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Baron Friedrich Stuart, a mysterious man
« on: August 21, 2006, 04:54:24 PM »
Baron Friedrich Stuart (1761-1842), , a mysterious man. He was married to Henriette Kant, niece of Immanuel Kant. They live in Courland, in Libau.

Baron Friedrich Stuart:
http://www.worldisround.com/articles/12452/photo1.html

Henriette Kant:
http://www.worldisround.com/articles/12452/photo2.html

Countessa Theophile Stenbock , b. Baronessa Stuart
http://www.worldisround.com/articles/12452/photo3.html

More:
http://www.worldisround.com/articles/12452/index.html

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Re: Baron Friedrich Stuart, a mysterious man
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2006, 04:55:23 PM »
Letter: Immanuel Kant to Baron Friedrich Stuart

http://www.ikp.uni-bonn.de/kant/briefe/897.html
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Re: Baron Friedrich Stuart, a mysterious man
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2006, 04:58:44 PM »
Baron Friedrich Stuart grandgrandson Count Eric Stenbock, famous poet and writer , friend of Oscar Wilde

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Stenbock


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Re: Baron Friedrich Stuart, a mysterious man
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Re: Baron Friedrich Stuart, a mysterious man
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2006, 05:41:10 PM »
Hi miller 99!

I'm afraid Baron Friedrich Stuart is still a mysterious man to me, in spite of your postings!

What exactly is so interesting about him?   8)
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Re: Baron Friedrich Stuart, a mysterious man
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2006, 10:51:24 AM »
I think he was a Charles II or James II bastard grandgrandson.

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Re: Baron Friedrich Stuart, a mysterious man
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2006, 08:50:08 AM »
I think he was a Charles II or James II bastard grandgrandson.

Neither Charles II nor James II allowed their illegitimate children to use the Stuart surname, which makes it highly unlikely that Baron Friedrich Stuart was a descendant of either of them.  Further, their illegitimate children (and their descendants) habitually named their own children after famous Stuarts.  They regularly named boys Charles, James, or William (or a combination thereof i.e. Charles James Fox) while girls were usually named Charlotte, Mary, Anne, Henrietta Maria, or (poor things) Jemima.  Friedrich (or Frederick) was not a Stuart name.  I believe it came into fashion in England after George II’s eldest son Frederick, Prince of Wales, (Poor Fred) arrived in London and delighted society by fighting incessantly with his parents.  Your Baron might have been named after Poor Fred but the fact that he used the German spelling makes it more likely that he was named after a powerful patron in Germany. 

Your Baron may well have had ties to the royal branch of the House of Stuart.  Many Scots made a living as mercenaries during the frequent wars that took place in Germany during the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries.  Your Baron might have been a descendant of a Stuart soldier of fortune who won a title and perhaps an estate from a grateful employer and settled down permanently in Germany as a result.  It's quite possible that that employer might have been one of the Dukes of Courland.   James I and VI was the godfather of James Ketler, Duke of Courland, who was very proud of that fact.  A friendly relationship was maintained between the two courts until the Restoration of Charles II, when the relationship broke down because Charles could not repay large sums of money that his late father had borrowed from the Duke.  Perhaps King James or the first King Charles sent a young Stuart kinsman to make his fortune at the court of Courland during the years when the courts got along well.  Without more information, it's difficult to speculate.

Hope this helps...   

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Re: Baron Friedrich Stuart, a mysterious man
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2006, 12:32:59 PM »
Ambassador Henning von Wistinghausen ( Baron Friedrich Stuart is ancestor of ambassador) wrote
that Baron Friedrich Stuart cam to Courland with Louis XVIII . Louis live in Mitau in Napoleon time. 

Baron Stuart say to childern that he growing up in Germany, river Reine /probably in  Hessen or North-West Germany/.

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Re: Baron Friedrich Stuart, a mysterious man
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2006, 03:17:45 PM »
Look! Timothy Boettger genealogy of Barons Stuart from Courland.

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Re: Baron Friedrich Stuart, a mysterious man
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2006, 04:51:47 PM »
Hey. Milller 99, do you think it's a good idea to be descended from the Stuarts or not?

Just wondered!
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Re: Baron Friedrich Stuart, a mysterious man
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2006, 10:25:44 AM »
If you know about childern Baron Friedrich Stuart, about Eric Count Stenbock, about Reynard Cowper...
Legendary people!  ;D
Supertalented !