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Re: MISSING REMAINS DISCOVERED?????
« Reply #90 on: August 24, 2007, 11:12:27 PM »
Here are some pictures of the site the remains were found from Yahoo! News:

"Villager kneels at the site"



"Cross installed at the site"


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Re: MISSING REMAINS DISCOVERED?????
« Reply #91 on: August 24, 2007, 11:16:19 PM »
very interesting photos ... no doubt the area will be venerated

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Re: MISSING REMAINS DISCOVERED?????
« Reply #92 on: August 25, 2007, 12:15:18 AM »
Back when I first started reading about AA and some other ones. I found this site and this guy was convinced Alexei Lived. and I had sent him a e-mail. and we still talk from time to time and I sent him a email this morning when I read about all of this and I just got his reply

first here is what I sent him.

"Dear John,

Did you hear the news? they think they found Alexei!!
and one of his Sisters. here's the link > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070823/ap_on_re_eu/russia_czar_s_son
I'm so Happy I hope it is really them!!!

I just had to tell you!!

Yours truly,
Sharayah."

here is his reply

"
Hi Sharayah

Yes, I heard about it first early yesterday from my journalist
 colleague in
Estonia.

We've heard these types of stories several times before, so don't get
 too
exited just yet.  ;-)

The details are still sketchy, but yesterday's report from Associated
 Press
in Moscow had claimed that they had found "....nails, metal strips from
 a
wooden box" with the remains.

This does not fit at all with any of Yakov Yurovsky's testimony about
 what
he
claimed they had done with the two missing bodies.  There is nothing at
 all
in any of the known evidence about any nails or any wooden boxes
 connected
with the burial.  But there is one possibility... if the nails and
 metal
strips that they claim to have found with the remains had come from a
 casket
after the wood had long ago rotted away.  If that is what this "wooden
 box"
is, then the remains do not belong to the missing Romanovs.

Best Regards
John K"

now part of me says "yes that's true. he could be right" but the other part yells "HELLO!!! They burned their stuff there to!! I don't believe you!!!" but what do you all think?

Lynn

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Re: MISSING REMAINS DISCOVERED?????
« Reply #93 on: August 25, 2007, 12:18:03 AM »
I am highly skeptical about what this person has written.

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Re: MISSING REMAINS DISCOVERED?????
« Reply #94 on: August 25, 2007, 01:31:20 AM »
I think "John" is being rather presumptous about the nails, metal strips and wooden box.

None of us have any idea whether the wooden box is complete, what size it is, or any other details. The "nails, metal strips and wooden box" could be from anything.

It could've been something the family brought with them to the basement.

It could've been from the Four Brother's Mine - it's possible that when the mine was collapsed using grenades with the corpses inside, part of the shaft structure (which may've consisted of nails, metal and wood) could've lodged onto/into one of the corpses.

It could've been something the Bolsheviks had.

If I remember correctly, part of Yurovsky's testimony includes something about how the Bolsheviks looked for "anything and everything" (not verbatim) to fuel the bonfires. So it could be from that.

I don't recall Yurovsky stating explicitly that shards from the acid containers were buried with the corpses in the main grave either, but they were there.

Really, we do have to wait for the DNA results for confirmation, but the information we have now is very persuasive, IMO.

Like others have already said on this thread, I cannot understand why it has taken so long to uncover this second grave, given that it's in the immediate vicinity of the first grave. I was of the opinion that almost all (if not all) of Pig's Meadow had been excavated over the last 10 years or so, with nothing found. I'm really perplexed.

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« Reply #95 on: August 25, 2007, 01:55:22 AM »
information from a friend in Ekaterinburg who saw Sergey Pogorelov interviewed on a local TV programme

(http://www.channel4.ru/content/programs/014.stand.html)

Valentina tells me: 'Evgeniy talked to Sergey Pogorelov ( zamestitel nachalnika
oblastnogo centra okhrany pamytnikov), at the very
beginning general questions were asked like where the
bodies were found, who by, when, what were the documents
used, why no one else had found the bodies before (But then when the programme (which is not long) was coming
to the end, Evgeniy, who is not very soft with the people
he interviews, asked why if the remains were found a while
ago the information only became available now.
Pogorelov answered that they wanted to have the checks
first to be sure the bodies belonged to Alexey and Maria.
Then Evgeniy : “I assume you are sure now if you let
everyone know”.
Pogorelov: “we are not sure, but there was an information
leak from someone senior in Moscow and we had no option
but confirm that we did find the bodies. Lots of
university lecturers and researches have already
telephoned me and asked why they were excluded from the
research and why they are not invited to share the info
and do the research now, they are all very much offended,
but I am afraid we could not afford that. ”

So if the story hadn't been leaked in Moscow high up it would still be a rumour! 

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Re: MISSING REMAINS DISCOVERED?????
« Reply #96 on: August 25, 2007, 01:55:44 AM »
This article gives more info about the circumstances surrounding the discovery of the two bodies - sorry if this has been posted before!:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,,2155904,00.html

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Re: MISSING REMAINS DISCOVERED?????
« Reply #97 on: August 25, 2007, 02:55:04 AM »
Thanks, Rachael.

Quote from the article:
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They packed up, leaving behind an 8-metre- square area of ground.

What are the odds? That's a relatively small area. I guess they just weren't meant to be found . . .  until now.   :)

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Re: MISSING REMAINS DISCOVERED?????
« Reply #98 on: August 25, 2007, 03:10:47 AM »
Having done archaelogical digs on four sites over many seasons I can assure you that whatever you are looking for almost always turns out to be under your spoil heap, site hut, latrine etc and never where you originally looked!

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Re: MISSING REMAINS DISCOVERED?????
« Reply #99 on: August 25, 2007, 03:23:24 AM »
John Kendrick among others will obviously never admit to being wrong about his little fantasy Alexei survived story.

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Re: MISSING REMAINS DISCOVERED?????
« Reply #100 on: August 25, 2007, 04:38:36 AM »
I wonder why they would put in a random photo of someone else's bones?  That angers me.


Well, it is Pravda ofc ;)

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Re: MISSING REMAINS DISCOVERED?????
« Reply #101 on: August 25, 2007, 06:09:50 AM »
Well it seems quite obvious Alexis never survived, sadly.

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Re: MISSING REMAINS DISCOVERED?????
« Reply #102 on: August 25, 2007, 06:36:08 AM »
John Kendrick among others will obviously never admit to being wrong about his little fantasy Alexei survived story.

There are still people who believe there never was a holocaust, so I don't think if the bones would proof to be Alexey's and Mia's he would stop believing someone survived.
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Re: MISSING REMAINS DISCOVERED?????
« Reply #103 on: August 25, 2007, 07:05:32 AM »
Thank you Rachael I had never seen that article or info before. The article doesn't mention a metal box but wire from one. That Alexei claimant guy is trying to make a coffin out of it and that's not what the story said. Of coursse those who make a life and have fame and even money from supporting a claimant will never give that up. Even when proven wrong they will come up with weak excuses and conspiracy theories.

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Re: MISSING REMAINS DISCOVERED?????
« Reply #104 on: August 25, 2007, 07:31:16 AM »
Yes it is all rather sad.