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Re: Arts of the table of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2007, 04:03:46 PM »
Robert you are correct.  Most of the huge silver services of the aristocracy were melted down for currency.  the famous picture of the Yussupov silver being catalogued before melting comes to mind.  I have never ever seen a piece of silver directly attributed to the Alexander palace, BUT we just don't know what was sold at Antikvariat nor by Armand Hammer, so there just "might" be a few pieces floating around out there.


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Re: Arts of the table of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2007, 04:47:47 PM »
How would one know such items were specific to the AP I wonder?  The ciphers of N&A would just mean it was during their reign I would think, could have been used anywhere [Livadia, the Train?].  From what I could translate from a book on the Imperial yachts, there were chests of silverware taken aboard when the family traveled, so perhaps the tableware  just went with them, wherever they went? In those days, there were servants who cleaned and controlled the silver inventory,  perhaps in the end they took a few "souvenirs"?
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Re: Arts of the table of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2007, 04:58:57 PM »
Sometimes in the Palace records, they would note down which "service" was used for what occassion, just as the notation that the Blue Border Service was used for Tatiana's birthday.  There may well be a notation for some events which silver service was used, with a sufficient description to identify it, if it shows up.  Also, the Hammer sale items all come with a specific provenance as to location.  The problem with the Hammer sale descriptions is that while "usually" accurate, they aren't always. Sometimes non-Imperial items of equal quality were "dressed up" with an Imperial provenance.  One never knows when these Hammer Gallery items pop up.

The Antiqvariat descriptions were usually relaible, so maybe some lucky tourist picked up a place setting or two of AP silver, and still has the original receipt.

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Re: Arts of the table of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2007, 02:58:22 AM »
Bonjou!
if its can help you I know several site of houses of French sale to the enchéres, or is sells Russian art and objects which have appartenut with certain members of the family imperial.

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Re: Arts of the table of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2007, 08:33:42 AM »
That would be interesting, Alexandre. Especially if they have web sites. Ville Russe in NYC is also a good source. They are pretty thourough in their listing of provenance. I know each of the Imperial Orders and each of the Guards had their own china services, I wonder if they has separate silver as well?
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Re: Arts of the table of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2007, 08:53:44 AM »
Not sure of the Guards and Orders, I would suspect the did. I do know for certain that each Grand Duke/Duchess had individual patterns.  I have pieces from two Grand Ducal services.


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Re: Arts of the table of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2007, 09:21:34 AM »
Re hello!
I know two houses of sales to the enchéres which have a site,
first is Tajan: www.tajan.com
and second is Coutau Begarie:
http://www.coutaubegarie.com/index.php?page=anciens-catalogues&specialite=22

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Re: Arts of the table of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2007, 10:51:14 AM »
Thank you, Alexandre, I shall  check them out for resources! I appreciate your efforts.  My own particular interest is Russian porcelaine, although I no longer collect the stuff.
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Re: Arts of the table of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2007, 03:38:11 PM »
Unfortunately,
 my efforts cannot bring to you much of assistance for the search and the repurchases for its objects

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Re: Arts of the table of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2007, 05:08:50 PM »
Not to worry, Alexandre. I am not the least bit interested in buying the stuff any longer.  Just like looking at it. Sold off my own collections  some time ago.
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Re: Arts of the table of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2007, 03:20:38 AM »
hello!
In one of the windows which are in the old Mauve Living room, there is a tea set out of mauve glass and I would like to know if it belonged to the Empress, thank you in advance

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Re: Arts of the table of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2007, 04:42:19 PM »
Hello,
On November 14, there will be a sale of Russian art, and among the lots are, among several other letters of the Empress and Great duchesses, but also a part of the service of Alexander II, in the imperial Park firm Alexander

http://www.auction.fr/fr/base/lot.php?vente=10929&etude=8&passe=&page=4&nb_pages=6&lot=27&origine=diaporama.php
Translation of article: "Twelve plates banquet table service of Czar Alexander II (1818-1881). Exceptional and rare consists of 6 large plates and 6 plates tablespoons white porcelain, along chantournée bearing on the marli friezes and stylized garlands on a blue background lavender, the centerpiece is the monogram (Alexandre) A letter in gold under imperial crown. The service was conducted for the farm park at Peterhof Alexandre at the time the emperor was still Tsarevich between 1825 and 1855

Russian Labor, manufacture imperial era Nicolas Ist. Brand on the back in blue letter "NI" overcome the imperial crown of Russia
Sunday: 25 cm. Usures time and few accidents in the state.

Source: Tsar Alexander II (1818-1881), his second wife Princess Katia Yourevski born Dolgorouki (1847-1922), he married in 1880 and then by his descendants. "

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Re: Arts of the table of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2007, 01:17:27 PM »
Now the former Lomonosof factory of Peterburg started to make replicas of the palace's  porcelaine.
So anyone could buy it in the special shops.
But the price for such replicas is very high.
maybe it is better to buy the original one from the French auction :)

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Re: Arts of the table of the Alexander Palace
« Reply #28 on: December 08, 2007, 05:36:30 AM »
Hello,
I found a site selling a series of attitude which seems to be part of the service of Alexander Palace. And I would like to know if this is the same service or service resembling it:

http://www.auctioneve.com/pop_up_image.php?vente_statut=O&lang_id=FR&vente_id=EVEL141&item_id=069&photo=069_big.jpg&categorie=&prix_actuel=0