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Offline JM

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Re: Felix Yusupov and Grand Duke Dmitriy Pavlovitch
« Reply #30 on: April 02, 2004, 03:58:52 PM »
I agree with Reed.

Besides, this is a discussion site. For discussion. We are entitled to talk about whatever we want, regardless of "speculation".

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Re: Felix Yusupov and Grand Duke Dmitriy Pavlovitch
« Reply #31 on: April 02, 2004, 05:02:06 PM »
Hello!,

So glad I found this site.  I've always been intrigued about Nicholas and Alexandra...

I'm currently reading Lost Aplendor: The Amazing Memoirs of the Man Who Killed Rasputin - by Prince Felix Youssoupoff.  He literally has me reading between the lines, regarding his sexuality...anyway...

I'm still trying to understand what relationship he was to the Csar.  Can anyone give me a good breakdown.  Also, any websites that offer a  Russian Royal family tree.  Yes, I already have the Queen Victoria lineage..

Thanks for you help!

GREAT SITE!

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Re: Felix Yusupov and Grand Duke Dmitriy Pavlovitch
« Reply #32 on: April 02, 2004, 05:06:40 PM »
Felix was related to the Tsar only by marriage...Irina, Felix's wife, was the Tsar's niece.  I believe that is correct.

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« Reply #33 on: April 02, 2004, 05:36:29 PM »
Thanks Reed,

But I'm looking for more of a breakdown of names. I guess I should try re-wording the question.

Where can I find a Yussupov family tree...

Thanks
Carol

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Re: Felix Yusupov and Grand Duke Dmitriy Pavlovitch
« Reply #34 on: April 02, 2004, 06:02:56 PM »
There are several experts who are on this site.  Greg King may be the one to ask.  Just finished his book..The Man Who Killed Rasputin.  Excellent book, Greg!

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Re: Felix Yusupov and Grand Duke Dmitriy Pavlovitch
« Reply #35 on: April 06, 2004, 01:38:31 AM »
For me, Greg King's book on Prince F. F. Yusupov, "The man who killed Rasputin", was highly informative, and wonderful to read as well. There is also a detailed book (in French) about the Yusupov family, "Les Youssoupov", written by Jacques Ferrand and including splendid. I got both books through http://www.eurohistory.com/bookstore.htm

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Re: Felix Yusupov and Grand Duke Dmitriy Pavlovitch
« Reply #36 on: April 06, 2004, 06:27:05 PM »
For Calandon......Read Greg King's book The Man Who Killed Rasputin, it is simply wonderful, it says it all.   ..Arleen

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« Reply #37 on: April 06, 2004, 08:17:46 PM »
Thanks all..

I was fansinated reading  "Lost Splendor".

Will plan on reading Greg King's book to learn more about Prince Felix.


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Re: Felix Yusupov and Grand Duke Dmitriy Pavlovitch
« Reply #38 on: April 06, 2004, 11:22:41 PM »
A couple of things -

Jorge Saenz is far too modest! He's the author of A Poet Among the Romanovs, recently published by the European Royal History Journal. Good to see you post here!

I would also like to clarify that I was not in any way trying to limit discussion. I do think, however, that discussion should be responsible discussion. It was in that spirit that I pointed out that much of the discussion was very anachronistic, in that it did not reflect the situation of homosexuality in the time period. I was also pointing out that, unlike the situation with KR and his diaries, we have no clear information about the purported homosexuality of these people. They both have descendants. So, I think it behooves us to use some discretion in our discussions.

Just my opinions.

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Re: Felix Yusupov and Grand Duke Dmitriy Pavlovitch
« Reply #39 on: April 07, 2004, 01:10:06 AM »
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For Calandon......Read Greg King's book The Man Who Killed Rasputin, it is simply wonderful, it says it all.   ..Arleen


Thanks for the recommendation!  Though I should say my book on Felix certainly isn't the last word at all-in the ten years that have passed since I wrote it, I've learned far more about him than I ever suspected!

Greg King

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Re: Felix Yusupov and Grand Duke Dmitriy Pavlovitch
« Reply #40 on: April 07, 2004, 05:58:26 AM »
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Though I should say my book on Felix certainly isn't the last word at all-in the ten years that have passed since I wrote it, I've learned far more about him than I ever suspected!

Greg King


Well, it then should be great if you could publish an updated edition of your book, as it is a very good one !

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Re: Felix Yusupov and Grand Duke Dmitriy Pavlovitch
« Reply #41 on: April 07, 2004, 06:57:39 AM »
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Well, it then should be great if you could publish an updated edition of your book, as it is a very good one !


Unfortunately, authors rarely get a chance to do major updates on their work, especially something on someone like Felix (too expensive to change the typesetting).  It really only becomes a financial possibility if you write a substantially new book, which can then be published on its own.  I DO plan to re-write one of my books in the future and add in hundreds of pages of new material and unpublished letters, but that's on King Ludwig II of Bavaria, not the Romanovs.

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Re: Felix Yusupov and Grand Duke Dmitriy Pavlovitch
« Reply #42 on: April 07, 2004, 09:14:07 AM »
Greg, maybe you could fill US in with a few of the things you have learned about Felix.  This is another reason why we'all love the Romanovs so much, the material is never ending.  The mystery just keeps going on forever.
I read your book on King Ludwig of Bavaria, I got it at the library since I only buy Russian related books, but you made me interested in him, it was a good book!     ..Arleen

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Re: Felix Yusupov and Grand Duke Dmitriy Pavlovitch
« Reply #43 on: April 29, 2004, 05:13:18 AM »
Lisa I feel compelled to address your concern regarding any discussion regarding Felix's alleged sexual proclivities.  

With all due respect, any information that has been gleened over the years by various authors is information which is in the public domain. Much of our opinions are developed or influenced by what we choose to read. If there are suggestions made about Felix's personal life, then we should as individuals be also free to express these matters here in a sensitive fashion.

While considering your point that there may be living descendants who might be reading these words, with respect this is not relevant. If we all decided to be selective about any of these issues then this presents us with a form of censoreship.

Who then becomes the arbiter as to what issues may be sensitive to any existing Noble family?

These issues are not new, no startling information has been divulged which would present any undue ramifications. In fact may I suggest that Felix's sexuality does go to the core of his personality. If we are to understand his mentality in any clear way, we must be presented with all the facts as they are revealed and not choose to be selective.

No matter what personal opinions we have regarding homosexuality or transvestisism etc ... the behaviour did exist then, no matter whose glasses we choose to see it through. It persisted all levels of society, and as we are fully aware not even the Romanovs were immune.

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Re: Felix Yusupov and Grand Duke Dmitriy Pavlovitch
« Reply #44 on: April 29, 2004, 10:47:05 PM »
Wasn't F. F. himself who first wrote about his youth indiscretions? So, how could a relative complain about others repeating what he told?