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Re: Question: Just how often was Rasputin with the Imperial Family?
« Reply #45 on: February 02, 2008, 02:32:08 PM »
About the confessors of the Imperial family, there are differents things to consider. There was at the Court the fonction of "Protopresbytr of the court". It was the priest who officialy celebrated at the Court and was officialy confessor of the IF. Bis 1910 it was father Ioann Yanishev, then a very old priest, totally inoffensive, Blagoveshchensky. Then father Kedrensky.  Then, in february 1914 came father Alexandre Vassiliev, teacher of the imperial children from 1910. All these men had official charge, but it does not mean (in the case of Blagoveshchensky and Kedrinsky) that they played the spiritual role of confessor for the IF. This spiritual role beetwen 1905 and 1911-12 played bishop Theopahne Bystrov, after saint John of Cronstadt. After his disgrace, as far as I understand NA and AF mostly confessed themselves to father Vassiliev and to the priest of the Feodorovsky sobor. I would not say that Rasputin was a "confessor" for AF. He was a saint man, she heard his spiritual advices, she believed him and knew he could save her son, but he was not her confessor in the sense of a priest who is directeur de conscience, as I had say in french and whom you confess your sins.

About Rasputin being present at Court's events, I read recently an article in the russian internet, about the Empress last journey in Novgorod (december 1916). And discover with stupefaction that Rasputin seems to have take part to this journey. The author of the article quote a text written by Islavin, governator of the Novgorod' province in those days: "With the emperial train came to Novgoord A. A. Vyrubova and G. E. Rasputin, but almost noone saw him in the town. The day before the hotel's owner Soloviev received a telegram. It was asked him to prepare the best room for the time of imperial train's arriving. At the moment the Empress came at the station, Rasputin went out of the train, sat in a izvotchik and went to this hotel where, as said the owner, he stayed on the bed, drank tee all the time, going nowhere else. A short time before the train departed, he came back to the train, nobody saw him. About the Rasputin's caming in Novgorod, nobody, even I (officially) was allowed to know." I only wonder why neither the Empress in her letter to NA, nore the GD in their diaries and letter said any word about Rasputin's presence in the train to Novgorod. Had anyone information?

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Re: Question: Just how often was Rasputin with the Imperial Family?
« Reply #46 on: February 02, 2008, 03:00:41 PM »
How many times the IF met Rasputin, I asked this question myself and a long time ago, when I had no children and nothing to do, I check letters and diaries and search this question. Here are all the times the Nicolas II met Rasputin, or at least all the times he noticed the meeting in his diary for the years 1905-1907 and 1913-1916. Sorry, there are some notices in french.

-   1er novembre 1905
-   18 juin 1906
-   13 octobre 1906
-   9 décembre 1906
-   6 avril 1907
-   19 juin 1907

Visites de Raspoutine 1913-1916 (d’après le journal de Nicolas II)

-   18/01/1913
-   15/02/
-   15/04/
-   18 avril. Mentionné dans le journal de Tatiana
-   1/06
-   17/07 (soulage Al. N. malade)
-   6/08
-   23/9 (à Yalta)
-   5/10 Yalta
-   2/01/1914. Mentionné aussi dans le journal d’O. N. Reste jusqu’à 11 heures avec les parents puis visite les enfants.
-   20/01/
-   2/02/
-   18/02 (dans le chœur de l’église, début du Carême)
-   20/02 (après l’office)
-   14.03
-   18.05
-   17/06
-   25/08
-   5/09
-   14/09
-   19/09   
   28/09
-   7/10
-   17/10
-   4/11 (avant son départ)
-               25.12 (pas de mention dans le journal pour ce jour)
-   2/01/1915 au chevet d’A. A. V. accidentée
-   9/01 après visite à A. A. V.
-   20/01
-   7/02
-   27/02 (une demi-heure chez Ania)
-   22/03 (Pâques, courte visite)
-   1/04
-   27/04 (chez Ania)
-   4/05 (bénédiction avant le départ)
-   18/05 (est passé)
-   31/05
-   9/06
-   31/07 chez A.A.V
-   4/08 (dicute avec le tsar et le bénit avec une icône)
-   28/09 chez Ania
-   6/12 ; au chevet d’Al. N. malade
-   26/01/1916
-   24/02
-   23/04
-   26/11 chez Ania
-   2/12 (chez Ania, dernière discussion avec le tsar)
An other time, if only I can find it, I will do the same work for AF and OTMA in the war's time, in absence of NA. Hope it will help.
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Re: Question: Just how often was Rasputin with the Imperial Family?
« Reply #47 on: February 02, 2008, 06:38:24 PM »
... About Rasputin being present at Court's events, I read recently an article in the russian internet, about the Empress last journey in Novgorod (december 1916). And discover with stupefaction that Rasputin seems to have take part to this journey. ...  he came back to the train, nobody saw him. About the Rasputin's caming in Novgorod, nobody, even I (officially) was allowed to know."... Had anyone information?

Obviously no one saw Rasputin in Novgorod because Rasputin was in Petrograd when Alexandra travelled to Novgorod. A letter she wrote to Nikolai II on December 12, 1916 describes who was in attendance with her on the day. Among the party were two Grand Dukes and her daughters.

Please read through this article with the link provided below, which explains a few the circumstances of that visit. The fact that Alexandra brought back a special icon to give to Rasputin at a later date, in commemoratiion of her visit confirms that the writer on the Russian internet site plucked out an obscure yarn, which falls short with the truth.


http://www.facesofrussia.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=17&Itemid=1

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Re: Question: Just how often was Rasputin with the Imperial Family?
« Reply #48 on: February 03, 2008, 04:50:13 PM »
Yes, I read a lot about this journey and that was what I thougt. Perhaps Islavin, as all people at that time was so obsessed by Raspoutine that they saw him everywhere and heard any gossip?

I note most of the meetings of the Empress and OTMA with Grigory at war time without the Tsar. It is complete for 1916, I probably forgot something for 1915. Here is the list:
-   24/09 1914
-   28/09/1914 : O, T chez AAV
-   7/10
-   17/10
-   25/10 doma
-   30/10 doma
-   4/11 doma
-   25/12 doma

-   5/1/1915
-   16/1 doma
-   17/1 femme et fille Raspoutine doma
-   20/1 doma
-   29/01 journal d’ON : Grigoria Efimovitcha ubrali.
-   7/02 chez AAV puis soir doma
-   8/3 chez AAV
-   5/4/
-   27/8 chez AAV femme et fille
-   3/10
-   
-   23/04/1916 doma
-   29.04 у Ани
-   25/05/ chez AAV
-   11/06 chez AAV, avant le départ de GER pour Pokrovskoe
-   25/07 chez AAV
-   6/08 chez AAV
-   7/09
-   14/09 chez AAV
-   21/09 chez AAV avec sa femme et un moine
-   30/09 chez AAV
-   15/10 chez AAV
-   21/10 chez AAV (avec NA)
-   25/10 chez AAV avec filles GER
-   2/11 chez AAV
-   4/11
-   7/11
-   9/11
-   10/11 avant départ GER
-   2/12 chez AAV
-   5/12 chez AAV
-   9/12 chez AAV
-   10/12 chez AAV
-   12/12 chez AAV

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Re: Question: Just how often was Rasputin with the Imperial Family?
« Reply #49 on: February 04, 2008, 06:38:47 PM »
Yes, I read a lot about this journey and that was what I thougt. Perhaps Islavin, as all people at that time was so obsessed by Raspoutine that they saw him everywhere and heard any gossip?

People without a doubt enjoyed declaring that they saw Rasputin in one place or another just to be heard or to simply compromise Rasputin without justification. Their discredit begins when those alleged sightings are proven wrong.

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First met with IF - when?
« Reply #50 on: September 27, 2008, 05:03:09 PM »
When Rasputin first time met the Imperial Family?

Montenegrin princesses Militsa and Stana/Anastasia met him with Empress? Correct. And he came to St.Petersburg in 1909? But how these two princesses knew about him?

Where did they met him? And probably they(Militsa and Anastasia) told him about Aleksei's health, because his illness was discovered ca. 1912, when he got hemophilia attack in Spala.

I only know Tsarevich was terribly ill, then Rasputin came to his room, told him some storries, and boy felt better.

Tell me, when and where Rasputin met IF? I heard he saw Tsarina in 1903, but I doubt...

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Re: First met with IF - when?
« Reply #51 on: September 27, 2008, 06:26:37 PM »
please use Search. This question has been asked and answered before.

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Re: First met with IF - when?
« Reply #52 on: September 27, 2008, 06:31:00 PM »
I tried, but I have no idea what to put into Search...  :(

If anybody can answer quick, I will be very thanksgiving! ;)
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Re: First met with IF - when?
« Reply #53 on: September 27, 2008, 07:32:41 PM »
On this thread, reply #9 includes Nicholas's diary entry for the day he met Rasputin:

Rasputin and Nikolasha


Matushka has also compiled long lists of Rasputin's visits with the IF during various years near the end of this thread:

Just how often was Rasputin with the Imperial Family?
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Re: First met with IF - when?
« Reply #54 on: September 28, 2008, 05:32:28 AM »
Ok--thank you very much!  ;)
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