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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => The Greek Royal Family => Topic started by: Clemence on September 10, 2007, 06:50:32 AM

Title: Relations between the Greek royal family & other royal houses
Post by: Clemence on September 10, 2007, 06:50:32 AM
any ideas why thery didnt get along much?
Title: Re: Relations between the Greek royal family & other royal houses
Post by: Vecchiolarry on September 10, 2007, 01:49:09 PM
Hi,

I think Marie and Ferdinand would get along with George and Olga, as they were cousins of varying degrees.
Marie offered Olga refuge after the revolution but I can't remember whether Olga accepted or not.

The main reason for any anomosity would have been in the next generation.
Carol of Roumania married Helen of Greece and that didn't work out.  In fact, Carol treated her very badly.
George II of Greece married Elisabeth of Roumania and they didn't like each other much.
This should have been a grand uniting of royalty (a Roumanian brother & sister marrying a Greek brother & sister)  but it just desolved into a royal feud.
Pity...

Larry
Title: Re: Relations between the Greek royal family & other royal houses
Post by: Clemence on September 11, 2007, 11:10:09 AM
true ... not to mention how much the romanian side didn't want alexandra to marry king peter of yougoslavia ...

but since there were never bad feelings between the romanian and greek people and royal families were somehow all connected I just wondered if there could be something more there ...
Title: Re: Relations between the Greek royal family & other royal houses
Post by: dmitri on September 11, 2007, 07:25:06 PM
I think Princess Elizabeth of Romania was considered odd and very selfish even by her own family. It is not surprising that her marriage to George II did not work out. He had the last laugh though as he was restored as King after the departure of the Nazi Germans and what was she then? She had diivorced him and was basically nothing.
Title: Re: Relations between the Greek royal family & other royal houses
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on September 11, 2007, 08:06:12 PM
Yes, she was a very odd creature
as was Carol....the way he cheated on Elena....and then ditching them, leaving the country to his five year old son....immature if you ask me
Title: Re: Relations between the Greek royal family & other royal houses
Post by: dmitri on September 11, 2007, 08:10:25 PM
Carol II was a weird one. He was totally irresponsible. Apart from Helen, the one who I really felt sorry for was Michael. Carol II just really did not care about his son. Even today Michael is ambivalent at best about his father.
Title: Re: Relations between the Greek royal family & other royal houses
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on September 11, 2007, 08:20:40 PM
who could blame him? i mean seeing the pain his father put his mother through...
being a little boy of five, learning that you are now king cause your dad ran off with his mistress and abandoned you...
gah...he's even lucky he got to see his son after he came back...
Title: Re: Relations between the Greek royal family & other royal houses
Post by: dmitri on September 11, 2007, 08:59:16 PM
Michael found the whole situation very awkward. I think he never really trusted or relaxed with his father.
Title: Re: Relations between the Greek royal family & other royal houses
Post by: Iskenderbey on September 12, 2007, 04:02:45 PM
Michael found the whole situation very awkward. I think he never really trusted or relaxed with his father.

Well it depends on which generation you are speaking about.
Obviously King Michael had extremely close relations with his Greek family.  After all, King Paul was his maternal uncle, and King Constantine and Queen Sofia his 1st cousins.  Michael did marry in Greece and they attend each other's events.

Marie and Sophie were two different people, with two different characters.  Marie flamboyant though charming.  Sophie dutiful yet very serious.  Unfortunately, their children had their mother's characteristics and this is probably why the marriage of Carol and Helen didn't work.
Regards

Title: Re: Relations between the Greek royal family & other royal houses
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 12, 2007, 08:24:27 PM
Well...Sophie was very reserved while Missy was very modern and forward. Like chalk and cheece I guess.  ???
Title: Re: Relations between the Greek royal family & other royal houses
Post by: Iskenderbey on September 13, 2007, 10:34:23 AM
Well...Sophie was very reserved while Missy was very modern and forward. Like chalk and cheece I guess.  ???

I  may be a bit biased, but all that modernity and forwardeness didn't help Marie when it came to her children, who ended up being spoiled brats and incompetent royals, whereas as Sophie's children were all dutiful and played their roles satisfactorily. 
Title: Re: Relations between the Greek royal family & other royal houses
Post by: dmitri on September 13, 2007, 12:22:53 PM
Sophie had to endure great sadness. I can understand her predicament. 
Title: Re: Relations between the Greek royal family & other royal houses
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 13, 2007, 11:43:45 PM
Indeed...But she turned bitter quite early on. Missy had her trials too, but she chose to move on.  :)
Title: Re: Relations between the Greek royal family & other royal houses
Post by: dmitri on September 14, 2007, 01:48:39 AM
Marie never had to go through the periods of exile that Sophie endured. Marie never had to deal with her husband being deposed and losing the country over which he reigned. She also never had to deal with having Wilhelm II as her brother. Marie did though suffer cruelly due to the vindictive petty behaviour of her notorious son, Carol II.
Title: Re: Relations between the Greek royal family & other royal houses
Post by: Laura_ on September 15, 2007, 09:34:47 AM
all of her children? are you sure? 


I  may be a bit biased, but all that modernity and forwardeness didn't help Marie when it came to her children, who ended up being spoiled brats and incompetent royals, whereas as Sophie's children were all dutiful and played their roles satisfactorily. 
Title: Re: Relations between the Greek royal family & other royal houses
Post by: Clemence on September 15, 2007, 10:48:28 AM
all of her children? are you sure? 


I  may be a bit biased, but all that modernity and forwardeness didn't help Marie when it came to her children, who ended up being spoiled brats and incompetent royals, whereas as Sophie's children were all dutiful and played their roles satisfactorily. 

Laurra would you mind to explain what you mean pls?
Title: Re: Relations between the Greek royal family & other royal houses
Post by: Laura_ on September 15, 2007, 11:18:16 AM
sorry ..i asked if he's sure all of Marie's children were as he describes them.
Title: Re: Relations between the Greek royal family & other royal houses
Post by: KarlandZita on September 16, 2007, 09:33:53 AM
I have a question.

On the common photos with the Royal Family of Romania, we often sees sitted Princess Irene of Greece near to Prince Nicolas of Romania. Did they have feelings one for the other and if so, why they did not marry ?
Title: Re: Relations between the Greek royal family & other royal houses
Post by: XJaseyRaeX on September 16, 2007, 11:19:56 AM
I can see Marie's two eldest being spoilt, by Queen Elizabeth....but not the younger ones...especially Ileana....i dunno..i just never have gotten a spoilt vibe from reading about her :-\
Title: Re: Relations between the Greek royal family & other royal houses
Post by: grandduchessella on September 16, 2007, 07:33:57 PM
I have a question.

On the common photos with the Royal Family of Romania, we often sees sitted Princess Irene of Greece near to Prince Nicolas of Romania. Did they have feelings one for the other and if so, why they did not marry ?

There were rumors of an engagement but I don't think their own feelings were engaged and the quickly apparent disasters of the other 2 Greek/Romanian couples might have put an end to any chance.
Title: Re: Relations between the Greek royal family & other royal houses
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 16, 2007, 09:27:55 PM
Yes...Irene & Nicholas was briefly engaged, but broke it off soon after.  :(
Title: Re: Relations between the Greek royal family & other royal houses
Post by: AlexM. on September 26, 2007, 06:20:07 AM
Anyone knows more about realations between Serbian and Greek Royal Families?
Title: Re: Relations between the Greek royal family & other royal houses
Post by: royaltybuff on September 26, 2007, 07:30:19 AM
King Peter II of Serbia married King Alexander of Greece's only child, Princess Alexandra. They had one son, Crown Prince Alexander of Serbia, the pretender to the throne.
Title: Re: Relations between the Greek royal family & other royal houses
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 26, 2007, 09:49:48 PM
Also Paul of Yugoslavia (serbia) married Princess Olga of Greece.  :)
Title: Re: Relations between the Greek royal family & other royal houses
Post by: AlexM. on October 10, 2007, 08:31:34 AM
Thanks for informations but when i ask for realations between two families i mean for the present time, and i think that arent good. i wish to have wrong..... Any informations about the realations between HM Konstantinos and CP Alexander of Serbia?
Title: Re: Relations between the Greek royal family & other royal houses
Post by: Ilias_of_John on October 10, 2007, 04:47:01 PM
H.M Konstantine was best man to C.P Alexander and  C.P Katherine at their wedding, plus they are also cousins.
What makes you think there's a rift?
Title: Re: Relations between the Greek royal family & other royal houses
Post by: Eric_Lowe on October 10, 2007, 08:48:35 PM
I think he is just inquiring. Although there seem to be a rift between CP Alexander of Serbia and his cousin Prince Alexander of Serbia.  :(
Title: Re: Relations between the Greek royal family & other royal houses
Post by: Marc on May 21, 2009, 09:03:05 PM
I have just read that Princess Alexandra of Greece,Queen of Yugoslavia hated her cousin and sister in law Princess Margarethe von Baden...anyone knows something about this?
Title: Re: Relations between the Greek royal family & other royal houses
Post by: carl fraley on March 03, 2014, 02:40:02 AM
I think Queen Marie also stated in her book (now it's been a while since i read it) but she blamed a lot of the Personality deficiencies on Queen Elisabeth, and all the interference she caused with both King Carol II, & and HRH Princess Elisabeth (later queen of greece).   That being said, I think HM Queen Helen did an awesome job raising HM the King the way she did.  The Fact that the King hasn't publicly berated or trashed his late father says a lot about his own character.    HM the King said it best to his grandmother : "I have learned not to say what I feel, and to smile at those I most hate."  In every picture with Carol, you always see Michael Smiling.

IMO, also the fact that Iuliu Maniu made Carol grant Helen the title of Her Majesty The Queen but carol changed it to Her Majesty Helen, and then became punitive with her b/c she would not oppose the Governments decision to annul the divorce.  The Gvt of the day imo showed that HM Queen Helen was in a lot more favor that Carol.
Title: Re: Relations between the Greek royal family & other royal houses
Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 03, 2014, 10:56:13 PM
No idea about the hate between Alexandra of Yugoslavia & Margraita of Baden. Think they marry brothers and were sisters-in-law.

Helen never became Queen Consort of Romania. She was Crown Princess Helen of Romania, and later after the divorce given the title HRH Princess of Romania. After her son took over, Helen became officially HM Queen Mother Helen of Romania.