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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => Tatiana Nicholaievna => Topic started by: Tasha_R on March 31, 2005, 02:08:27 PM
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As I just did in Marie's and Anastasia's threads, this topic is to assist those who would like to be able to picture the Grand Duchesses in full color and demeanor:
Name: Tatiana Nicholaievna Romanova
Date of birth: May 29 / June 10, 1897
Eye color: deep grey
Hair color: dark brown/auburn
Nickname: the governess, Tanya
Name day: January 12
Other things we could add, of course, would be things like favorite gem, favorite perfume scent, etc.
Please note: Robert Massie describes it as auburn. "Auburn" is technically a color which includes some red in it - some see it more as a red, others see it more as a brown with some red in it.
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name's day 12 january
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29 May/10 June 1895. Nickname: Tanya.
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29 May/10 June 1895. Nickname: Tanya.
You mean 1897, right? Sorry, I don't mean to nitpick, I just don't want you catching grief from anyone else... :-*
Regards,
Arianwen
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ARG! What an awful typo. Yes, 1897. I do that a lot. I'll type in one girl's birthyear while thinking/writing about another one!
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i thought her hair was dark brown, not auburn?
selina xxxxxxxxxxxx
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It was dark brown.
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The problem with that is some people say it was dark brown, others auburn! It seems like she had auburn hair as a child but it darkened to brown when she got older. That's the impression I get too. It's the same with Anastasia and Maria, lots of conflict with their hair color and eye color too.
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aaaaaaaaaaah i see, thanks for explaining it, i wonder where she got the auburn from?
selina xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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aaaaaaaaaaah i see, thanks for wxplaining it, i wonder where she got the auburn from?
selina xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Alix had reddish-brown hair...so probably from her mother.
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I think Tatiana had Jasmine perfume. ::)
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I believe she was about 5' 7", wasn't she? The tallest of the girls? Was she also referred to as Tatya?
Pasha
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Seeing as MN was around 5'6"-5'7" I'd say TN was about 5'8" or even 5'9". I think she was also called Tatya/Tatia. :)
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I do not think she was called Tatia. It is something VERY rare. Do you know some document with that name? I nerver heard that.
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I do not think she was called Tatia. It is something VERY rare. Do you know some document with that name? I nerver heard that.
I think I read it SOMEWHERE, but mostly I've just seen 'Tanya'.
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Tanya or Tanechka would be more normal.
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I have seen the reference to the name Tatya. I believe it was a letter or diary notation from one of the sisters. Tanya would also make sense. I will see if I can track it down. As with Marie, it's quite possible they each had a few nicknames (Masha, Mashka, Marushka).
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Well, Tania is the normal diminutive of Tatiana. It would be very strange if she wasn't called that by someone, somewhere along the line. ;)
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I always thought her hair was dark brown or black.
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looks good to me
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I don't think her hair was black...
Her faveorite perfume was Jasmine De Corse
She was called the govorness (but I think you all know this)
Does anyone know her faveorite color or faveorite book?
:) Dana
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Well it was certainly dark enough to make her look quite exotic.
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That's true. :)
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While the darkness of her hair may contribute to that "exotic" look, I've always thought it was the shape of her eyes and cheekbones that made her look especially so. IMHO
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Oh yes, Tasha_R. The eyes and facial features are the core of her exotic look, but her dark hair is the icing on the cake, so to speak. ;)
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Can some one remake the list of Tatiana’s stats, with intro, some like her temper/ (i.e. as a child she had a bit of a temper and a "big round head”, but she was passionate and warm, and don't forget charming and witty!!!)Please. Weigh at birth
Love always,
Alix
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LOL It was Olga who had the big, round head and the short temper! Tatiana was very reserved and most of the time managed to keep her emotions under control.
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Well, Tania is the normal diminutive of Tatiana. It would be very strange if she wasn't called that by someone, somewhere along the line. ;)
Unless she preferred Tatia...for example, there are a few diminuitives of Arianwen. My husband calls me Aria, my favourite of the nicknames, and he's the only person to do so. My German relatives call me Anna, which I don't really like. A few people call me Ari because they can't pronounce my full name, and one girl at uni even asked if she could call me Gwen. I said sure, as long as she didn't expect me to answer ('wen' is a shortened version of 'gwen'). We're planning on naming one of our girls Tatiana, but as we both hate the name Tanya, she'll probably be going by either her full name, as I do, or by Tatia.
Just my thoughts, of course.
Regards,
Arianwen
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I always thought her hair was dark brown or black.
I always heard it described as a deep auburn or a deep brown with reddish highlights, like her mother. I also read frequently that she had the same blue-grey eyes as her mother and the rest of her siblings, that only Maria inherited her father's pure blue.
Regards,
Arianwen
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I heard that OMA had blue eyes and Tania pure grey?
sopzxx :)
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I heard that OMA had blue eyes and Tania pure grey?
sopzxx :)
Most people seem to say that OMA had blue eyes; Maria's darker than Olga's or Anastasia's. Most people in regards to Tatiana say she has gray eyes; maybe they were blue-gray but were more gray-colored. Anna Vyrubova said that her eyes were dark and seemed black at night. Buxhoeveden said her eyes were brown; Meriel Buchanan who didn't know T so well said Tatiana's were amber.
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Wow, Lanie, that's quite a variety of conflicting reports, huh! I guess we will never know what color her eyes were exactly.
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Maybe hazel? My boyfriend has hazel eyes and they look brown sometimes and gray other times, sometimes blueish-gray.
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my example was olga's info, thats all. But I would love if we can all comple all the info on tatiana's life and post it here.Favorite books, colors of dress. pictures and the such.
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Her favorite perfum was Jasmin;she was the tallest and most 'on shape' of he sisters;Tanya was the closest daughter to Alix,and was also the most fashionable.
She enjoyed playing piano more than painting;She was new as the governess by her sisters...
I think she also had that regal and royal look,more than her sisters did.And Aleksey was her male-version ;) (check out a pic where Tanya has very short hair and Aleksey is sitted by her side on a chair)
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I heard she liked the colors pink and blue but I don't know where I heard it from so I may be wrong. ;)
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Dear Alix,
In regards to your request of reposting the first message in the thread with "up to date statistics", it is my intention to do so at some point. However, as you can see, there are a number of conflicting pieces of information, and I'm waiting until it all sorts itself out in order to provide the most accurate description.
It would be rather difficult to update it, and then have to update it again, and again...
Sincere regards,
Tasha
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thanks.
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I always heard it described as a deep auburn or a deep brown with reddish highlights, like her mother. I also read frequently that she had the same blue-grey eyes as her mother and the rest of her siblings, that only Maria inherited her father's pure blue.
Regards,
Arianwen
Well, I think we can actually tell a lot more from black and white pics than we think we can. In all the black and white versions I've seen of Tatiana with her mother and sisters, her hair's color is considerably darker than everyone's. So I'm thinking she had much darker hair than Alix. The same can be said for eyes. In many pictures you can tell what shade of blue they probably were. For example, Olga's eyes in many pics appear to have the lightest gray imparted on them. Therefore I conclude she had aquamarine eyes since I also know from personal accounts that her eyes were some shade of blue. Etc, etc.
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I have a question. What sorts of songs did Tatiana like? Did she have a favorite?
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i don't know about that...
i mean i know that they had a machine that played them, i forget the word of it right now, but i don't really know the songs of the time period.
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I don't know if we can tell about eye colour from a black and white pic...even from a colour one, since light influences toomuch in colour...I appears in most of my ics with RED eyes.... (GRRRR).
I know the example of a Mexican actor named Ramon Valdez who played "Don Ramón" in a Mexican TV sitcom named "El Chavo del Ocho". All people believed he had green eyes, but it seeems that the dark ambiance of the studies thei were running on (there where the 70's), darkened his eyes. He had BLUE eyes, not green. This could be clearly seen at his latest movies in the 80', all of them run in bright sun. All his family confirmed he had blue eyes...
I think that in a black and white pic, is harder to tell. My nephew Alberto has dark blue eyes and in some colour pics he appears as having brown, black or red eyes...
I know some famous songs from earlier XX Century for I love Vintage music, but the case is that I don't know what kind of Music OTMAA colud love...Anyone?
RealAnastasia.
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Didn't Tatiana like the song Villikins and his Dinah?
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Well...that was a song that her nanny sang to her when she was little...
I have the lyrics,if you would like them? :)
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Well...that was a song that her nanny sang to her when she was little...
I have the lyrics,if you would like them? :)
I have them already. Thanks anyway!
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Tatiana was born at 10:40 in the morning. She weighed 8 1/4 lbs and was 54 cm long.
Her favorite pet was her French bulldog, Ortino. (There were two Ortinos, but I think the second one was the one everyone liked.)
Her regiment was the Uhlan Lancers.
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Look at this Jasmine de Corse box:
http://www.jz-rose.com/Vanity_Bath/item/12107535
I think Tatiana would like it!
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Had Tatiana ever acted haughtily? ( I think she didn't ever in her whole life)
It is because most of the people on her time saw or perceived her as haughty.
Or...are the manners of being regal perceived as haughtiness before?
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Had Tatiana ever acted haughtily? ( I think she didn't ever in her whole life)
It is because most of the people on her time saw or perceived her as haughty.
Or...are the manners of being regal perceived as haughtiness before?
Tatiana Nikolaevna was generally shy , and just like her mother this was sometimes accounted for as haughtiness and pride.
I 've always found this excerpt from Lili Dehn' s book to be useful:
"The Grand Duchess Tatiana was as charming as her sister Olga, but in a different way. She has been described as proud, but I never knew anyone less so. With her, as with her mother, shyness and reserve were accounted as pride, but, once you knew her and had gained her affection, this reserve disappeared, and the real Tatiana became apparent. She was a poetical creature, always yearning for the ideal, and dreaming of great friendships which might be hers. The Emperor loved her devotedly, they had much in common, and the sisters used to laugh, and say that, if a favour were required, "Tatiana must ask Papa to grant it." She was very tall, and excessively thin, with a cameolike profile, deep blue eyes, and dark chestnut hair... a lovely Rose maiden, fragile and pure as a flower."
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Valentina Chebotareva’s diary entry dated December 4 (an operation with a soldier surnamed Smirnov)
…..I boiled novocaine and Tatyana alone gathered and boiled the tools, and prepared the tables and clothes necessary for the operation. After 25 minutes, everything was ready. The operation went smoothly. The first cut, however, was difficult. A river of smelly pus poured out. It’s my first time in my life to have nausea witnessing that. Tatyana had no reaction. When Smirnov complains, her (Tatyana’s) face twiches and becomes crimson…
Same diary dated January 8
Tayana helped me cleaning the tools and boiling the silk. While we were doing those, dear Tatyana asked me about my childhood and if I have brothers and sisters…
October 24, 1915
Tatyana (baby) is the first one to arrive. She then tells us “I am going here as this is my second home. Indeed, it’s nice and cozy.”She then ran with me to the kitchen and there, we prepared bandages…
Same diary…April 2, 1917
Barbara Afanasevna received letters from Tatyana and Rita. On her lette, Tatyana wrote; “I head that the hospital moved to new premises. Yesterday, I ordered dishes to be delivered to you. The letter you’ll send me will go through censorship first….
Valentina Chebotareva’s Diary excerpts
January 8, 1916
….Shakh Bagov claims he’s a palm reader. When Olga gave her hand to predict on, Shakh told her she would have 12 children. On Tatyana’s turn, he told her she has a very interesting hand; A line of fate suddenly interrupted and makes a sharp turn to the side. He assures her that should mean something extraordinary…...
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Valentina Chebotareva’s Diary excerpts
January 8, 1916
….Shakh Bagov claims he’s a palm reader. When Olga gave her hand to predict on, Shakh told her she would have 12 children. On Tatyana’s turn, he told her she has a very interesting hand; A line of fate suddenly interrupted and makes a sharp turn to the side. He assures her that should mean something extraordinary…...
Where did you find these in English? This entry in particular is somewhat different from the translations I've come up with.
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Ingrid - those are GREAT! Thank you so much.
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I agree with Ally ! Those are lovely ! I 'm grateful for any sweet diary entries I read about the Grand Duchesses . ;)
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Probably translated ones from Russian website, just IMO. I love it, too. Tatiana was , according to accounts, 'princess', but ones states her manners wasn't like a princess' ones.
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I actually got it from the links you placed on V.C.'s topic, Sarah! Thank you so much! I translated those from Russian through Google Translator and I corrected (???I hope so) the grammar as the translator is doing it in wrong grammar.
Thank you so much for all your thanks!
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She’s had the most photos where she posed showing her profile
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From the Biography of Olga N. by Meriel Buchanan
- the Grand Duchess Tatiana once asked a lady-in-waiting how much one could buy for a hundred roubles, and would it, for instance, pay for a pair of gloves. She was very surprised when told that even the most expensive gloves would not cost more than twenty-five roubles.
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Would anybody happen to know what happened with Tatiana´s refugee commitee after Bolsheviks seaized the power? I once heard it´s still functioning, is that true?
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Does anyone know if any of the palaces can be stayed in by civilians with out some sort invitation?
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Godfathers:
King Christian IX of Denmark
Grand Duke George Alexandrovich
Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevich
George V of England
Godmothers:
Dowager Empress Marie Feodorovna
Maria Alexandrovna, Duchess of Saxe-Coburg & Gotha
Grand Duchess Xenia Alexandrovna
Princess Victoria of Battenburg
Regiment:
8th Voznesensky Uhlans
Name Day:
Jan. 12th/25th
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There were two Ortinos, but I think the second one was the one everyone liked
And that was the one that ended up at Ipatiev House.
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Full name: Tatiana Nicholaevna Romanova.
Full title: Her Imperial Highness Grand Duchess Tatiana Nicholeavna Romanova of Russia.
Birth: June 10th 1996
Death: July 17th 1918
Hight: 5'9 (that's what I've seen in lots of books and websites,could be wrong. But it is the most popular belief)
Hair color: It was dirty blonde when she was a baby then auburn through childhood and her short adult life. Auburn being red-ish brown.
Eye color: Blue but mostly gray.
Nicknames: Tatya,Tanunshka,Tatia,The Governess,Little Mother.
Personalty: She was very mothering and caring. She was naturally talented in anything she did. And she loved sewing and fashion. She adored being a nurse and enjoyed her time as one. Her favorite perfume was Jasmine and another French kind I can't remember. She was closest to her mother and sister Olga. And the most popular sister while alive.
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Had Tatiana ever acted haughtily? ( I think she didn't ever in her whole life)
It is because most of the people on her time saw or perceived her as haughty.
Or...are the manners of being regal perceived as haughtiness before?
She was regal. But only haughtily when someone deeply offended her. There was one time while in captivity the guards were yelling curse words and she told them something on the lines of "Stop such talk!" From then on all the guards thought she was stuck up. But she was under a lot of stress,and that's probably why she might have came off as haughty.
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Birth: June 10th 1996
Death: July 17th 1918
She died 78 years before she was born!? Someone call Doctor Who :)
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Birth: June 10th 1996
Death: July 17th 1918
She died 78 years before she was born!? Someone call Doctor Who :)
AHHHHHHHHHHH! Bad,BAD typo!! That is what 12o'clock at night with no coffee does to you. I meant: 1897
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Her official nicknames were only Tatianochka (the Nurse Chebotareva called her this way) and The Governess ;) The others, I think, you read from livadia.org?
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Hi! This is Olga Bernice. Um, I was just thinking about Tatiana and her various characteristics. I know she was beautiful and loved to play the piano (maybe she didn't love it, but she was the best at it), but most biographers seem to say that she was around her mother alot and make her feel cold and bossy. Is this true? And if or if not, please provide examples - anecdotes, diary entries, even photos and their captions if that provides anything to the topic - to prove your point.
PS. If their is already a thread like this, please post me the link. Deepest apologies if there is one and I couldn't find it!
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Some anecdotes I'd compiled about Tatiana's personality:
…her looks gave her a poetic far-away look, not quite keeping in with her character, which was a mixture of exactness, thoroughness and perseverance…She was closest in sympathy to her mother… She was completely unselfish…It was Tatiana Nicolaievna who took care of the little ones, and who was a constant help to the household…She had the Empress's practical mind and love of detail…When her brother was ill, Tatiana could take her mother's place, following the doctor's directions and playing with the sick boy for hours. Out of a sense of duty, she undertook more than her share of public appearances…she could make up her mind in an emergency quicker than her elder sister, and never lost her head…--Baroness Sophie Buxhoevden
"Tatiana was rather reserved, essentially well balanced, and had a will of her own…If the Tsarina made any difference between her children, Tatiana Nicolaievna was her favorite. It was not that her sisters loved their mother any less, but Tatiana knew how to surround her with unwearying attentions…tutor Pierre Gilliard
Kindly and sympathetic of disposition, she displayed towards her younger sisters and her brother such a protecting spirit that they, in fun, nicknamed her "the governess." --Anna Vyrubova, friend of Tsarina Alexandra.
She was reserved, restrained and independent, with good powers of concentration. She liked needlework, house-keeping, everyday domestic affairs. Thanks to this straight character, she was regarded as the eldest daughter rather than Olga. She was the most like her mother of all the sisters and was her closest friend and advisor. --Tutor Gibbes
“…as charming as her sister Olga, but in a different way. She has been described as proud, but I never knew anyone less so.” --tsarina’s friend Lili (Julia) Dehn.
“Like their mother, they were addicted to perfume…Tatiana favored Jasmine…” Lili Dehn.
The Tsarina herself taught them sewing and needlework, her best pupil being Tatiana, who had an extraordinary talent for all kinds of handwork. ~Anna Vyrubova.
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She was reserved, restrained and independent, with good powers of concentration. She liked needlework, house-keeping, everyday domestic affairs. Thanks to this straight character, she was regarded as the eldest daughter rather than Olga. She was the most like her mother of all the sisters and was her closest friend and advisor. --Tutor Gibbes
I know this is about Tatiana... but are Gibbes' Memoires only in Russian cause it's not one of the online books! If so what did he say about OMA?
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Thank you, GD Andrea! That's giving me some insight on her true character!
RHB, I don't know about Gilliard's book, but I do know that Ms. Margaretta Eager's book, Six Years At The Russian Court, is on the Gilbert's books website, if you're interested in that.
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I said Gibbes not Gilliard but thanks for the info anyhow! :)
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She was reserved, restrained and independent, with good powers of concentration. She liked needlework, house-keeping, everyday domestic affairs. Thanks to this straight character, she was regarded as the eldest daughter rather than Olga. She was the most like her mother of all the sisters and was her closest friend and advisor. --Tutor Gibbes
I know this is about Tatiana... but are Gibbes' Memoires only in Russian cause it's not one of the online books! If so what did he say about OMA?
I got this off somewhere online, Livadia.org I think, so someone must have translated bits of them. I know it's off topic, but here's a bit about Olga:
She was hot tempered, but did not bear grudges. She had her father's heart, but lacked his consistency....straightforward and sincere, she was unable to conceal her feelings and was evidently closer to her father than her mother. --Tutor Charles Gibbes
Maria:
She was the most unaffected, affectionate, and friendly member of the family. By nature, she was the archetypal mother. She loved little children, especially playing with and fussing over them. She loved being with ordinary people: she would talk to the soldiers, asking them about their home life. --Tutor Gibbes.
Nothing about Anastasia...
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Thank you Andrea for your response! I must say though that my favorite about Tatiana (getting back to her) has to be Lili Dehn's... why i don't know actually!
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I said Gibbes not Gilliard but thanks for the info anyhow! :)
Sorry! I knew that, I knew that, I did, but sometimes if you have two "G" names it gets confusing! :-[
Thank you Andrea for your response! I must say though that my favorite about Tatiana (getting back to her) has to be Lili Dehn's... why i don't know actually!
I'll have to agree. Lili Dehn describes her very well. ;)
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I know this is about Tatiana... but are Gibbes' Memoires only in Russian cause it's not one of the online books! If so what did he say about OMA?
To my knowledge, Gibbes never wrote an official memoir. The closest thing is The House of Special Purpose (http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/books.html?sku=9), by John C. Trewin, which was compiled from Gibbes's papers. There is also a short biography by Frances Welch called The Romanovs and Mr. Gibbes (http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/books.html?sku=58), but it doesn't contain much info about the imperial family.
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Regarding her height - from most photos in which she appears standing next to Nicholas as a mture girl, and allowing for the 18 inch-ish heel on Nicholas's boots, Tatiana would seem to be about 5'7".
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the 18 inch-ish heel on Nicholas's boots
18 inch heel? Surely, a typo! :)
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LondonGirl - I'm just wondering: I'd always heard it was Maria who was 5'6-7, and Tatiana was more of a 5'8-9ish type. Or maybe she just looked it, because she was so tall and slender?
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Regarding the OTMAA's heights, I'd suggest you to look for thread The Imperial Children's Heights in The Imperial Family section.
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aaaaaaaaaaah i see, thanks for explaining it, i wonder where she got the auburn from?
selina xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Nicholas is also stated somewhere as having a 'reddish' beard. Can't remember the source of where I read it though.
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Nicholas is also stated somewhere as having a 'reddish' beard. Can't remember the source of where I read it though.
It's in an interview with an older Russian man in a documentary. Don't recall which one at the moment -- Last of the Czars or Russia's Last Tsar.
Nicholas's hair was definitely red-toned. I have a photo of a lock that was saved by his mother. I can post it later tonight if nobody beats me to it.
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Nicholas is also stated somewhere as having a 'reddish' beard. Can't remember the source of where I read it though.
It's in an interview with an older Russian man in a documentary. Don't recall which one at the moment -- Last of the Czars or Russia's Last Tsar.
Nicholas's hair was definitely red-toned. I have a photo of a lock that was saved by his mother. I can post it later tonight if nobody beats me to it.
Hello, "Sarushka"! As to the photo you mention, possibly you are referring to the lock of the Emperor's hair that was exhibited with its keeping envelope annotated in pencil in the Empress' hand in English ("Nicky's hair when three years old. Alix") that was in the travelling exhibition, "Nicholas and Alexandra, The Last Imperial Family of Tsarist Russia." I personally saw that specimen twice in the Wilmington, Delaware, USA showing and was struck by the inclusion of a reddish tinge, being described at the exhibition as "strawberry blonde." Its location attribution was given as the "State Archive of the Russian Federation ГА РФ. Ф.640. Оп.2.Д.14 ." Regards, AP.
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Exactly:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Art%20and%20Letters/th_nickyshairatthreeyeatrsold.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/sarahelizabethii/Romanov/Art%20and%20Letters/?action=view¤t=nickyshairatthreeyeatrsold.jpg)
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the 18 inch-ish heel on Nicholas's boots
18 inch heel? Surely, a typo! :)
Yes!!!! LOL - sorry about that, it was very much a typo! ;D
I meant about 1.8 inch - the heels on his boots look like they're somewhere between 1.5 and 2 inches to me.
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LondonGirl - I'm just wondering: I'd always heard it was Maria who was 5'6-7, and Tatiana was more of a 5'8-9ish type. Or maybe she just looked it, because she was so tall and slender?
Yes I think Tatiana was maybe an inch or so taller than Olga, and maybe than Maria too. She looks about the same sort of height as Nicholas to me roughly - so I suppose about 5'7 ish or maybe 5'8". Its not always easy because a lot of photos are standing on snow which can be uneven. She is clearly over average height though and has the elegant poise of a slim taller girl. She could easily have been a model these days i think!
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I found on a website that when Tatiana was a baby Alix described her as a "'Full of wondrous eyes but, yet a crybaby''. Could someone tell me if this quote is true? And if it's so, when (year, month) did she tell it? Just in case, here is the link of the webpage where I found it:
http://4innocentprincesses.webs.com/tatiana.htm (http://4innocentprincesses.webs.com/tatiana.htm)
Thanks in advance =)
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Click here (http://www.queenvictoriasjournals.org/search/displayItemFromId.do?FormatType=fulltextimgsrc&QueryType=articles&ItemID=18970610) to read Queen Victoria's diary entry with the news of Tatiana's birth, "which is rather a disappointment."
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Disappointment!?!? In my eyes it was wonderful when my favourite GD was born. My cat proudly carries her name.
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lol, nice Tim...
Disappointing for the Queen that she didn't live long enough to see the birth of the Russian heir of course...
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Click here (http://www.queenvictoriasjournals.org/search/displayItemFromId.do?FormatType=fulltextimgsrc&QueryType=articles&ItemID=18970610) to read Queen Victoria's diary entry with the news of Tatiana's birth, "which is rather a disappointment."
Please, here, too, I need help for a transcription~ Thanks!
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I'm unsure of what you want, GP Shandroise. Do you want it posted here?
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The diary entry itself, Kassy (T_T) Yes, if you can, may you post it here?
If there are also members who can't see what's in that link, your post will certainly be very helpful.
Thank you very much : )
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I wish I could, but unfortunately I am unable to pay and get in either. It would be an interesting read.