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Re: AA/FS Photo Comparison - Similarities: What is Wrong With AA Being FS?
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2004, 06:16:32 PM »
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I know that many people here believe that AA was FS, so I hope I haven't stepped on any toes.  I appreciate the fact that everyone is allowed to respectfully disagree on this forum :)


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Re: AA/FS Photo Comparison - Similarities: What is Wrong With AA Being FS?
« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2004, 06:39:54 PM »
Well, let's consider something; the grand-nephew of FS whose DNA was used is the grandson of one of FS half-siblings; They did not share the same mother. However, i was under the impression that the type of tests performed REQUIRED the two to share maternal ancestry? How, then, can this type of a test prove anything? And if this test was inncorrect, that kind of casts a shadow on the test proving AN and AA are not the same person...

IMO, the tests should be re-done; DNA testing has come far in the last decade, this time i don't think anyone will really be able to doubt the findings.

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Re: AA/FS Photo Comparison - Similarities: What is Wrong With AA Being FS?
« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2004, 07:01:50 PM »
It was only a rumor and theory that they did not share the same mother. They probably did. If they didn't, the DNA would not have been such a match.

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« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2004, 09:03:47 PM »
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Not everybody. ;)



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Re: AA/FS Photo Comparison - Similarities: What is Wrong With AA Being FS?
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2004, 10:00:24 PM »
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Anastasia Manahan was NOT Franziska Schanzkowska.  


I have to respectfully disagree. The photographic and DNA evidence says otherwise.

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Re: AA/FS Photo Comparison - Similarities: What is Wrong With AA Being FS?
« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2004, 01:04:44 PM »
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Thanks Michelle   :)


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Re: AA/FS Photo Comparison - Similarities: What is Wrong With AA Being FS?
« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2004, 01:18:45 PM »
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And if this test was inncorrect, that kind of casts a shadow on the test proving AN and AA are not the same person...

IMO, the tests should be re-done; DNA testing has come far in the last decade, this time i don't think anyone will really be able to doubt the findings.


You misunderstand the nature of the mtDNA test. First, how can you begin to think that a problem (if there IS one) with the FS relative sample HAS ANY BEARING on the Hesse lineage test?? One has NOTHING to do with the other. AA's same dna was tested against 2 DIFFERENT modern samples.

Far more importantly, you confuse nuclear DNA with mtDNA...Yes, nuclear DNA has improved greatly over 10 years. HOWEVER, mtDNA testing is EXACTLY the same today as when done on the AA samples, except that the same work is now done by machines as was done by hand back then. I have spoken to Dr. Melton who did one set of the mtDNA tests, who is now a leading world authority on forensic DNA who is adament that the tests done then are still as conclusive as ever and that another test would be a waste of time and money as it would be re-doing the exact same test again. Nothing in mtDNA research has changed at all.

I'll be glad to send you Dr. Melton's contact info if you want to verify this for yourself.

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Re: AA/FS Photo Comparison - Similarities: What is Wrong With AA Being FS?
« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2004, 10:46:29 AM »
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I thought occured to me.... If, indeed she was FS, perhaps our own ideas and prejudices on what makes a worthwhile person might be the best explanation as to why she held on to the identity of AN for so long.
Jeremy  


Well put!
What makes a person remarkable, significant or unique? Why is it possible that because some people accepted Alpha to be Zed that faith- like a  cultural or social "virus"- (given enough time and the right conditions) could so spead that even today, with scientific evidence questioning the entire notion - there are still "true believers" out there?

I do think that there are some unusual underlying "quasi religious" elements to all of this debate...
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Re: AA/FS Photo Comparison - Similarities: What is Wrong With AA Being FS?
« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2004, 11:44:10 AM »
So, rskkiya, you believe that faith is basically a virus?  Or are you talking about the AA issue?

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Re: AA/FS Photo Comparison - Similarities: What is Wrong With AA Being FS?
« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2004, 12:14:23 PM »
michelle
I was making a metaphorical connection between the concept of a believe and a virus ( regarding the manner in which ideas/viruses can be spread)....I did not say that they were the same.  


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Re: AA/FS Photo Comparison - Similarities: What is Wrong With AA Being FS?
« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2004, 04:37:43 PM »
That different mother thing has no basis, it's only a rumor brought up by Kurth and other AA supporters. It makes no sense, since the DNA DID match! FS and Gertrude WERE related maternally! NO ONE would have gone to so much trouble to seek out and test a relative who was not maternally related. The topic doesn't even deserve to be discussed anymore.

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Re: AA/FS Photo Comparison - Similarities: What is Wrong With AA Being FS?
« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2004, 07:04:55 PM »
I can't remember where I read it   :( (but it may have been on one of these boards) but I have read recently that Gertrude was the younger sister of FS.  I have never questioned the DNA testing because as pp stated, who would waste the time and momey doing tests which are meaningless?

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Re: AA/FS Photo Comparison - Similarities: What is Wrong With AA Being FS?
« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2004, 07:08:35 AM »
Are there any photos of Gertrude? Cheers.

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Re: AA/FS Photo Comparison - Similarities: What is Wrong With AA Being FS?
« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2004, 09:58:37 AM »
I didn't mean the rumor was invented by Kurth but certainly it was capitalized on and spread by AA supporters. But I am NOT 'very wrong' to say that with such a close DNA match the point seems obviously moot that FS and Gertrude were whole sisters. There is no way anyone would have wasted time tracking down and testing the wrong relative. It doesn't make sense.

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Re: AA/FS Photo Comparison - Similarities: What is Wrong With AA Being FS?
« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2004, 08:05:55 PM »
    I should like to approach this topic from an angle...
I have just seen an amazing film BIRTH and while its about reincarnation - not about Fransiska S. or the Romanovs, it explores the ways that memories can be manipulated and even fabricated altogether, and how perceptions and beliefs are remarkable malliable given the right circumstances...
   I do recommend it for adult audiences (R rated)

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