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Re: new member not sure he wants to be here.
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2007, 09:39:18 AM »
FA, I was just writting a post about Bonedaddy's attitude toward this subject. I just couldn't have said it better....

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Re: new member not sure he wants to be here.
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2007, 07:34:02 AM »
Yes I am afraid I agree. These rather unusual supporters of the totally discredited Anna Anderson are extremely bizarre and obsessed to say the least. The one thing they have in common is a total ignorance about the real Grand Duchess Anastasia and a complete unwillingness to read any contrary information about Anna Anderson that proves she was a fraud.

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Re: new member not sure he wants to be here.
« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2007, 12:00:52 PM »
Well said Dmitri. That's exactly what I was thinking.
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Re: new member not sure he wants to be here.
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2007, 01:05:23 PM »
I don't think we need to necessarily be harsh, and paint all supporters of AA with the same brush.  I would not call the now departed gentleman "bonedaddy" either bizarre or obsessed.

The problem is really one of ignorance of the science involved in the mtDNA testing.  I won't rehash the long discussion again here, its been done to death on other threads. But, suffice it to say, the only way to "not believe" the results are
1.  The sample was not from Anna Manahan.  However, records at MJH and the chain of custody are pretty clear. Certainly the Schweitzers were happy in the knowledge that the sample was hers. That's good enough for me.
2.  The sample was somehow switched in some bizarre, complicated and virtually impossible scheme and conspiracy.

Thats it. The DNA was not "ancient"  in the scientific term, nor was it degraded.  It was a well preserved stable pathology sample from a well respected teaching hospital.  Four different labs got the exact same sequence result from different bits of the original sample, this rules out contamination of any one tested sample by mis handling of those performing the testing.

NOTHING in the years since changes the validity of the original sample for one reason:  Any newer test that tests for MORE sequence points as may be done today could only reveal MORE mismatches than the original five.  There will NEVER be fewer mismatches than five. And remember, just ONE mismatch is an automatic exclusion from maternal relationship.

The science doesn't lie. It is not flawed. There was no grand conspiracy.  Anna Manahan was of no maternal relationship to Alexandra Feodorovna, Queen Victoria or Alice of Hesse-Darmstadt.

This fundamental ignorance by many in the "Anna Manahan was GD Anastasia" is really more the point.  What I don't understand is why "they" are so unwilling to just produce the evidence to support their claims. 

I STILL stand by my original offer that anyone who can produce a paper from a peer review journal, written by a scientist trained in the field of forensic dna analysis which shows why the original testing by Gill, Melton, et al, is no longer reliable, I will publish said paper myself here in the Alexander Palace Time Machine  website and will modify my position on the subject.

For three years now, I have yet to be provided with any such paper.  Yet, for three years, I am castigated, ridiculed, defamed, libeled and plain called names (such as by good Mr. "bonedaddy" because I stand by the science, and only ask that people stand behind their claims that the mtDNA testing "is not to be believed" by offering genuine proof.


oh, and NOBODY in Grand Duchess Anastasia Nicholaievna's family EVER dipped snuff. That "fad" had died out 80 years before she was born. They chain smoked instead...


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Re: new member not sure he wants to be here.
« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2007, 01:15:25 PM »
Well, I hope "bonedaddy" will reconsider sharing his experiences with the couple. Disregarding anything to do with GD Anastasia of course, it would be interesting to know how the Manahans lived from somebody who actually knew them. I would like to know just for my own curiosity about their eccentricities, and how they lived and how they were percieved in the community they lived in.  That's all I would like to hear about, if only for the sake of the topic originally meant to be discussed NOT about DNA arguments or anything else.  Just about them as people. 

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« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2007, 05:47:14 AM »
I am not sure, but I think there is another poster who has said that he lived near or in the town where Jack and Anna lived and that he had on occasion seen them walking together in town.

Actually, I am surprised that more people who lived in that Virginia town and knew or were at least acquainted with the Manahans have not come forward to post what they knew from first hand experience.

I, too, was looking forward to the reminiscences of bonedaddy, but as he began to write, I began to have some doubts as to his claims as to who he could be and how old he was and that none of what he said in red sounded like it came from a man who's father is 98 years old.  Even accepting the fact that bonedaddy could have been born last in a long chain of children, would he be younger than say 60?

Did those ravings in red sound like they came from a mature man of at least 60 years old?  Hmmmm   ???

This is just my humble opinion and if I am wrong, of course, I apologize.  But I just found all of this too confusing.  :-\
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« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2007, 09:57:31 AM »
Well, just look at the tittle..Right out of a Drama Queen's Diary. If you do not want drama you just don't say it..My opinion is Bonnedaddy did not have anything to share, he was playing a role and had made up his mind to leave at the first chance with a big scene... Drama... drama... drama...
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« Reply #22 on: July 13, 2007, 10:30:00 PM »
Another question to bonedaddy might be, "If you are not sure you want to be here, then why come in like a hurricane?"  And what kind of a thread title is that anyway?   ???

Perhaps "My family knew Jack and Anna Manahan and I want to share my memories of them"  would have been less pugilistic.   :-\

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Re: new member not sure he wants to be here.
« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2007, 12:00:26 AM »
Dear God, why are all supporters of AA so pathological?? Honestly, creditable and well trained forensic scientists and resources stated she wasn't AN. This reminds me of NOVA's Anastasia documentary when the Botkins found out AA wasn't AA. "Unbeleivable! That is juuust outta this world!" ........Well believe it.  :P
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Re: new member not sure he wants to be here.
« Reply #24 on: July 15, 2007, 10:24:39 AM »
Matthew, in the News Links section there is an interesting article on Jack Manahan.  At least I enjoyed it.

Arleen

I'd say he's already read it  ;) and that's where he got most of his info for his latest act. Sorry I didn't see this before he was banned, I'd have had fun questioning him about the little town of Scottsville. I know it well and I could have caught him in errors and that would have been hilarious! I guess he'll stop at nothing to keep pretending to be someone else and keep trying to find new ways to get everyone to reconsider that awful DNA evidence ::)
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Re: new member not sure he wants to be here.
« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2007, 12:06:35 PM »
I am not sure, but I think there is another poster who has said that he lived near or in the town where Jack and Anna lived and that he had on occasion seen them walking together in town.

Actually, I am surprised that more people who lived in that Virginia town and knew or were at least acquainted with the Manahans have not come forward to post what they knew from first hand experience.

I, too, was looking forward to the reminiscences of bonedaddy, but as he began to write, I began to have some doubts as to his claims as to who he could be and how old he was and that none of what he said in red sounded like it came from a man who's father is 98 years old.  Even accepting the fact that bonedaddy could have been born last in a long chain of children, would he be younger than say 60?

Did those ravings in red sound like they came from a mature man of at least 60 years old?  Hmmmm   ???

This is just my humble opinion and if I am wrong, of course, I apologize.  But I just found all of this too confusing.  :-\

I was a bit confused as well.  I did read that Jack Manahan was the town eccentric but that that he was considered harmless.  I would have loved to have heard first hand about the escapades of the couple.  Just out of curiousity.  (Disregarding any AN connection of course and no DNA discussion).  Just any anectdoted, etc.. about how they were perceived by somebody firsthand.  It's a shame that as another poster pointed out, they just came "in like a hurricane" and began raving.  I wish that individual could have stuck to the topic they themselves started in the first place.  Oh well.........

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Re: new member not sure he wants to be here.
« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2010, 12:19:08 AM »
Wow, the thread was called 'new member not sure he wants to be here' which appeared accurate. I'd love to hear more about the Manahans and have read recently that 30% of the tests run on AA's DNA have been proven ineffective. Who really knows what might change as other new advances are made in the field?
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Re: new member not sure he wants to be here.
« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2010, 11:53:01 AM »
Wow, the thread was called 'new member not sure he wants to be here' which appeared accurate. I'd love to hear more about the Manahans and have read recently that 30% of the tests run on AA's DNA have been proven ineffective. Who really knows what might change as other new advances are made in the field?

I must insist you actually cite where exactly you "read" this, as that statement is in fact INCORRECT.  Having spoken with several of the people at different labs who actually did that testing, I have been assured that the tests are effective, accurate and conclusive 100%

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Re: new member not sure he wants to be here.
« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2010, 02:43:17 PM »
I didn't realize we could type in red.  Although Anna has been proven a fake , didn't she have some things related to the royal family, maybe given to her by sympathic members of the imperial family , like photos or whatever.  Which leads me to, what did happen to her personal property?  That might be interesting to know?

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« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2010, 02:55:34 PM »
Greg King or Peter Kurth might know that., PPLife. ASAIK, it has not been discussed here. But I do not  usually pay attention to AA or her  supporters and their silly theories.
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