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« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2005, 05:35:10 PM »
Slightly off Thyra, but to return to Marie of Meck.-Strelitz, was her brother (Karl Borwin) killed in a duel with someone who had insulted her? Was it the wicked Jametel himself or someone else?

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« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2005, 12:11:10 PM »
I'd like to know more about Princess Thyra. She's the gap in my readings on the Family. Any suggestions as to good books on the subject?

Princess, bearing illegitimate children, was more frequent than is now believed. Their subsequent treatment depended upon individual circumstances. European society was blessed with an amazing capacity to rationalise or to "forget".

Marie of Mecklenburg-Strelitz found three powerful champions: her grandmother (Dowager GD Augusta, born Princess of Great Britain), Mary of Teck (then Duchess of York), and ultimately Queen Victoria. All three ladies stood by her and cowed would-be detractors into silence. Society generally held that the young duchess had either been drugged, terrorised, or (in the novel opinion of the future George V) hypnotised.
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Also, the last Queen Consort of Naples (born Maria, Duchess in Bavaria) gave birth to an illegitimate daughter several years after her husband was deposed. Very few people knew about it at the time. The baby was secretly delivered at a convent & adopted out. Those who knew simply "forgot" about the situation.

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Re: Princess Thyra's Illegitimate Daughter
« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2005, 03:14:05 PM »
Welcome Paul! It's nice to have you here! Sadly, there hasn't been much written about Thyra, certainly not as much as her sisters. The book A Family of Kings by Theo Aronson is an excellent book on the children and grandchildren of Christian IX, and there is quite a bit on Thyra in there. There is a more recent publication based on the Danish documentary called A Royal Family, by Anne Lerche and Marcus Mandal. It deals with Thryra's life, and mentions her illegitimate child. I cannot reccomend the dvd enough. You can obtain the book and dvd through Majesty magazine (that's where I got mine) but unfortunately the dvd only plays on UK dvd players. (I'm not sure if you're in the UK or not) Those are the only two books that I know of, that deal with Thyra as Thyra...not as the sister of the Princess of Wales, or the Empress of Russia.

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Re: Princess Thyra's Illegitimate Daughter
« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2005, 03:19:31 PM »
 There is a more recent publication based on the Danish documentary called A Royal Family, by Anne Lerche and Marcus Mandal. It deals with Thryra's life, and mentions her illegitimate child. I cannot reccomend the dvd enough. You can obtain the book and dvd through Majesty magazine (that's where I got mine) but unfortunately the dvd only plays on UK dvd players.

The DVD plays on all region 2 DVD players (meaning Western Europe.)  The DVD is actually produced in Denmark.  

However, if one has a an all-region, code free player that converts PAL to NTSC, one can play the DVD.
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« Reply #34 on: January 22, 2005, 09:32:07 AM »
The DVD can be purchased from eurohistory in American version.  The book A Royal Family which is quite a treasure trove can also be purchased from us.

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Re: Princess Thyra's Illegitimate Daughter
« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2005, 01:50:58 PM »
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Slightly off Thyra, but to return to Marie of Meck.-Strelitz, was her brother (Karl Borwin) killed in a duel with someone who had insulted her? Was it the wicked Jametel himself or someone else?


I think that's how it's believed today--and it was supposedly with Jametel over his brutal  treatment of his sister and his blatant carrying on with Eulalia of Spain. At the time I think it was put out that he died of illness.
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« Reply #36 on: January 22, 2005, 02:24:56 PM »
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I think that's how it's believed today--and it was supposedly with Jametel over his brutal átreatment of his sister and his blatant carrying on with Eulalia of Spain. At the time I think it was put out that he died of illness.


Oh dear! Poor man - whether or not it was right in the first place to duel - he might at least be remembered as dying for his sister's honour! And poor Marie too - how must she have felt...

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Re: Princess Thyra's Illegitimate Daughter
« Reply #37 on: February 03, 2006, 12:41:00 PM »
Hiya,

Any new info on the illigitimate daughter? I have one, my wife and I decided to "dig in " to my danish family tree for the first time and have been amaised at what we have found out! We both are endevouring to find someone who could help with some info on the following:

My father is Helge Schioler-Linck (Danish) and moved out to East Africa years ago. His mother (my grand mother) was Thorgeat Singer. She had two sisters, Cyrilla and Gulitza Singer, both who never married. These three sisters mother (my great grand mother, We all called her MorMor) was called Hansine Margrethe Singer, who married Hans Sophus Andreas Iversen.

There was a lot of secrecy and very little or no information on my great grandmother, due to the fact that she said only once, that she was the daughter of Princess Thyra.

As far as info goes, my GGM was born in Austria, the amaising thing is that non of her three daughters knew any info on there mother, as this was taboo and never talked about.

ANy one with info on the family SINGER from Austria and links to Thyra?

Rob

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Re: Princess Thyra's Illegitimate Daughter
« Reply #38 on: February 03, 2006, 08:05:29 PM »
To be honest, there are a lot of ladies claiming to the the illigetimate daughter of Thyra. I think a lot of investigation had to be done before one can say. I believe Thyra knew where her daughter was, but made no attempt to contact. The baby was born in Athens... ::)

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Re: Princess Thyra's Illegitimate Daughter
« Reply #39 on: February 04, 2006, 04:20:16 AM »
Yup, the child they say was born in Greece. Anyone know about any family geneology by the name SINGER, that originated from Austria but with a "Danish" extract?



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Re: Princess Thyra's Illegitimate Daughter
« Reply #40 on: February 04, 2006, 09:24:02 AM »
What proof do you have that the baby girl was named Singer ?  ???

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Re: Princess Thyra's Illegitimate Daughter
« Reply #41 on: January 07, 2009, 11:40:45 PM »
Does the Thora thread still exist? If so, can someone direct me to it. I tried search- no luck. Otherwise, I'd like some info on Thryra's illegitimate daughter having just read the Coryne Hall bio of MF, Thrya's sister. I posted this before seeing there was a large thread on Thyra here.. oops. But I scanned it and it didn't have much info on her daughter, although it had a picture of Marcher, her lover and father of her illegitimate daughter, who commited suicide when their love affair was thwarted. I guess I'm just curious what happened to the girl. Maybe this thread should be combined with the existing Thrya thread. Seeing the portrait of Thrya with one of of her legitimate daughters there, which is lovely, it makes it seem more sad Thyra's first child and illegitimate daughter never had Thrya's involvment as a mother in her life like that ( at least as far as I know), that her legitimate half sisters got.
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Re: Princess Thyra's Illegitimate Daughter
« Reply #42 on: January 08, 2009, 08:35:20 AM »
I don't think they did trace the illegitmate daughter of Thyra. Some books said she lived to ripe old age.

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Re: Princess Thyra's Illegitimate Daughter
« Reply #43 on: January 08, 2009, 10:46:42 AM »
She could have lived to be old. Which books say that if you can recall? I suppose they never traced her because the fact of her existence was covered up at the time, only rumors spoke of it, although one would think in later years someone could have found out something. She grew up with her father dead and unable to have contact with her mother- I wonder whether she ever knew her origins? The other thread has an older post saying that many adopted girls of the birthdate Thrya's daughter had ( late 1871) believed they were her daughter- one can see why, everyone wants to be rich and famous. The post also says nothing has been proven yet- one would think it would have been after all this time.
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Re: Princess Thyra's Illegitimate Daughter
« Reply #44 on: January 08, 2009, 10:51:38 AM »
I thinkThe Danish Royal Family knew of her wherabouts and kept tabs on her, while Thyra never met her.