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Re: Carlota Joaquina of Spain, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2005, 05:19:36 PM »
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Judging from the pictures all of you have kindly posted, she was ugly indeed.


Yes, she was. We can't believe that those different painters that portraited Carlota were all bad artists!  
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Re: Carlota Joaquina of Spain, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2005, 01:48:56 PM »
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The proof is that although Carlota Joaquina and her husband hated each other, they had 12 children in total, the first one in 1793 and the last one in 1820. Maybe King Joao didn't hate all of her, just her ambitions and her character...



They had 9 children
1. D. Maria Teresa Pss. of Beira (1793-1874 )
2. D. António (1795-1801 )
3. D. Maria Isabel (1797-1818 )
4. D.Pedro (1798-1834 )
5. D. Maria Francisca (1800-1834 )
6. D. Isabel Maria (1801-76 )
7. D. Miguel (1802- 66 )
8. D. Maria da Assunção (1805-34 )
9. D. Ana de Jesus Maria (1806-57)

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Re: Carlota Joaquina of Spain, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2005, 01:54:33 PM »
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Maria Josefa was actually called Maria da Assunçao!


The other three children were a baby boy who died after a few hours of his birth in 1810 (died unnamed).  Then Carlota had to stillborn girls, one in 1816 and another one in 1820.


It is the first time I heard of these 3 children, but they certainly were not fathered by the king  ;D.
There a few authors who claim the 3 last children - D.Miguel, D.Maria da Assunção and D. Ana de Jesus Maria - were not D.João's since the couple lived separate lives at the time of their conception.
The king was very fond of Infanta D. Isabel Maria, whom he later appointed as Regent.
Despite her faux-pas and illegitimate children :-X

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Re: Carlota Joaquina of Spain, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2005, 03:47:40 PM »

Carlota Joaquina had been born to be a great King, but...she was a Queen, a bad Queen it seems  :-/...

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Re: Carlota Joaquina of Spain, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2006, 04:26:08 PM »
Has anyone ever wondered if she wasn't just a really bad drag queen?!?!?!?!?!?!? ;D ;D ;D

If you want to know more about this macheavelan queen try to read 'Empire Adrift' by Patrick Wilcken. It's a very interesting account of the Portuguese Court in Rio de Janeiro. Nasty lady....

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Re: Carlota Joaquina of Spain, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2007, 04:27:02 PM »
Moving to Brazil must have also been hard, just the ocean voyage would have been hard. Could you imagine the ENTIRE COURT of Portugal on a ship journey that lasted almost a month. 

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Re: Carlota Joaquina of Spain, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2007, 07:58:25 PM »
Indeed...Also travaling with a mad woman did not help !  :-\

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Re: Carlota Joaquina of Spain, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2007, 08:22:56 PM »
Here is who I am guessing traveled to Brazil:

PLEASE NOTE:
I am sure that the people in bold went to Brazil, I am not sure about the others. 

-Maria I
-Joao VI
-Carlota Joaquina

-Prinncess Terese, Princess of Beira
-Maria Isabella (later Queen of Spain)
-Pedro I of Brazil
-Maria Francisca
-Isabella Maria
-Miguel I

-Maria da Assunção
-Ana de Jesus Maria

-Maria Francisca Benedita (daughter of Jose I)
-Mariana Francisca (daughter of Jose I)

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I am sure that the people in bold went to Brazil, I am not sure about the others. 

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Re: Carlota Joaquina of Spain, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2007, 08:43:03 PM »
I think your list is just about right. Thanks for sharing.  ;)

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Re: Carlota Joaquina of Spain, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2007, 03:47:01 AM »

All of them went to Brazil, Duke, and I would inculde Infante Pedro Carlos de Borbón, future husband of Dona Maria Teresa, who accompanied his Portuguese family to Brazil!
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Re: Carlota Joaquina of Spain, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #25 on: July 02, 2007, 06:24:50 AM »
I read that Carlota Joaquina's daughter Izabel Maria had illegitimate children. Can anyone give some details about this children and fathers?
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Re: Carlota Joaquina of Spain, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2007, 02:49:27 PM »
All that I found is that she had a miscarriage or a stillborn son in 1826. She had a relationship with a man named Abrantes.

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Re: Carlota Joaquina of Spain, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2007, 01:44:57 PM »
Infanta D.Isabel Maria was her father (D.João VI) favourite daughter.
After the wedding of her elder sisters, Infantas D.Maria Teresa, D.Maria Isabel and D.Maria Francisca, she was her father's great support and comfort in the dwelling times that arouse after the RF returned from Brazil .
As you may know, the king, who is usually depicted as an irresolute and even an imbecile, was in fact one of the most able kings and he had the vision to antecipate what might happen when Napoleon would invade Portugal - he would share the fate of his spanish cousins.
D.João was a perfect constitutional king and that infuriated his wife D.Carlota Joaquina who plotted against him with all her means, throwing her son D.Miguel against the king.
On one occasion, things became so difficult that, after a ball at the french embassy, attended by the king and the Infanta, the ambassadors of France, Spain and Britain managed to transfer them to a british vessel staying in the Tagus river to prevent them from being captured by D.Miguel's followers.
From there, the king was able to dismiss D.Miguel from his military post and secure that constitutionalism would prevail.
At the vessel however, the Infanta met an english officer who seduced her and she became pregnant.
That was really unfortunate for her as, at the time, there were talks to her marriage to the Prince de Condé, who broke the marriage as he heard of the pregnancy.
Opposite to what Yseult wrote, a girl was born and was raised near the palace . ( Some authors claim she had another child.)
On Eduardo Nobre's "Paixões Reais" there is a passage that confirms that not only she survived as she was (distantly) acknowledged by the RF.
One day, her cousin Queen D.Maria II had gone for a ride on a carriage and at the sidewalk there was D.Isabel Maria's daughter.
The Queen waved at her so much that she lost her bracelet. The girl caught it and was returned it to the queen that offered it to her.
D.Isabel Maria was a neurotic woman. She was very religious and in her will, she left all her wealth to some religious order.
I will try to find my "Eduardo Nobre" as I am writing from memory.


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Re: Carlota Joaquina of Spain, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2007, 11:16:52 AM »
I might be wrong but I've heard she had twin daughters...but me too have to check Eduardo Nobre's...

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Re: Carlota Joaquina of Spain, Queen of Portugal
« Reply #29 on: September 19, 2007, 11:29:42 AM »

I guess the match between D.José and his aunt was made not only out of affection, but also because of economic reasons. A match between two Portuguese princes would be cheaper than marrying off the prince to a foreign princess. Why? If a princess came to marry D.José, although she would bring along a dowry (back then not always paid, however), the Crown would have to give her a regular income. On the other hand, marrying a Portuguese infanta would mean that the Crown would only have to increase her income to that of a Princess of Beira. I think that was the case.
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