Princess Alix of Hesse and by Rhine in Italy - 1893"

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Re: Hardenberg
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2007, 09:01:07 AM »
He must have been from countly branch of Hardenbergs since Princely line is extinct in male line!I just know that Countess Julie von Hardenberg(her husband was not a Prince at that time and was ambassador in England) caused a scandal in Great Britain because of her affaire with George IV(at that time Prince if I am not mistaken)...I am not sure but I think tht that was the reason for their divorce...

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Re: Hardenberg
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2007, 09:11:11 AM »
Btw,who were his other wives?

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Re: Hardenberg
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2007, 01:38:06 PM »
I don't have much time, so here is just a link to an english written websource.

http://encyclopedia.jrank.org/HAN_HEG/HARDENBERG_KARL_AUGUST_VON_PRIN.html

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Re: Hardenberg
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2007, 05:38:55 PM »
He must have been from countly branch of Hardenbergs since Princely line is extinct in male line!I just know that Countess Julie von Hardenberg(her husband was not a Prince at that time and was ambassador in England) caused a scandal in Great Britain because of her affaire with George IV(at that time Prince if I am not mistaken)...I am not sure but I think tht that was the reason for their divorce...

You´re talking about the first wife of Karl August von Hardenberg: Juliane Frederika Christiane, countess Reventlow. In 1774, when she was just fifteen years old, she was married to Karl August. To say the true, Karl August married her by his father´s desire, not by his own desire. The marriage was not a succesful one: the countess bore him a son and a daughter, named Lucie, later princess Pückler-Muskau, but at the end it was a great scandal when she was involved with the Prince of Wales, Prinny.

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Re: Hardenberg
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2007, 09:17:34 AM »
Totally off-topic,ofcourse,but there is a dutch branch of the Hardenberg family.One of the then Princess Juliana's "classmates" at Huis ten Bosch Palace during WWI was Elisa van Hardenberg,who remained a life long friend. :)
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Re: Hardenberg
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2007, 09:54:20 AM »
Thanks for the information. Off-topic it may be, but it's interesting to know that the Von/Van Hardenberg family had connections both with Grand-Duke Ernst Ludwig of Hesse and with our late queen. :)
"The Correspondence of the Empress Alexandra of Russia with Ernst Ludwig and Eleonore, Grand Duke and Duchess of Hesse. 1878-1916"  -  http://www.bod.de/index.php?id=296&objk_
"Grand Duke Ernst Ludwig and Princess Alix of Hesse and by Rhine in Italy - 1893"

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Re: Hardenberg
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2007, 11:50:10 AM »
Thanks for the information. Off-topic it may be, but it's interesting to know that the Von/Van Hardenberg family had connections both with Grand-Duke Ernst Ludwig of Hesse and with our late queen. :)

Blame it to "old age" Helen,but I made a mistake,sorry,it was not Elisa Hardenberg,but Elisabeth Hardenbroeck....
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Re: Hardenberg
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2007, 12:43:27 PM »
Never mind.  ;)
"The Correspondence of the Empress Alexandra of Russia with Ernst Ludwig and Eleonore, Grand Duke and Duchess of Hesse. 1878-1916"  -  http://www.bod.de/index.php?id=296&objk_
"Grand Duke Ernst Ludwig and Princess Alix of Hesse and by Rhine in Italy - 1893"

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Re: Hardenberg
« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2007, 02:26:01 AM »
Don't forget Archduke Ferdinand married Css Katharina von Hardenberg in 1999. I have a note that she is descended from George II of GB by Amelie von Wedt, Countess of Yarmouth