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Re: MISSING REMAINS DISCOVERED?????
« Reply #285 on: May 07, 2008, 11:22:14 AM »
The opinion of the Orthodox church really should have no bearing on if these are scientifically the remains of Alexei and a sister.

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Re: MISSING REMAINS DISCOVERED?????
« Reply #286 on: May 07, 2008, 12:53:35 PM »
The opinion of the Church will not change the 'reality' of the test results.  The Church's opinion WILL affect the burial of the remains, force them to address their role in the execution of the family, if only by their inaction, and require them to discuss the whole passion bearer/saint/holy martyr issue.

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« Reply #287 on: May 13, 2008, 11:49:39 AM »
when will  they be buried  onthe 90th Anniversary of there  death

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« Reply #288 on: May 13, 2008, 04:22:34 PM »
when will  they be buried  onthe 90th Anniversary of there  death
Very interesting question.---I really don't know. I though about same thing. But, my dears, just almost three months till july 17th 2008. It will be happiset day for Russia, I am sure.....Mystery sloved!  :)
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« Reply #289 on: July 15, 2008, 02:34:51 PM »
For those of you in the US - did you know that National Geographic are showing a new documentary on 22 July about the discovery of the missiing remains and the DNA testing.  See:

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/explorer/3109/Overview

unfortunately here in the UK I have no access to this programme but would welcome feedback on it from other listers. All best wishes Helen

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« Reply #290 on: July 15, 2008, 02:37:47 PM »
PS Oh dear oh dear. If you look at the preview pix of  the actresses playing the girls are seriously not up to scratch.  Oh well ... should be interesting

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« Reply #291 on: July 15, 2008, 03:14:18 PM »
Oh, wow, I agree with you helenrappaport. The women they have portraying the girls appear to be in their thirties or forties! But I really wonder how accurate this documentary will be. In the description of the episode, they make it sound like there were two firing squads: Did Romanov Princess Anastasia survive a Bolshevik firing squad or did she and her brother Crown Prince Alexis perish with their father, Tsar Nicholas II, before another firing squad in 1918? And then in the second photo, they show Bolsheviks chopping body parts watched on by Yrovsky [sic] at night.

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« Reply #292 on: July 15, 2008, 04:09:11 PM »
PS Oh dear oh dear. If you look at the preview pix of  the actresses playing the girls are seriously not up to scratch.  Oh well ... should be interesting

After looking at those preview photos, it appears the makers of the documentary went out of their way to purposely make OTMA as plain and unattractive as possible for the film. Just my opinion, however I suspect the girls themselves would be rather insulted.

Perhaps those who have an opportunity to view the actual entire program will post their opinions on the subject.

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« Reply #293 on: July 16, 2008, 04:13:54 PM »
I seriously doubt that National Geographic went out of their way to find the most unattractive women possible to portray the girls. It's acting. Not modeling. Most younger women in films are portrayed by much older actresses. The women are in their thirties/forties. Maybe if this was an actual feature film instead of a documentary the age and beauty would be more significant but it's just a documentary.
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Re: MISSING REMAINS DISCOVERED?????
« Reply #294 on: July 16, 2008, 06:30:26 PM »
I seriously doubt that National Geographic went out of their way to find the most unattractive women possible to portray the girls. It's acting. Not modeling. Most younger women in films are portrayed by much older actresses. The women are in their thirties/forties. Maybe if this was an actual feature film instead of a documentary the age and beauty would be more significant but it's just a documentary.

My comments regarding the appearance of the actresses chosen to portray OTMA were made tongue-in-cheek and not meant to be taken seriously.

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« Reply #295 on: July 17, 2008, 08:57:43 AM »
Reuters published yesterday July 16:

YEKATERINBURG, Russia - Russia said on Wednesday that charred remains found in a pit belonged to Czar Nicholas II's only son and his daughter, exactly 90 years after the Bolsheviks shocked the world by murdering the last Czar.

Moscow's confirmation that the remains included those of Czar Nicholas' 13-year-old heir, Prince Alexei, came as hundreds of Russians flocked to a church built on the site where the family was gunned down by Bolshevik executioners.

Nicholas II, lampooned by the Soviets as a failure, is considered by many Russians today as a martyr and presented as a symbol of the imperial glory which many now seek to recapture.
In a sign of renewed interest in the imperial past, the last Czar is in first place in an Internet poll to select the greatest Russians, having overtaken Soviet dictator Josef Stalin this week.

"He is a symbol of a great and powerful Russia who also did great things for the country," 18-year-old Yevgeny Chindyasky said at the Church on the Blood where Russian Orthodox believers gathered to mark the 90th anniversary of the Czar's execution.

The Bolsheviks shot the Czar and his family on the night of July 16-17, 1918, in the basement of a merchant's house in the city of Yekaterinburg, 1,450 km (900 miles) east of Moscow.

The bodies of Russia's imperial rulers were burnt, doused in acid to make subsequent identification difficult and dumped in pits without a proper Orthodox burial.

Remains believed to belong to the Czar, his wife and three of his daughters were exhumed after the collapse of the Soviet Union. They were reburied in 1998 in the imperial crypt of the St. Peter and Paul Cathedral in St Petersburg.

But Prince Alexei Nikolayevich and 19-year-old Grand Duchess Maria Nikolayevna were not among those remains.

Last year bone fragments and teeth belonging to two young people were found about 77 yards away from the site where Russia's imperial rulers had been buried.

Teeth and fillings
Forensic scientists said molar teeth and amalgam fillings found with the new remains matched those found among the remains of the other members of the royal family.

Scull fragments showed injuries consistent with bullet wounds. Numerous genetic tests showed the remains of both groups belonged to one family group.

"The overall scientific results, which were based on DNA tests using three genetic systems, agrees with the hypothesis that in the second burial site the remains of Grand Duchess Maria and Tsarevich Alexei have been found," the Prosecutor-General's Office said in a statement.

Since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, the Kremlin and many Russians have sought to reconnect with their pre-revolutionary past.

President Dmitry Medvedev has said he admires Nicholas II, whom many historians blame for being too weak and setting Russia on a path to civil war and dictatorship.



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25704389/

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Re: MISSING REMAINS DISCOVERED?????
« Reply #296 on: July 17, 2008, 03:01:47 PM »
Oh well aside of money,.....I admire Nicholas and his family as well.
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« Reply #297 on: March 30, 2009, 12:47:04 AM »
The identification of Alexei and one of his sisters as the skeletons in the second grave was confirmed in the last couple of weeks by publication of two different scientific DNA studies, one carried out by Russian forensic scientists, the other by an independent American group from the US Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory.

The new American study is entitled "Mystery Solved: The Identification of the Two Missing Romanov Children Using DNA Analysis." It can be read at
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0004838
The abstract reads as follows:
One of the greatest mysteries for most of the twentieth century was the fate of the Romanov family, the last Russian monarchy. Following the abdication of Tsar Nicholas II, he and his wife, Alexandra, and their five children were eventually exiled to the city of Yekaterinburg. The family, along with four loyal members of their staff, was held captive by members of the Ural Soviet. According to historical reports, in the early morning hours of July 17, 1918 the entire family along with four loyal members of their staff was executed by a firing squad. After a failed attempt to dispose of the remains in an abandoned mine shaft, the bodies were transported to an open field only a few kilometers from the mine shaft. Nine members of the group were buried in one mass grave while two of the children were buried in a separate grave. With the official discovery of the larger mass grave in 1991, and subsequent DNA testing to confirm the identities of the Tsar, the Tsarina, and three of their daughters doubt persisted that these remains were in fact those of the Romanov family. In the summer of 2007, a group of amateur archeologists discovered a collection of remains from the second grave approximately 70 meters from the larger grave. We report forensic DNA testing on the remains discovered in 2007 using mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), autosomal STR, and Y- STR testing. Combined with additional DNA testing of material from the 1991 grave, we have virtually irrefutable evidence that the two individuals recovered from the 2007 grave are the two missing children of the Romanov family: the Tsarevich Alexei and one of his sisters.

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« Reply #298 on: March 30, 2009, 04:37:36 AM »
Nice to hear DNA analysis confirmed they are them. Only we can wait for burial. Thank you so much, DNAgenie.
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