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Discussions about Other Imperial Palaces => Other Palaces => Topic started by: Svetabel on October 27, 2007, 05:11:07 AM

Title: Ramon' - estate of the Oldenburgs
Post by: Svetabel on October 27, 2007, 05:11:07 AM
In 1879 Princess Eugenia of Oldenburg, nee Princess Eugenia of Leuchtenberg, a daughter of GDss Maria Nikolayevna and spouse of Prince Alexander of Oldenburg, became an owner of a vast estate  Ramon' not far from Voronezh (in fact Emperor Alexander II presented an estate to his niece). The mansion/castle in English style was built there in 1883-1887 years.

The castle then:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/ramon-.jpg)

And now

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/ramzamok.jpg)

I didn't find any pictures of the interiors and seems now they are all lost as from 1917 year the mansion had been a place for variuos Soviet institutions.





Title: Re: Ramon' - estate of the Oldenburgs
Post by: Svetabel on October 27, 2007, 05:16:31 AM
In 1880s-1917 years the estate Ramon' was famous for its sulfitation factory. In 1907 the most of the estate lands was lapsed to the IF and the Oldenburgs kept in their own only Olgino , an estate nearby that had been built in 1901-1902 years for Prince Petr (son of Eugenia) and his wife GDss Olga Alexandrovna.

Mansion in Olgino, now it's a sanatoirum or a clinic.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/olgino.jpg)

Also some photos of what is left over from the estate Olgino

http://imgsrc.ru/arisha/a123643.html (http://imgsrc.ru/arisha/a123643.html)

Title: Re: Ramon' - estate of the Oldenburgs
Post by: Terence on October 27, 2007, 10:41:57 AM
In 1907 the most of the estate lands was lapsed to the IF and the Oldenburgs kept in their own only Olgino , an estate nearby that had been built in 1901-1902 years for Prince Petr (son of Eugenia) and his wife GDss Olga Alexandrovna.

Svetabel, do you know any more as to how the bulk of the estate ended up "lapsed to the IF"?  I'm curious as to how something like that would occur.

Terry
Title: Re: Ramon' - estate of the Oldenburgs
Post by: Svetabel on October 27, 2007, 11:20:07 AM
In 1907 the most of the estate lands was lapsed to the IF and the Oldenburgs kept in their own only Olgino , an estate nearby that had been built in 1901-1902 years for Prince Petr (son of Eugenia) and his wife GDss Olga Alexandrovna.

Svetabel, do you know any more as to how the bulk of the estate ended up "lapsed to the IF"?  I'm curious as to how something like that would occur.

Terry

The Oldenburgs were heavy in debt, also the estate had been hit in the 1905-1906 years (when peasants burnt the pomestchik's arable areas and mansions). So the State (the IF) bought the bulk of Ramon'.
Title: Re: Ramon' - estate of the Oldenburgs
Post by: Svetabel on October 27, 2007, 11:35:00 AM
Two more pictures of the mansion in Ramon (castle of Princess Eugenia)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/8410580.jpg)

Gates

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Palaces/8404143.jpg)

Just a month ago the castle was put up for rent and...no results of this auction. Seems no one wants to rent or buy the mansion. The locals believe the mansion is a cursed place with ghosts.
Title: Re: Ramon' - estate of the Oldenburgs
Post by: amelia on October 27, 2007, 12:29:27 PM
Beautiful pictures Svetabel., thank you. It looks in very good conditions

Amelia
Title: Re: Ramon' - estate of the Oldenburgs
Post by: BarefootContessa on October 27, 2007, 12:41:45 PM
It is very beautiful!  Another website had this to say about Ramon' and the Oldenburgs:

http://www.vor.ru/outside/cities28_eng.html (http://www.vor.ru/outside/cities28_eng.html)

"They moved to Ramon in the late 1870s when Emperor Alexander II presented the couple with an estate in the picturesque area. There the prince and princess of Oldenburg built a castle in the Old English style. They introduced a number of innovations in Ramon such as a small zoo, a railway running as far as the Voronezh-Moscow highway, a clinic, a school and a sweets-making factory that made Ramon famous all over Europe by winning a lot of prizes at international exhibitions. In Petersburg the couple founded paramedics courses for women ad an institute of experimental medicine. On the Black Sea, in the city of Gagry, they financed the construction of a sanatorium and a weather station. Their attention to medicine was understandable: Princess Eugenia and her son Peter suffered from haemophilia."

I never read anything before about Peter having hemophilia???
Title: Re: Ramon' - estate of the Oldenburgs
Post by: Svetabel on October 27, 2007, 01:42:09 PM


I never read anything before about Peter having haemophilia???

Petr or his mother were not haemophiliacs.This is a perfect nonsense. An author of such revelations heard the song but got it wrong. Actually Princess Eugenia sometimes suffered from bleeding/hemorrhage but not of haemophilia.
Title: Re: Ramon' - estate of the Oldenburgs
Post by: Svetabel on October 27, 2007, 01:42:56 PM
Beautiful pictures Svetabel., thank you. It looks in very good conditions

Amelia

Oh, only exterior looks well...
Title: Re: Ramon' - estate of the Oldenburgs
Post by: BarefootContessa on October 27, 2007, 01:52:00 PM

Petr or his mother were not haemophiliacs.This is a perfect nonsense. An author of such revelations heard the song but got it wrong. Actually Princess Eugenia sometimes suffered from bleeding/hemorrhage but not of haemophilia.

I thought it sounded odd.  Thanks for confirming my suspicions! 
Title: Re: Ramon' - estate of the Oldenburgs
Post by: Nadya_Arapov on April 13, 2008, 08:17:50 AM
The Oldenburgs were heavy in debt, also the estate had been hit in the 1905-1906 years (when peasants burnt the pomestchik's arable areas and mansions). So the State (the IF) bought the bulk of Ramon'.

Here's an article discussing the incident Svetabel mentioned. The estate was actually attacked before 1905, in 1902. I wouldn't be surprised, though, it was attacked again during the Revolution of 1905.

New York Times
May 2, 1902

RUSSIAN MOB BURNS ANOTHER CHATEAU
Duke Alexander of Oldenburg's Estate Practically Ruined
Labor Population of the Whole District Between Moscow and Vladimir Said to Be In Revolt

St. Petersburg, April 30 - Duke Alexander of Oldenburg's celebrated Chateau of Romone, in the Government of Voronezh, Southern Russia, has been burned by peasants, who practically ruined the estate. The Duke if the father-in-law of the Czar's sister Olga, who married Duke Peter of Oldenburg last year.

The seriousness of the situation in Southern Russia is apparent from the fact that M. Dragomiroff, Governor General of Kiev; M. Pocarcoff, Vice Director of the Police, and other officials have joined M. Plehve, the Minister of the Interior at Kharkov.

The Voronezh sugar refineries have especially suffered from the outbreak.

In military circles it is believed that the army maneuvers which were to be held in Orel and Kursk cannot take place, owing to the disturbed state of those Governments.
Title: Re: Ramon' - estate of the Oldenburgs
Post by: Joanna on November 16, 2009, 06:03:20 PM
An incredible site with articles and photographs of Ramon:
http://istram.ucoz.ru/

Articles include letters and diaries i.e. GD Konstantin and a large amount of archival material on GD Olga A.:
http://istram.ucoz.ru/publ/

Photos:
http://istram.ucoz.ru/photo/

Joanna
Title: Re: Ramon' - estate of the Oldenburgs
Post by: Condecontessa on November 16, 2009, 07:33:57 PM
There's a TV show here in the USA called "Ghost Hunters International." Whoever owns the Ramon mansion should call this team to settle the matter regarding ghosts being in the castle. :)
Title: Re: Ramon' - estate of the Oldenburgs
Post by: Naslednik Norvezhskiy on February 08, 2010, 05:06:33 AM
Ramon: Interesting!
A bit McMansion-looking, but not by far as odd-looking as many other châteaux in English brick Neo-Gothic, especially in Germany.
Title: Re: Ramon' - estate of the Oldenburgs
Post by: clockworkgirl21 on February 13, 2011, 08:25:46 AM
From Wikipedia...

"Near the Oldenburg's estate, Ramon in Voronezh province, Olga had her own villa, called "Olgino" after the local town."

Does anyone know of any photos of this villa, inside or outside? And how much time did Olga actually spend there? Where did she stay during the time she was taking OTMA into St. Petersburg?
Title: Re: Ramon' - estate of the Oldenburgs
Post by: Svetabel on February 13, 2011, 01:23:50 PM
Some info on Olgino see above, please.
Title: Re: Ramon' - estate of the Oldenburgs
Post by: Svetabel on February 13, 2011, 01:31:56 PM
Also, the site, mentioned by Joanna has some rare photos of Olgino's mansion. F.e.

http://istram.ucoz.ru/photo/4-0-252 (http://istram.ucoz.ru/photo/4-0-252)
Title: Re: Ramon' - estate of the Oldenburgs
Post by: Marc on January 24, 2012, 04:53:14 PM
An estate of the Oldenburg family...which one,don't know :(

http://www.hrono.ru/libris/lib_i/sandro03.html
Title: Re: Ramon' - estate of the Oldenburgs
Post by: Svetabel on January 24, 2012, 11:12:13 PM
An estate of the Oldenburg family...which one,don't know :(

http://www.hrono.ru/libris/lib_i/sandro03.html

That's Gagra, here's the topic on it:

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=14256.0 (http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=14256.0)
Title: Re: Ramon' - estate of the Oldenburgs
Post by: Svetabel on November 14, 2013, 11:44:41 PM
Reconstruction of the park around the castle in Ramon. Photos taken of this autumn. The castle itself is not reconstructed.

http://s16-n425.livejournal.com/10183.html (http://s16-n425.livejournal.com/10183.html)
Title: Re: Ramon' - estate of the Oldenburgs
Post by: Превед on November 15, 2013, 10:16:09 AM
What a beautiful foreground for the mansion! Was the park originally also that simple, with mostly birch trees?
Very interesting with the metal carriage featuring the Oldenburgian arms as a permanent sculpture.
Title: Ramon estate of the Oldenburgs
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