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Offline Lolita

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The fact his dog survived and not Alexei is so weird.
« on: June 13, 2007, 10:13:25 AM »
That's just so wack

and also,i wonder what happened to the dog AFTER the assasination

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Re: The fact his dog survived and not Alexei is so weird.
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2007, 11:43:44 AM »
Joy was taken by a soldier and ended up in England on a farm.

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Re: The fact his dog survived and not Alexei is so weird.
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2007, 01:09:53 PM »
I don't think it's weird at all. Joy wasn't in the muder room at the time. Apparently when the whites arrived at the hose they found  Joy wondering around the yard half starving and blind (?). One of the whites must have taken her under his wing I presume because she ended up on a farm near Windsor, bless her!
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Re: The fact his dog survived and not Alexei is so weird.
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2007, 11:45:16 PM »
Is it true that Anastasia took Jemmy into the room with her? Recently, I heard that was just a rumor. Also, why didn't Aleksey bring Joy with him? I mean, it's good he didn't. At least someone survived, even if it was a dog. The Romanovs were woken up in the middle of the night, and told to get dressed. That usually means you're going somewhere. Why wouldn't Aleksey bring Joy with him?

Another thing, why was Joy half blind? Maybe instead of killing her, someone kicked her in the face or something?  :-\

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Re: The fact his dog survived and not Alexei is so weird.
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2007, 09:23:14 AM »
Why wouldn't Aleksey bring Joy with him?

Alexei was still hurt from sledding downstairs and couldn't walk so Nicholas had to carry him. The dog would have had to follow along, and maybe she didn't and they thought they'd get her later with their things. Or maybe the dog sensed danger and refused to go into the room?

I have heard stories about Ortino, and even Jemmy, being killed for barking at the Bolsheviks and snapping at their legs. It would make sense if all the dogs did this, since dogs are so protective of their owners and their owners were in danger.

BTW is that a Tazmainian Tiger on your sig? Don't you think they should take specimens from the stuffed ones and try to clone them? They were the coolest things, dog's head and bark, tiger body and tail, but their jaws were like a crocodile but they were marsupials. What a unique animal. People are so ignorant to  kill them all, just like passenger pigeons and great auks.

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Re: The fact his dog survived and not Alexei is so weird.
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2007, 01:34:45 PM »
Is it true that Anastasia took Jemmy into the room with her?
I believe it's in The Final Chapter by Massie that the body of the dog was found in a mine shaft or something. I don't have the exact page right now because my copy's on loan to a friend. :( Sorry.

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Another thing, why was Joy half blind? Maybe instead of killing her, someone kicked her in the face or something?  :-\
I'm not positive, but I always thought it was just because Joy was old. My dog, also old, is nearly deaf. Might just be an age thing.

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« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2007, 03:09:51 PM »
There were some examinations of the dog found in the pit, and it seemed that the dog couldn't have been put there in July 1918.  ???

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Re: The fact his dog survived and not Alexei is so weird.
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2007, 08:37:15 AM »
Oh yeah, it hadn't decomposed enough, right?

It's a mystery, but by no stretch the biggest one having to do with that night. 

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Re: The fact his dog survived and not Alexei is so weird.
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2007, 01:59:40 AM »
How is it wierd? Joy was not in the execution room. Only in the house. It's not like people are spiritually intertwined with their dogs and that the dog had to die just because Alexei died  ::)

And I think it's pretty obvious that the whites planted the dog in the mine as Summer and Mangfold concluded. The condition of the dog showed it certainly hadn't been dead that long and the fact is that it had not decomposed after all that time at the bottom of a pit! I think not. And why didn't they see him the first time they searched the mine? Because he wasn't there. It just goes to show that the Whites weren't completely honest at all, and that they did indeed plant some of the evidence.

That's where "The File on the Tsar" is still useful. While obviously the family didn't escape to Perm, it's still valid in the way it pointed out the obvious holes in the Sokolov report.

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Re: The fact his dog survived and not Alexei is so weird.
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2007, 03:57:16 PM »
For the first point you made, I don't think it's weird that Joy didn't die. It's more that she wasn't brought into the room with them that's weird.
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Re: The fact his dog survived and not Alexei is so weird.
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2007, 02:52:01 PM »
well its cool he survived.
i liked ortino more becuase he almost looks the same as myn french bulldog xD

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Re: The fact his dog survived and not Alexei is so weird.
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2007, 12:41:28 PM »
Joy wasn't in the murder room at the time.

I guess it's not that weird after all

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Re: The fact his dog survived and not Alexei is so weird.
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2007, 04:53:39 AM »
The dog was hardly going to be able to be proclaimed Tsar or Tsarina as a challenger to the  Bolsheviks. It's pretty easy to see why it survived.

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Re: The fact his dog survived and not Alexei is so weird.
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2007, 12:10:54 PM »
The dog was hardly going to be able to be proclaimed Tsar or Tsarina as a challenger to the  Bolsheviks. It's pretty easy to see why it survived.

My thoughts, exactly.

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Re: The fact his dog survived and not Alexei is so weird.
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2007, 02:50:07 AM »
The dog was hardly going to be able to be proclaimed Tsar or Tsarina as a challenger to the  Bolsheviks. It's pretty easy to see why it survived.
good point
but even then, why wouldn't they kill it afterwards?
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