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Gradn Duke Friedrich I of Baden and his family
« on: October 25, 2004, 09:49:51 AM »
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Only daughter (and only other child) of William I and Augusta

Married Grand Duke Frederick 'Fritz' of Baden very happily and they celebrated their 'Silberhochziet' (50th anniversary)

Relations (at least in the beginning were very good) but often soured over matchmaking. Louise apparently wanted to be consulted in some of the potential wives for the Prince of Wales (as it was assumed she be German). She had hopes that her brother-in-law William would marry Princess Alice but Vicky recommended against it to QV as she didn't find him very promising. Her son was the potential prince put forward by Empress Augusta to Elizabeth of Hesse who rejected him thus antagonizing both women. (QV referred to him as 'good Fritz Baden' and hoped Ella would accept him--he later married Hilda of Nassau). They were also irritated that he wasn't considered for Irene. QV blamed Louise and Fritz (Sr) for hurrying on and pressuring Louis & Ella. This caused some discord between Vicky and áLouis as she thought he showed 'a want of openness' on this issue. A major beach occured over Sandra & Moretta as Louise was in the camp which opposed the match.

They also quarreled over Countess Blucher. Vicky wanted her as part of her court as she was a 'Baron [Stockmar] in petticoats' and capable of standing up for them. She was very in line with Vicky's view on the world and she was 'a Prussian and an Englishwoman'. Louise wanted her too and says she should be at her court because she lived at Baden.

Vicky expressed the view that in light of the constant (and acrimonious) bickering between William & Augusta that she was glad that Louise lived far enough away that she didn't have to bear witness anymore to the upsetting scenes the way she and Fritz did.

Was much beloved in Baden for her many charitable endeavors, especially Red Cross work during WW1 despite her advanced age.

When Sophie apparently compared the length of her mother's letters and the habit of peppering them with questions designed to elicit lengthy replies Vicky responds:
'I am much flattered to be compared to Aunt Louise of Baden! The difference, you see, is that _she_ asks questions because it is a habit and she cannot help it, because it is her way of making conversation, and because she loves meddling in other people's affairs and making herself important. I do not quite think that _my_ reasons are the same!'

Was apparently pretty unkind and unsympathetic to Vicky during Fritz's illness and much in the camp of William and close to Dona.

Vicky lamented that (her) Fritz and Louise weren't closer as they were each other's only sibling and should've been brought closer together by their parents' bad behavior but instead it seems to have made them unable to express their feelings openly to each other. Vicky compared this to her own close (if occassionally bickering) relationship with her own siblings.
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Re: Gradn Duke Friedrich I of Baden and his family
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2004, 11:46:03 PM »
I think that given the very antipathy felt between Wilhelm I and Augusta, it was nothing short than a miracle that their children Friedrich III and Luise of Baden, turned out as well as they did.

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Re: Gradn Duke Friedrich I of Baden and his family
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2004, 09:58:10 AM »
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I think that given the very antipathy felt between Wilhelm I and Augusta, it was nothing short than a miracle that their children Friedrich III and Luise of Baden, turned out as well as they did.

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It was either QV or Vicky (or both) who remarked that Fritz especially enjoyed the closeness of the British RF (esp before Albert died) as it was something he'd never experienced it.
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Re: Gradn Duke Friedrich I of Baden and his family
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2005, 05:58:15 AM »
Grandduchessella,you wrote that Grand Duchess Louise von Baden and Vicky quarreled about Countess Bluecher?Is this Countess Marie Larisch von Moennich,later Princess Bluecher von Wahlstatt(wife of Prince Gebhard Bluecher von Wahstatt),or some other Countess or even Princess(in this case wife of a head of the family) you are writing about?I am very interested who was that smar and educated countess?

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Re: Gradn Duke Friedrich I of Baden and his family
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2005, 12:44:43 PM »
Countess Blucher was actually an Englishwoman, Madeline Dallas, daughter of a High Court judge. She was friends with QV. She married Count Gustavus Blucher who was the grandson of Prince Blucher. (I don't know the details of how they met or their marriage). The Countess was actually attached to the household of the Princess of Prussia (I'm not sure exactly who this was--Augusta, Luise or someone else) rather than the Princess Royal. Because she was English and friendly with QV, Vicky understandably wanted her to be attached to her household.
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Re: Gradn Duke Friedrich I of Baden and his family
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2005, 06:26:35 PM »
Aaaa,that very useful info.She had on daughter,Countess Justine Bluecher von Wahlstatt who married Count Max von Shmettow.Isn't it?GdElla,do you know what kind of status did the Bluecher von Wahlstatt family had?Were they considered ebenbuertig(had the same status as some mediatized families) or not?

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Re: Gradn Duke Friedrich I of Baden and his family
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2005, 01:15:11 AM »
No, I'm sorry I don't.  :(  I only have the info that's available in the book of Queen Victoria and Vicky's letters. I can search around though--footnotes are often very helpful!
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Re: Gradn Duke Friedrich I of Baden and his family
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2005, 09:04:40 AM »
Thanks,If you find any info(or anyone else) please post it.I am very courious about Bluecher von Wahlstatt family...and its position in the German Empire

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« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2005, 11:32:10 AM »
That is an interesting branch, Marc. I'll see what I can dig up too. Any branch that links to Vicky is always quite interesting.  :)
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Re: Gradn Duke Friedrich I of Baden and his family
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2005, 12:48:23 PM »


Luise was very active in the Red Cross, even through WW1 when she was very elderly. She also maintained contacts with the other branches of the Hohenzollern family and can be seen as a guest at King Manuel of Portugal's wedding to Augusta of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen after his exile. She was always in mourning--black, white or gray--after her widowhood. She seems to have had a very happy marriage and celebrating (with great fanfare in Baden) her Golden Anniversary.

There are also several photos of her late in life with her Swedish family (Queen Victoria of Sweden being her daughter), including one of the multi-generational photos of Luise, Victoria and Lennart (Marie must've been gone by then).
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« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2005, 03:04:50 PM »
Thanks GDella! In the 1907 golden anniversary photo, Luise and husband looked fantastic. She is very queen Victoria-ish. That is a huge tiara! Is this item known? Also, what is the S initial referring to?
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« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2005, 09:20:14 PM »
Thanks. This tiara looks different than the big one in the anniversary pic; she must have had many. Luise's photos seem as if she is much more bejeweled than other Germans. Was she the Queen Mary of the Hohenzollern?  ;)
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Re: Gradn Duke Friedrich I of Baden and his family
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2005, 10:14:04 PM »
I don't know--it can be hard to find a lot of good images of the lesser-known royals.  :(  I do know that some of the Swedish royal jewels came through her daughter Victoria as wedding presents when she married the future Gustav V including a really nice fringe one that Crown Princess Victoria wears.

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Re: Gradn Duke Friedrich I of Baden and his family
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2005, 07:39:18 AM »
Still nothing about Bluecher von Wahlstatt family?  :( I tried to find it in the web but all they have(infos and pictures) are the ones of the first Prince,I think his name was Gebhard Lebrecht Bluecher von Wahlstatt!Some more info or even a pic of any other family member?

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Re: Gradn Duke Friedrich I of Baden and his family
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2005, 06:10:00 AM »
I know that I am boring with this  :( but I want to find out more about the stand of Bluecher von Wahstatt family in German Empire,and to know much more of its family members(except first Prince Gebhard Bluecher about whom I wound a lot of things on the web)...Can anyone enlighten me about this,plese?  :)