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Title: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on November 28, 2004, 05:35:33 PM

more pics coming soon
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Post by: jfkhaos on November 30, 2004, 12:25:51 PM
Does anyone have a picture of Princess Battenberg, neé Julie von Hauke?
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Post by: elisa_1872 on December 01, 2004, 12:16:22 PM
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I have thought of purchaseing that book. Is it in like chapter form of is it like primarily a photo book?



Hi Eddy,

This book is really great in my opinion. I like Hough's writing style, and he already knew so much about Victoria Milford Haven from his book on the correspondence between her and her grandmother Queen Victoria (GREAT book!!). It's very well researched, is full of details, and parallels the childhoods of Victoria and Louis wonderfully. I was especially pleased with the beginning of the book, as there is so much on the Hessians, and the illustrations are great, including an engraving of Princess Alice holding a baby Victoria.  It contained a lot on the later life of the Milford Haven's that i'd never seen before. But it is definitely not a photo biography, thought the photographs in it, are excellent.

PS) Oh my goodness thank you for the great Battenberg family photographs! The one of young Lord Mountbatten with his mother is especially nice. :)
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Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on December 01, 2004, 12:19:39 PM
Yes I have "Advice to my Grandaughter" and I agree that it too is a great book. I really loved reading it.
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Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on December 02, 2004, 04:45:02 PM
Does anyone know exactly what language would have been spoken during such meetings of the Russian and Battenberg cousins. I am sure the answer is in some book but I just cant remember. My guess is they spoke English.
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Post by: BobAtchison on December 02, 2004, 06:09:09 PM
PrinceEddy - thanks for those pictures!  I wonder if there is anything in Victoria's diaries regarding this visit - I assume her diaries survive in Southampton.  Of course, that assumes she went with them.  Did she?

Bob
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Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on December 02, 2004, 10:24:48 PM
Yes she apparently was which is not suprising considering his age. They were both in Russia from the end of May until mid August 1908. Louis and his mother stayed with Ella for awhile. They visited the Russian cousins and spent part of the holiday at Hapsal on the Baltic. During this time Louis got to see alot of Dimitry and also apparently got to know Felix Yussupov quite well. In June Louis and Victoria stayed in St. Petersburg at Sergei's palace. Then in August they spent a week at Peterhof with Nicky, Alix, OTMAA, and this is when the first photo I posted was taken. During their visit to Peterhof VMH and Louis stayed at a villa in Alexandrine Park.
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Post by: Sarai on December 03, 2004, 07:38:20 AM
PrinceEddy,
Thank you for posting those pictures of Louis and OTMA. I had never seen them before - what book are they from? I think the second picture is rather amusing - it appears to have been a very windy day and poor Olga's skirt is blowing up on her!
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Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on December 03, 2004, 08:25:20 AM
Yes I always loved the bottom pic too. I love the way Anastasia looks. You can see she has her beloved camera in her hand. Both photos are from the book Mountbatten: Eighty Years in Pictures. I have been posting alot of pics from this book lately.
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Post by: elisa_1872 on December 03, 2004, 11:52:27 AM
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PrinceEddy - thanks for those pictures!  I wonder if there is anything in Victoria's diaries regarding this visit - I assume her diaries survive in Southampton.  Of course, that assumes she went with them.  Did she?

Bob


Hi Bob!

I hope to revisit Broadlands next year, and will try and ask for details about Victoria's diaries. I assume they must have them, but im wondering whether they are private, because they are not listed among her other papers at Broadlands, Southampton. I saw only her notebooks for the books she read, kept from the period 1880s-1890s.
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Post by: BobAtchison on December 03, 2004, 01:04:00 PM
I was told a long time ago that Sophie Buxhoeveden's photo albums might end up there.  Last time I heard that they were still under the bed of a descendant of a noble Russian family in Britain.

It would be verey interesting to know what's at Broadlands and what's at Southampton.  Are their Victoria diaries?  Where is her correspondence with Alix.  Do we know?
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Post by: grandduchessella on December 03, 2004, 08:35:48 PM
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PrinceEddy,
Thank you for posting those pictures of Louis and OTMA. I had never seen them before - what book are they from? I think the second picture is rather amusing - it appears to have been a very windy day and poor Olga's skirt is blowing up on her!


That 2nd picture is also in Richard Hough's book the Mountbattens (also called Louis and Victoria: The First Mountbattens) which was mentioned on another area. It's a really great book.
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Post by: elisa_1872 on December 04, 2004, 05:06:32 AM
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I was told a long time ago that Sophie Buxhoeveden's photo albums might end up there.  Last time I heard that they were still under the bed of a descendant of a noble Russian family in Britain.

It would be verey interesting to know what's at Broadlands and what's at Southampton.  Are their Victoria diaries?  Where is her correspondence with Alix.  Do we know?



Hi Bob!

Broadlands has indeed some things of the Baroness, including her personal postcard book, which has many views of Livadia, some handwritten on the back to her father, others are postcards of the Tsar/Tsaritsa/Tsarevich etc. I was told they had the photo collection of her too, but strangely, i was only shown what looked to be fine copies, they certainly were not the originals.

Many many thanks Helen for this information!! I wanted to know so much about whether they had any Victoria/Alix correspondence. Perhaps Victoria's to Alix are in the Russian Archive? But in Buxhoeveden's book, letters from Alix are quoted to Victoria. How could Buxhoeveden have access to them i wonder, and where are they now?
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Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on December 05, 2004, 11:47:48 AM
Oh yes that book has been popping up in conversation alot as of late. Every time I hear about it someone is saying how great it is, so I really need to get it and will eventually be doing so. The pic I posted is also from one of Hough's books, "Advice to My Grand-daughter".
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Post by: Ksenia on December 05, 2004, 12:14:12 PM
I purchased the book, not long ago. It old verison and was published in 1974. I bought it from a second hand book shop  ;) There gold mines for us !  :D ;)
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Post by: Angie_H on December 12, 2004, 12:55:39 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v391/booboogbs/VictoriaholdingLouiseLouisAlice1891.jpg)
Victoria holding Louise, Louis, & Alice 1891
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Post by: Angie_H on December 12, 2004, 12:57:05 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v391/booboogbs/Victoria1884.jpg)
Victoria 1884
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Post by: Angie_H on December 12, 2004, 01:01:41 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v391/booboogbs/EllaVictoriaIrene.jpg)
Ella, Victoria & Irene
Don't they look adorable?!
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Post by: grandduchessella on December 12, 2004, 01:05:46 PM
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Oh yes that book has been popping up in conversation alot as of late. Every time I hear about it someone is saying how great it is, so I really need to get it and will eventually be doing so. The pic I posted is also from one of Hough's books, "Advice to My Grand-daughter".


The last 3 photos as well as the painting of Victoria and Alice on the Painting of Princess Alice thread are all from this fabulous book as well in case that tips the scales at all. I hadn't seen an image so large of VMH's wedding before--does anyone know anything about the necklace she's wearing?
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Post by: Martyn on December 12, 2004, 01:59:38 PM
Hmm, that necklace.  It is a bit hard to tell what it is.  I wonder if there is a list of her wedding gifts anywhere - the necklace might have been amongst them.  I have a suspicion that she is wearing a tiara in front of the flowers in her hair as well - perhaps it is a suite of jewellery.
We know that Victoria had some important formal diamond jewellery (including at least one tiara) as it was left behind in Russia with Alix at the outbreak of war; perhaps these pieces were amongst that collection of jewels?
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Post by: Sarai on December 12, 2004, 02:24:07 PM
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Ella, Victoria & Irene
Don't they look adorable?!


Angie, thank you for posting that picture! It is absolutely lovely. I love seeing pictures of the Hesses as children! So, to get this clear, is that picture from the book Victoria and Louis: The First Mountbattens?
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Post by: Marlene on December 12, 2004, 03:06:00 PM

(Louis was in love with Marie and kept a picture of her by his bed til he died. If the Revolution had not happened they wouldn't have been able to marry anyway right? )

I think love is a poor choice of words considering the ages of the two cousins.  Louis may have had a crush on his cousin, but I doubt love comes into it ... he was only 14 when World War I broke out,  Marie a year older.  He was 18 when it came to an end, and Marie was dead.    The story of being in love and wanting to marry was always way over the top,
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Post by: QueenEna1887 on December 14, 2004, 08:29:59 PM
Does anyone have pictures of Princess Victoria Eugenia of Battenburg a.k.a. Queen Ena of Spain as a newborn infant small enough for someone to hold in their hands.
I found a picture of her on www.corbis.com as a toddler with her two brothers but that was all!
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Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on January 03, 2005, 12:24:55 PM
There are several books about him with just the title "Mountbatten" or something along those lines. I do not have this one though, but I have now put it on my list of books to get. For some reason the filter is no longer turning Louis nickname, dare I use it, Dickie, into thingyie anymore.
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Post by: Sarah1872 on January 03, 2005, 12:52:36 PM
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There are several books about him with just the title "Mountbatten" or something along those lines. I do not have this one though, but I have now put it on my list of books to get. For some reason the filter is no longer turning Louis nickname, dare I use it, Dickie, into thingyie anymore.


Yes, I noticed that too ! When I posted, on of my post, I saw that it did not change the word 'Dickie' !  :D
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Post by: Sarah1872 on January 03, 2005, 12:55:10 PM
Eddie, I forgot to say that the author of this book is Philip Ziegler. It was published around 20 years ago - I think. I found a copy in a second hand book shop (my little 'treasure troves'  ;) ) I hope this helps !  ;)
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Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on January 03, 2005, 01:18:02 PM
Wait I have seen that book, but neglected to purchase it several times, from my own area used book store. I looked through it though and certainly looked at the pictures, so I must have seen them before and just didnt remeber. I do want to purchase the book though. Doesnt it have a photo of a middle ages Lord Mountbatten on the deck of a ship on its cover.
By the way Philip Ziegler also wrote a wonderful, at least I think it is, bio on David.
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Post by: grandduchessella on January 03, 2005, 03:20:44 PM
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Second what book did they all come from? Also the one of the Battenberg kids is great. Photos that have all four of them at this age are rare. After Alice's marriage she obviously wasnt there as much..


I think the one of the 4 Battenbergs can be found in Hugo Vicker's bio on Alice but I'll have to check. I'd never seen the one of Dickie & Bertie--he's usually seen more with David as you said.
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Post by: grandduchessella on January 03, 2005, 03:22:41 PM
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Martyn, I would say George almost bordered on unattractive though. He did look a bit odd and certainly did not get the looks his little brother got, (And what looks Louis got huh.) George looked a lot like his mother and while Victoria was pretty she did have a bit of an odd look to her. This is just one man (or woman's) opinion though.


He certainly had a bonier face (like Louise really) rather than the stronger Battenberg one. I always thought he was a bit of a throwback to Alice with the deep eyes and the rather melancholy expression.
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Post by: Martyn on January 03, 2005, 04:53:21 PM
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He certainly had a bonier face (like Louise really) rather than the stronger Battenberg one. I always thought he was a bit of a throwback to Alice with the deep eyes and the rather melancholy expression.


Maybe that's what appeals to me.  George always looks slightly inscrutable and he does remind me of Alice in looks, you're quite right GDElla.  I love Louise's looks, they are so unusual, not pretty but characterful - she reminds me of one of my favourite aunts, long since passed away.
I have never really been a fan of Dickie (it was me that had a hissy fit because the filter kept putting Thingyie every time I wrote Dickens in another thread - the FA kindly altered it as I threatened to weep with irritation) or his looks.  Much prefer George and Louise; both it would seem had very active minds.
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Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on January 03, 2005, 06:35:06 PM
That is a different cover than the one I am talking about, but I am pretty sure it is the same book. It looks like you got a first addition or somthing. I have seen Vicker's bio of Alice and I didnt remember that pic being in there, but it may be. Yes ella George and Louise, who I think both favored one another, do remind me a bit of their grandmother Alice. VMH's daughter Alice looked so much like her father and Dickie was a mix of both parents I guess.
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Post by: Sarah1872 on January 10, 2005, 10:11:44 AM
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Lovely picture.  I wonder how interested she was really?  Maybe he was asking her what she fancied for tea?  Or whether if, when she grew up she would like to marry an dispossessed, impoverished Greek prince, to whom he happened to be related, so that he could realise his dream of having the Royal House of England renamed Mountbatten?
Just a thought......


Hello Martyn ! The photo of Dickie and Elizabeth is from an album published (at the time) of George VI's and Queen Elizabeth coronation  ;) I has lots of formal and informal photographs, and this was pne of them. Such a lovely photograph ! Also, it had some of the Kents (George and Marina-- partly why I got it  :D ) The pictures I posted, it had this caption in the book "This charming picture was taken on the bridge of the Royal Yacht Victoria and Albert, shows Dickie and Princess Elizabeth. Dickie is explaining to Elizabeth the finer points of naval technigue and tradition to much interested young Elizabeth ! " -- but hey, Martyn you never know ! They could have been taling about young Elizabeth when she grows up !  ;)
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Post by: Martyn on January 10, 2005, 10:36:09 AM
Oh absolutely.  I can hear his soft whispers now 'And you will fancy my nephew.  And you will marry him.  And you will make him Prince Consort...'
Well, two out three ain't bad!
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Post by: Sarah1872 on January 10, 2005, 12:01:28 PM
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Oh absolutely.  I can hear his soft whispers now 'And you will fancy my nephew.  And you will marry him.  And you will make him Prince Consort...'
Well, two out three ain't bad!


*giggles* Yes !   ;)  :D  ;D
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Post by: Martyn on January 10, 2005, 12:05:37 PM
The wily old Battenberg!
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Post by: Sarah1872 on January 10, 2005, 12:10:33 PM
"The wily old Battenberg! " -- *giggles again !*  ;)
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Post by: Martyn on January 11, 2005, 06:38:29 AM
Don't encourage me...
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Post by: Ilana on January 11, 2005, 12:53:38 PM
Oh, that Dickie, I mean thingy... ;D.

She liked him lots, though from all I can gather.  He was so cute, just like a viking.
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Post by: Martyn on January 11, 2005, 12:58:52 PM
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Oh, that Dickie, I mean thingy... ;D.

She liked him lots, though from all I can gather.  He was so cute, just like a viking.


Yes, Ilana, I'm not sure that 'thingie' wasn't appropriate for him.  However, apparently Dickie didn't have to do too much suggesting as Philip's physical charms seemed to work their magic on the impressionable princess.
Sad that no trace of those charms or even much charm remains to be seen these days................
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Post by: Marlene on January 11, 2005, 01:06:43 PM
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Lovely picture.  I wonder how interested she was really?  Maybe he was asking her what she fancied for tea?  Or whether if, when she grew up she would like to marry a dispossessed, impoverished Greek prince, to whom he happened to be related, so that he could realise his dream of having the Royal House of England renamed Mountbatten?
Just a thought......



Contrary to what many of have written,  Lord M had very little to do with Philip  as Philip's guardian was his older brother, George, who died in 1938.  George Milford Haven was the one responsible for Philip's education.  Far too much emphasis has been placed on Louis wanting Philip to marry Lilibet.  Philip may have been a Greek prince by birth but in essence he was very much a Brit.  He spent much of his time with his grandmother at Kensington Palace,  after leaving Salem, he attended school in Scotland.  

I think too much credit is given to Mountbatten in the early years.  Look at it from other angles.  Philip's first cousin, Marina, was married to the duke of Kent.   George Milford Haven was married to Countess Nada Torby whose sister, Zia and her husband Sir Harold Wernher Bt, moved in royal horse circles - Zia's two daughters Georgina and Myra were close friends of the then Pss Elizabeth (Childhood playmates).  Their brother, Alex (killed in the second WWII) was a friend of Philip- so Philip already moved in the same circles as Elizabeth.  As early as 1941, Chips Channon singled him out as the future consort.   Moreover, Lord Mountbatten's two daughters, Patricia and Pamela, were also childhood friends of the queen - and they are Philip's first cousins.   Philip was hardly a stranger
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Post by: Martyn on January 11, 2005, 04:25:21 PM
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Contrary to what many of have written,  Lord M had very little to do with Philip  as Philip's guardian was his older brother, George, who died in 1938.  George Milford Haven was the one responsible for Philip's education.  Far too much emphasis has been placed on Louis wanting Philip to marry Lilibet.  Philip may have been a Greek prince by birth but in essence he was very much a Brit.  He spent much of his time with his grandmother at Kensington Palace,  after leaving Salem, he attended school in Scotland.  

I think too much credit is given to Mountbatten in the early years.  Look at it from other angles.  Philip's first cousin, Marina, was married to the duke of Kent.   George Milford Haven was married to Countess Nada Torby whose sister, Zia and her husband Sir Harold Wernher Bt, moved in royal horse circles - Zia's two daughters Georgina and Myra were close friends of the then Pss Elizabeth (Childhood playmates).  Their brother, Alex (killed in the second WWII) was a friend of Philip- so Philip already moved in the same circles as Elizabeth.  As early as 1941, Chips Channon singled him out as the future consort.   Moreover, Lord Mountbatten's two daughters, Patricia and Pamela, were also childhood friends of the queen - and they are Philip's first cousins.   Philip was hardly a stranger


Did I say that he was a stranger?  And actually Marleen, I am not really interested in a serious critique of this subject........
Thank you for your opinions nonetheless, I am sure that they will be welcomed in some quarter.
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Post by: grandduchessella on January 11, 2005, 04:28:12 PM
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Contrary to what many of have written,  Lord M had very little to do with Philip  as Philip's guardian was his older brother, George, who died in 1938.  George Milford Haven was the one responsible for Philip's education.  Far too much emphasis has been placed on Louis wanting Philip to marry Lilibet.  Philip may have been a Greek prince by birth but in essence he was very much a Brit.  He spent much of his time with his grandmother at Kensington Palace,  after leaving Salem, he attended school in Scotland.  I think too much credit is given to Mountbatten in the early years.  


I think we went into this on another thread--one on George himself maybe? My memory's going. We discussed there just what you've said--how George has unfairly faded from memory and what a huge influence he had on Philip.
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Post by: Martyn on January 11, 2005, 04:41:38 PM
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I think we went into this on another thread--one on George himself maybe? My memory's going. We discussed there just what you've said--how George has unfairly faded from memory and what a huge influence he had on Philip.


We have discussed this.  At some length. Can't remember which one though.....
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Post by: Sarah1872 on January 12, 2005, 02:38:07 PM
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Don't encourage me...


Okay, Martyn. I shall try my very best not too  ;)
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Post by: Martyn on January 12, 2005, 04:06:10 PM
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Okay, Martyn. I shall try my very best not too  ;)


I don't really mind....A bit of humour does one good sometimes.  It doesn't pay to be too serious all the time!
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Post by: Sarah1872 on January 16, 2005, 08:50:29 AM
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I don't really mind....A bit of humour does one good sometimes.  It doesn't pay to be too serious all the time!


Hello again Martyn ! Oh, yes I agree ! Everyone needs humour once and a while - if not all the time ! I was just looking at your profile - and your from England ! Me too ! Now, I shall tell what is humour ... have you ever seen the comody 'Only Fools and Horses' - starring David Jason ? Now that is humour at it's best !  ;)
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Post by: Martyn on January 17, 2005, 04:19:51 AM
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Hello again Martyn ! Oh, yes I agree ! Everyone needs humour once and a while - if not all the time ! I was just looking at your profile - and your from England ! Me too ! Now, I shall tell what is humour ... have you ever seen the comody 'Only Fools and Horses' - starring David Jason ? Now that is humour at it's best !  ;)


Not really to my taste - I am a 'Little Britain' fan....
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Post by: Sarah1872 on January 17, 2005, 10:05:10 AM
That's a shame. Ah, yes ! I'm a Little Britain Fan too ! It's too funny ! Because my family love the thing so much, they went and bought the entire series on DVD and bought a book full of scripts and pictures ! My younger brother, just loves Andy & Lou - always saying "I wont that one you," It's funny - but can drive me round the bend, as he does it all the time ! The Viki one is funny -- she talk so fast, that you can't ever catch what she is saying ! But it's funny  ;) My mum's favourite has to be the 'fat fighters' one - she loves the women (or man in our case) make all the people there feel really bad !

Little Britain Rules ! ;) (and Only Fools and Horse's too !)
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Post by: grandduchessella on January 17, 2005, 11:47:19 PM
OK, I'm going to try to repost. When we move our photos to the sub-albums they're making us set up, it can break the direct links. Sooo, I had to resubmit the photos directly into the sub-album. This is going to get ugly as I have over 850 photos in the photobucket.  :P So I'm sorry if little red Xs show up for awhile and ask for patience.

Here are the ones of Louise (plus a couple others)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/hessebattenberg/7250.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/hessebattenberg/SF381372.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/hessebattenberg/louisebattenberg8.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/hessebattenberg/louisebattenberg5.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/grandduchessella/hessebattenberg/img003aa.jpg)
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Post by: crazy_wing on January 18, 2005, 12:53:25 PM
Great photos of Louise - they are pretty rare.  
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Post by: Martyn on January 18, 2005, 01:43:22 PM
Thank you GDElla for those lovely photos of Louise.  YOu spoil me!  She really was quite lovely in her youth.  I just find her fascinating as a person as she seems to encapsulate all the good qualities of her mother and father; really the most unlikely candidate to be a queen and with the most quirky sense of humour.  I just can't get enough information about her; my dream would be a biography just about her......
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Post by: jfkhaos on January 18, 2005, 01:49:06 PM
There is a bio on Louise in Swedish, but I can't recall the title or the author at this point.  I too have looked for a bio of her in English and have been unsuccessful in finding one.  Anyone know if there is one?  Thanks!
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Post by: Svetabel on January 25, 2005, 04:07:22 AM
One of the best photos of Louise I think

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/royals/loumaunt.jpg)
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Post by: Martyn on January 25, 2005, 07:51:11 AM
I agree Svetabel - that really is a great photo of Louise.  Great pose, lovely clothes and her hair is wonderfully Marcel waved; she really looks very attractive.  The more that I read about Louise, the more that I like her...
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Post by: Alicky1872 on January 25, 2005, 11:38:34 AM
I read somewhere that Louise was just as unsentimental as her mother Victoria. One of her young relatives saw her ripping out the fly sheets from many of her old books, which she was giving away. When the young girl saw that one of the old books had an inscription from Queen Victoria, Louise took the book and ripped out the page. "What makes you think that it would be any more valuable to the reader if it's signed by Queen Victoria?!" Louise asked.
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Post by: Ilana on January 26, 2005, 12:49:45 PM
Louise must have known the value of something for posterity, because I'm of the opinion, just from a process of elimination, that the Swedish archives might yield up letters between Louis and Victoria.  I don't know this for a fact, but either they're there (and we can't look at them for many more years, they're closed) or Louise destroyed them.
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Post by: elisa_1872 on January 26, 2005, 04:16:01 PM
Ilana, do you know whether the Swedish archives have much information/photographs/correspondence of Victoria Milford Haven? At Broadlands i couldn't find any information at all as to where any of her correspondence might be today - though i did wonder if it was part of a private section of the family archive. Broadlands preserves many wonderful photographs of Pcss Louise by the way :D
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Post by: Ilana on January 27, 2005, 02:58:07 PM
It's the Swedes, and I have no idea what they have there because they will allow no access until something like 2033.  I've written to the King of Sweden, with permissions, etc., and no avail.  Oh, well....
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Martyn on February 01, 2005, 11:51:57 AM
Considering Louise's apparent reluctance to be a bride, she looks remarkably regal and relaxed in the  pictures that GDElla has posted.
I think that she looks very distinguée in her Swedish royal jewels and she certainly does not look overwhelmed by the Swedish court dress, which ids decidedly singular and picturresque (although not as glamorous as Russian court dress) She really is an intriguing character........
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: grandduchessella on February 01, 2005, 04:51:30 PM
I wonder if she and Daisy (her predecessor) knew each other? The Milford-Havens spent a good amount of time in England and with QV and the Connaught children were often around. I wonder how she felt marrying Daisy's widower?
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: RickV on February 01, 2005, 09:20:48 PM
Pardon me, but in comparison to Daisy, she's no looker. She reminds me of the actress Nancy Kulp, who played Miss Hathaway on "The Beverly Hillibillies". I'm sounding cynical, but I wonder if she and Gustav had a "real" marriage. I would say she indeed had a strong personality, or she might otherwise have ended as Victoria of Wales or one of Helena's daughters.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on February 01, 2005, 10:08:08 PM
I definatly see Louise in the "less attractive younger sister of a beauty" role. She was no match for Alice or Daisy (both, in my opinion being great beauties) but in her youth she was quite pretty. Plus one must take into account that at the time of her marriage she was already quite old and not the beautiful young bride that most Princes got at the time.

As far as what you said ella, it would be interesting to know what the extent of Louise and Daisy's relationship was. I am sure they knew each other as children and young girls. The Battenbergs and the Connaughts surly mingled at the family gatherings through the 1890s.

As far as how Louise may have felt about marrying Gustav (who, I think was called Oskar in the family, right) I dont see her as feeling like she was sloppy seconds or anything like that. I think she was probably just happy to be getting married to anyone yet alone a future King. He was also very handsome (still at the time of his second marrige I think) as well as being mild and well mannered I believe. I picture he and Louise as complimenting one another quite well. I am not sure about exactly how well they got along or the details of their married life though.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: grandduchessella on February 01, 2005, 10:38:18 PM
I'll admit when I was younger I didn't like Louise much because I liked 'pretty' princesses and only grew to appreciate her (and others) as I grew older. Plus, Daisy was a favorite and, again since I was young, I almost resented someone 'usurping' her position. Now that I'm older I can see what a fascinating person she must've been (not that I'm any less a Daisy fan). It had only just occured to me when I posted that they must've known each other somewhat. They weren't even that far in age. I don't see Louise as 'sloppy seconds' at all. Oskar (you're right, he was called that) probably could have had a pick of women if he chose as an eligible future king with good looks. He chose to pursue Louise. I have heard that he cheated on both of them  >:( but that doesn't mean (as has been pointed out to me and as I'm going to have to let the romantic side of me grudgingly accept) he didn't have a happy marriage with both of them. I think it was Ingrid that had some problems adjusting (not surprisingly given that she was an only daughter and also very close to her mother) but that Louise made a very good stepmother and grandmother. I'll have to find the photo but in one of those commemoratives it had a photo of the 2 when elderly and Oskar is helping Louise up to something and it looks like he's patting her rear end!
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Angie_H on February 02, 2005, 07:20:02 AM
Were there any pictures taken at the wedding of Alice (Victoria's daughter)? The wedding where Nicholas got silly and chased the married couple in their car throwing shoes and rice at them?
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: otmafan on February 02, 2005, 09:00:14 AM
Here are the Battenburgs before Louis.

(http://www.glintofgold.org/romanovs/photos/mountbattens.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: grandduchessella on February 02, 2005, 09:37:54 AM
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Were there any pictures taken at the wedding of Alice (Victoria's daughter)? The wedding where Nicholas got silly and chased the married couple in their car throwing shoes and rice at them?


There's a photo of the couple coming out of the church (it's kind of from a distance) and the famous group shot on the balcony of many of the relatives gathered there afterwards. There's the bridal pair's photograph. Those are the ones I can think of. I've seen sketches of the wedding ceremony but no photographs.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Angie_H on February 02, 2005, 03:13:04 PM
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Here are the Battenburgs before Louis.

(http://www.glintofgold.org/romanovs/photos/mountbattens.jpg)

otmafan what do you mean before Louis?
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on February 02, 2005, 03:59:42 PM
The photo was taken before VMH's last child Louis (Dickie, Earl Mountbatten) was born.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Ilana on February 02, 2005, 06:47:07 PM
Louise took after her mother, IMHO, in that she got better looking into middle and old age.

Louise had a great deal in common with Oskar, and as we know, that lasts a lot longer than prettiness.  They had many intellectual pursuits in common as well as love of travel, and gardening.

It wasn't just Louise who was happy to get married (although she showed strong reluctance before the event), but her mother was thrilled because she worried what would happen to her after her own (VMH's) death.  She was happy to see her settled (unlike Queen Alexandra and Queen Victoria, who were happy to have their daughters about them forever!).
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Martyn on February 03, 2005, 06:32:17 AM
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They are great pictures & she DOES look very regal. She also bears a very strong resemblance to someone else (another royal - perhaps even a modern one) but I can't think who it is...any ideas?


I think that she looked a bit like Pcss Paul of Yugoslavia (Marina's sister) at times......
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Paul on February 07, 2005, 08:43:58 PM
Does anyone know where, on the Net, I can find a lot of photos of Louis of Battenberg- Victoria Hesse's husband? The ones posted so far have been wonderful!

I've always admired his looks and his style. Am working on styling my beard, and to a point of my mode of dress, on his. A little weird, but what the heck? Everyone has their hero.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Martyn on February 08, 2005, 04:27:21 AM
Well you could do worse than to model your appearance on his.  I have to say that IMO Louis was the most handsome of the Battenberg brothers, not to mention extremely industrious and able; his contribution to his adopted country and the Brirtish Navy should not be under-estimated.
It is a little difficult to see from your photo, Paul, but I rather suspect that you already have a little of the look of Louis anyway.......
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: darius on February 17, 2005, 08:20:14 AM
Does anyone have information and photos on Princess Anna Battenburg - the last member of the family to bear that name into the late 20th century?
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: grandduchessella on February 17, 2005, 10:06:35 AM
She was the daughter of Nicholas I of Montenegro and thus sister to Militza and Stana of Russia as well as Queen Elena of Italy. She was aunt to Alexander I of Yugoslavia (son of her sister) as well as the extended Battenberg clan: including Queen Louise of Sweden, Alice of Greece, Earl Mountbatten, and Queen Ena of Spain. Married to Franz Josef 'Franzjos' of Battenberg they were relatively poor by royal standards but their home in Germany was a popular place for their various relations to visit.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eurohistory on February 17, 2005, 10:20:11 AM
The European Royal History Journal had a very interesting article on Princess Anna of BATTENBERG a few issues ago.

Arturo Beéche
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: darius on February 17, 2005, 10:53:52 AM
Thank you very much Arturo for the information and the link.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Paul on February 18, 2005, 12:39:52 AM
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I love Louise's looks, they are so unusual, not pretty but characterful - she reminds me of one of my favourite aunts, long since passed away.Much prefer George and Louise; both it would seem had very active minds.


The B&W photgraphy of the time never did justice to Louise's features. She really had quite an intriguing face.
Some faces lend themselves better to B&W, some better to colour.
tinting mine.

(http://www.geocities.com/stiffcollar1/Queen_Louise_02.jpg)

Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Svetabel on February 18, 2005, 05:00:32 AM
Anna with her niece Ena of Battenberg

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/AnaHessPrss.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Marc on February 18, 2005, 05:15:42 AM
I have some of her pictures,just don't know how to post it...I have read the instructions,but still-didn't work!If you want I can send it to someones e-mail and then someone can post it!
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: elisa_1872 on February 18, 2005, 03:41:41 PM
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Does anyone have information and photos on Princess Anna Battenburg - the last member of the family to bear that name into the late 20th century?



Hello,

Here is the only mention of Anna, from the wonderful memoirs of Marie zu Erbach-Schönberg, sister of Franz Josef of Battenberg.

"There news reached us [in Darmstadt], from Nice of the engagement of my brother, Franz Josef, to Princess Anna of Montenegro.. [interpolated] "The marriage of the young couple, Prince Franz Josef of Battenberg - a younger brother of the writer - to Princess Anna of Montenegro, took place at Cettinje on 18th May 1897. Owing to ill-health the Princess [Marie zu Erbach-Schönberg] was unable to be present, and she was represented by her eldest son Alexi.."
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: grandduchessella on February 18, 2005, 05:03:00 PM
Marie was also quoted to the effect that Anna had been as a sister to here. I don't know if that was from her memoirs or elsewhere.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Danjel on February 18, 2005, 05:51:58 PM
Here she is

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v666/daan73/ANNA.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Danjel on February 18, 2005, 05:52:49 PM
Marc, if you want you can send them to me, as soon as I have them I will post them here!

Greetz
Danjel

danjelclaassen@zonnet.nl
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Marc on February 19, 2005, 08:45:21 AM
Danjel,I just send you an e-mail with the pictures!Please,inform me if you recived the mail(I checked your mail few times in order not to missspell it,so I just want to be sure you recived it)!Thanks
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Agneschen on February 19, 2005, 12:06:39 PM
 Marie Erbach-Schönberg about her sister-in-law Ana (in Nikola & Milena by Marco Houston) : "The charming princess Ana of Montenegro, who has been to me a sister, infinitely close and dear, a woman of rare qualities of heart and character".
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Danjel on February 20, 2005, 10:06:10 AM
WITH THANKS TO MARC!!! SOME GREAT PICS!!!!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v666/daan73/Anna2.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Danjel on February 20, 2005, 10:07:02 AM
AND ANOTHER ONE!

(Marc I will mail you later this evening, am not at home right now..)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v666/daan73/Anna1.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Marc on February 20, 2005, 12:41:26 PM
Don't worry,I have a lot of picture,just don't know how to post them!That's why I send them to you!It's great that everything worked out well!If you need something else,just write!Thanks for posting them!
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: darius on February 21, 2005, 04:39:28 AM
Thanks guys - the information and photos are all great. Any pix of Anna as an older woman - any information about her life after WWI?
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Agneschen on February 21, 2005, 09:36:15 AM
Great pics Marc ! I love the one of Ana as a child ! Can it be Vlaho Bukovac portrait of her ? He was commissioned in 1883 to paint King Nikola's 9 elder children. I have his portraits of Milica, Marija (or maybe Stana, it is not identified) and Ksenjia in M.Houston's Nikola and Milena, as well as Jelena's in her bio by L.Regolo. The girls are all wearing the Montenegrin national costume.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Marc on February 21, 2005, 01:45:20 PM
Sorry,but I really don't know who is the painter!Maybe that it is the same guy because I have Militza ans Anastasia's etc portraits who look very much the same to this of Anna!
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Agneschen on February 22, 2005, 05:59:43 AM
Hi Marc ! is Milica painted with an open book on her lap in the portrait you are thinking of ? If so, then it is her portrait by Bukovac . Could you please post Anastasia's ? I would love to see it.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Marc on February 22, 2005, 06:09:18 AM
Yes,she is!  :) Then we solved the problem!I have posted these pictures to Danjel(I don't know how to do it) and asked him to post them for me!We will see...
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Jim1026 on February 22, 2005, 03:42:28 PM
Where in Switzerland are Franz Josef and Anna buried?
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eurohistory on February 23, 2005, 11:25:52 AM
Like many other relations, Anna received funds from the Mountbatten-Ashley money.

Arturo Beéche        
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Marc on March 16, 2005, 08:19:10 AM
I have read that she and her husband lived in Emil Garten palace!Was that palace given to Battenbergs(Anna and Franz)?
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: omanik on March 25, 2005, 01:55:56 PM
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Where in Switzerland are Franz Josef and Anna buried?


They are buried in Schaffhausen, Switzerland, in a cemetery called "Waldfriedhof". Epitaph: "Francois et Anna, Prcs. de Battenberg".
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Marc on March 26, 2005, 08:25:13 AM
and what about Emil Garten?I saw a picture of them where it is stated that they are in front of their home Emil Garten?
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Marc on March 26, 2005, 05:43:32 PM
Seems like a very sweet home...Thanks for posting it!
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: TampaBay on March 27, 2005, 06:11:24 AM
Could someone please list the names of the 5 Batterberg children of Alexeander and Julie, their birth & death dates and who they married.

Thamks!!!

TampaBay
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: bluetoria on March 27, 2005, 06:32:28 AM
Hi TampaBay, the children were:

Marie:  born 18 July 1852, married Gustav of Erbach Schonberg (1840-1908 ) in 1871. Died 1923

Louis: born 25 May 1854. Married Victoria of Hesse (1863-1950 ) in 1884. Died 1921

Alexander (Sandro) born 5 April 1857. Married Johanna Lossinger. Died 1893

Henry (Liko) born 1858. Married Beatrice of G.B. (1857-1944 ) in 1885. Died in 1896

Franz Joseph (Franzjos) born 1861. Married Anna of Montenegro (1875-1971) died 1924.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: TampaBay on March 27, 2005, 06:42:20 AM
Thanks Blue!!!

It is easy to get the Battenbergs mixed up because thet all had nick names.

I ready somewhere the sister Marie was just as beautiful as the boys were handsome.

Was Marie's husband a German Count or what?

TampaBay.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: bluetoria on March 27, 2005, 06:59:22 AM
My pleasure :)
I don't really know about Marie's husband's position - except that he WAS a Count - but SOMEWHERE on this Forum (probably somewhere among the Hessians) there is more written about him  :-/

Queen Victoria liked Marie very much: "I am so very fond of her who is so dear, sensible & good."
It seems they were a very close family and Marie & Louis were particularly close to one another.
After Liko's death (& Moretta's disappointment with Sandro) Marie & Moretta met in England where the former was very kind to the latter. Moretta described her as: 'a devoted & unselfish sister.'

The Battenberg men were exceptionally handsome, weren't they?  ;)


Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Ilana on March 27, 2005, 12:06:49 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Erbach Schonbergs didn't become Dukes, they became Princes.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: bluetoria on March 27, 2005, 04:02:47 PM
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It was the 15th ;) the double birthday of Marie and her father.



Sorry!
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: grandduchessella on March 27, 2005, 04:14:54 PM
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Thanks Blue!!!

I ready somewhere the sister Marie was just as beautiful as the boys were handsome.



Luckily I loaded this onto photobucket before disaster struck.  :-/

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/empressfrederick/hessebattenberg/ebay52451.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: bluetoria on March 27, 2005, 04:22:05 PM
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Luckily I loaded this onto photobucket before disaster struck.  :-/



You mean you really HAVE lost them all!?
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Marc on March 27, 2005, 05:01:32 PM
Are there portaits of Marie von Battenberg,later Princess von Erbach-Shoenberg?
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: grandduchessella on March 27, 2005, 09:40:50 PM
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You mean you really HAVE lost them all!?


Quite possibly--and all my digital images (baby photos etc). MAJOR computer problems--the computer guy couldn't get the hard-drive to reboot and we had to go buy a new one. My hubby's going to try to retrieve them but he leaves Friday so if he can't do it by then I may have to have it sent off to a retrieval service and hope they can retrieve them.  :(   The computer had acted up before and I started to back-up some photos but the CD drive wouldn't work and I went through 40+ disks and only saved a portion. I was waiting to get the CD drive fixed and burn them onto there.  :-/ If I had valium around I would've been seriously popping--as it is I've had to make do with Tums and eating my kids' Easter candy.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: grandduchessella on March 27, 2005, 09:42:11 PM
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Are there portaits of Marie von Battenberg,later Princess von Erbach-Shoenberg?


The one I posted above is of her.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: bluetoria on March 28, 2005, 03:04:42 AM
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Quite possibly--and all my digital images (baby photos etc). MAJOR computer problems--the computer guy couldn't get the hard-drive to reboot and we had to go buy a new one. My hubby's going to try to retrieve them but he leaves Friday so if he can't do it by then I may have to have it sent off to a retrieval service and hope they can retrieve them.  :(  .



Oh no.  :( I hope you manage to sort it.
(St. Clare (media/communications)....St Jude  :-/ )
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Marc on March 29, 2005, 02:36:31 AM
Sorry,GDElla didn't know it was her!Is there any colour portrait of her or any colour portrait of the members of Erbach-Schoenberg family?
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Marc on March 29, 2005, 06:16:18 AM
Yes,I have but never found any colour portrait of anyone from her family  :(
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Rosamund on April 24, 2005, 05:44:07 AM
In the book Manifest Destiny there is a photograph taken in 1865 of the Battenburg children with Grand Duchess Marie and her brothers Serge and Paul. According to the book, 'Every summer when Tsar Alexander 11 came to take the waters at Ems, Prince Louis' aunt, the Empress Marie, and her younger children came to stay at the Heiligenburg, where the Emperor later joined them.'

This all conjures up a happy picture of cousins playing together and enjoying each other's company.

The impression I have, from reading the Forum, is that when they became adults Battenburg and Romanov contact was mainly through Victoria to her sisters, rather than through Louis to his cousins.

Were there any other regular meetings and correspondence such as from Marie Battenburg to Marie Edinburgh or did the capture of Sandro by the Tsar embitter relationships between the two families?

Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: bluetoria on April 24, 2005, 06:05:38 AM
It always seemed to me that as long as Alexander II was alive (& Empress Marie) the families had regular contact with each other, but following the death of Alexander II, Alexander III rather looked down on the Battenbergs, particularly after the Sandro debacle.
At Ella's wedding, for example (thanks partly to the interference of Bismarck) Louis Battenberg was deliberately humiliated by being made to sit with the officers rather than his wife (who was naturally near the bride).
Nicholas & Alexandra would not have been so 'snobbish' though, surely?
It would be interesting to know, too, how Prince Henry of Prussia viewed his wife's brother-in-law since the Prussians were notoriously anti-Battenberg (though Henry had braved Willy's wrath to attend Beatrice's wedding to Liko.)
It would be interesting to know more, Rosamund!  :)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Ilana on April 24, 2005, 09:59:58 AM
To their credit, N&A were not at all snobbish towards the Battenbergs....
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: grandduchessella on April 24, 2005, 10:39:45 AM
There are some photos of Henry & Irene with Franzjos Battenberg and his wife Anna so it seems Henry got along fine w/the Battenbergs. I think they were 'hanging out' separately from Louis & Victoria even being there I think.

I would lay the worsening relations on the affair of AII and also AIII's feelings. I read somewhere that he was always resentful of his Battenberg cousins because of the popularity they had with his father (and possibly because they were so handsome and intelligent). This flared up quickly during the whole Sandro/Bulgaria affair. It all seems much more personal than feelings of snobbery.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Rosamund on April 24, 2005, 01:50:39 PM
Thank you all for the interesting information. It's nice to hear of someone who loved Serge, for a change.

I assume Alexander 111 did not have much contact with his cousins, as he was some years older. This would be the same for Grand Duke Vladimir but I wonder if Grand Duke Alexei was ever taken to Heiligenburg by his parents.

According to Manifest Destiny, Louis was particularly fond of Marie of Edinburgh and when at Malta attended her musical evenings. 'He was a quite an accomplished pianist himself, and was much in demand on such occasions.' But this was before Empress Marie Alexandrovna died.  
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: grandduchessella on April 24, 2005, 06:05:18 PM
Louis seems to have been a popular figure w/most relatives. I think Missy writes of him quite favorably in her autobiography.

I think mostly Serge and Paul (as well as their sister Marie) visited Darmstadt but that could just be that much of the info comes from QV's letters which wouldn't have really touched on that area until after Alice married by which point AIII and the others were older.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Rosamund on April 25, 2005, 01:45:38 PM
Hello Elisa, on the photograph in 1865 they both stand out from a 'sea' of brothers. As the only girls in each family they must have had much in common so it is nice to find out that they had stayed in contact, at least until the early eighties.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on April 25, 2005, 03:43:21 PM
I have been following this thread and find it to be quite interesting. However with each post I wish more and more that I could see this wonderful photo.  :). Does anyone have a copy that they could post. I am not sure if you have a scanner Rosamund, perhaps someone else has one. I was just thinking about it...
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Rosamund on April 25, 2005, 04:18:04 PM
As soon as I have bought a new lead for my scanner, I am going to attempt to post it.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on April 25, 2005, 04:41:48 PM
I cant wait to see it  ;D.

I have seen so few pictures (as a matter of fact I cant recall any  :-[) of the Battenbergs when they were children or young teens at least.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Svetabel on April 26, 2005, 11:37:16 AM
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As soon as I have bought a new lead for my scanner, I am going to attempt to post it.


It would be great to see the pictures! Thanks in advance! ;)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Speedycat on May 29, 2005, 11:00:36 AM
Have a nice article of Marie Erbach (nee Marie Battengburg) and there is a nice group shot of her with her brother's and Romanov cousins.  I will scan and post it soon (computer virus troubles right now).  Also have a 'newer' version of Ella and Victoria of Hesse with their husbands...a different twist on the Romanov Battenburg link.

(http://img56.echo.cx/img56/9329/hesseanddaughters5hc.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Speedycat on May 29, 2005, 12:37:20 PM
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In the book Manifest Destiny there is a photograph taken in 1865 of the Battenburg children with Grand Duchess Marie and her brothers Serge and Paul. According to the book, 'Every summer when Tsar Alexander 11 came to take the waters at Ems, Prince Louis' aunt, the Empress Marie, and her younger children came to stay at the Heiligenburg, where the Emperor later joined them.'

This all conjures up a happy picture of cousins playing together and enjoying each other's company................



I think this is a photo of that visit.............................

(http://img240.echo.cx/img240/12/battenburgromanovcousins1ej.jpg)

In the back, the two older girls are (L)Marie of Russia and (R) Marie of Battenburg with their bothers.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on May 29, 2005, 05:52:36 PM
Thanks for posting this great photo Speedy. I have never seen it.

For the id's of the boys all the way accross it seems to me to be:
(l-r) Henry, Louis (standing), Franzjos (seated), Sandro, Pavel and Sergei.

The youngest in the group, Franzjos, was born in 1861 so that would mean that the photo was certainly taken around 65' as he does not look older than three.

Also I had been wondering about a photo that appeared in Beatrice's bio, "The Shy Princess" which was marked as being Henry. It does not really look like him but I was unsure. After looking at this photo Speedy posted it seems like the one ided as Henry in the other book may actually be Sandro. This is just based on the way Henry and Sandro look in this 1865 group shot. Plus as adults Henry had the wide face, like his mother and Sandro had a more narrow face, a la their father. Here they both are to compare:
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/loali2/henrybatt.jpg) (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/loali2/Image1.jpg)

Anyone have an opinion on it? I would love to know what you guys think. I know its not really too too important but always like to know who I am actually looking at in a photograph.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Svetabel on June 02, 2005, 09:11:58 AM
Thanks to all for the pictures! :)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: bluetoria on June 02, 2005, 01:45:22 PM
They were all extremely handsome chaps, weren't they!  :D
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Rosamund on June 03, 2005, 07:02:28 AM
I agree with you Thomas.

Many thanks to Speedycat for posting the whole photograph.  I have had to invest in a new scanner and the section I posted is my first attempt, as you may gather by the diagonal edge.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Speedycat on June 07, 2005, 01:25:35 PM
Here is another from a few years later..1868

(http://img64.echo.cx/img64/7071/battenburgromanovcousins18683g.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Ilana on June 07, 2005, 01:35:15 PM
This is most definitely Prince Louis.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on June 07, 2005, 01:37:26 PM
Oh speedy you must do away with the resizing at least for this one picture. Please post it regular size  ;D.

So it is Louis. I will probably have to agree with you guys. I am glad to see a photo of him as a teen.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Speedycat on June 07, 2005, 01:47:17 PM
If I get in trouble it's your fault ::)

(http://img275.echo.cx/img275/3117/battenburgromanovcousins18689m.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Rosamund on June 07, 2005, 03:25:08 PM
Thank you very much again Speedycat!  I hoped this would be posted after reading Thomas's description of it.  
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on June 07, 2005, 08:45:38 PM
Thank you so much Speedy. Ill deal with any people who got any problems  ;).

Were did you find this amazing photo? I love it.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Speedycat on July 04, 2005, 06:27:03 PM
Another photo of the "original" Battenbergs along with some Hesse relatives.
Standing left to right: Julie, Princess of Battenberg(nee von Hauke); Prince Karl of Hesse with his sons Prince Wilhelm and Prince Ludwig; Prince Gustav Wasa; Prince Alexander Battenberg.  Seated in front left to right:  Princess Karl of Hesse, Tsarina Marie Alexandrovna (nee Hesse) and Princess Ludwig of Hesse (nee Alice of England)

(http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/6811/hessefamilygroup18643hf.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: grandduchessella on July 04, 2005, 08:16:30 PM
Great picture! I love how pretty Alice looks there.  Is it from a Mountbatten/Battenberg book or Royalty Digest?
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Speedycat on July 04, 2005, 08:23:59 PM
From RD.  Browsing through them toady, as it is a holiday and I have the time to spread out all the boxes and look through everything.  Just dying to get my hands on the first 24 issues that I am missing and a few in the #80-#90 range that I missed.  But $$$$$ is always the problem.  Maybe as a birthday gift to myself I will break out the credit card before they are all sold out of back issues.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: bluetoria on July 20, 2005, 08:31:52 AM
This photograph was taken in Darmstadt in 1888. Am I right in assuming that the little girl on Ella's knee is Alice (Battenberg)?

Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Alicky1872 on July 20, 2005, 08:41:10 AM
Oh yes, I'd say that's little Alice! Lovely photo, isn't it?
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: bluetoria on July 20, 2005, 08:58:29 AM
Thanks, MrsEddy - I thought so. Yes it is a lovely photo. Have you noticed how Louis IV seems to appear twice?? Presumably the man on the right is his cousin Alexander of Hesse (??) but the similarity is remarkable.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on July 20, 2005, 10:37:59 AM
I am pretty sure that the man seated to the right is Louis' brother Prince Wilhelm of Hesse.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Ilana on July 20, 2005, 06:51:40 PM
That really doesn't look like Louis next to Serge, does it?  But it must be him, I guess.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Alicky1872 on July 21, 2005, 05:57:37 AM
You're talking about the man between Serge and Alix, right? That can't be Louis of Battenberg. That man has "Hessian eyes" if you know what I mean...he doesn't look like a Battenberg. Possibly Louis B. was away at sea when this pic was taken...but who is this man?
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: bluetoria on July 21, 2005, 06:18:58 AM
Quote
I am pretty sure that the man seated to the right is Louis' brother Prince Wilhelm of Hesse.


Thanks PrinceEddy; I never thought of him!  :) Perhaps 'the 3rd man' is the other brother, Henry??
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Ilana on July 21, 2005, 04:13:05 PM
Actually, a couple of years ago, some friends and I just parked and walked up to the residence at Seeheim.  It's in a very dilapidated condition, and not safe to wander around.  But, we got a feel for the place, sort of set on higher ground with a stretch of grass in front... you could see Louis proposing to Victoria there... but you must use your imagination!! :D
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Alicky1872 on July 22, 2005, 04:44:12 AM
Quote

Thanks PrinceEddy; I never thought of him!  :) Perhaps 'the 3rd man' is the other brother, Henry??


>:( It's Mrs. Eddy!  ;D ;D

Thank you Thomas for posting that lovely photo! It is my dream to actually SEE the places I've read about for so long! To walk where the Hessians walked!
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: bluetoria on July 22, 2005, 06:07:40 AM
Quote

 >:( It's Mrs. Eddy!  


Come, come Mrs Eddy; "we're not at home to Mrs. Cross patch" at this hour of the morning!  ;D ;D If you would like me to thank Mrs Eddy as well as Prince Eddy I am happy to do so. (All these eddys are going to my 'ed!!!  ;D)

Ilana, thank you for the description & thank you Thomas for the picture. How dreadful to think of the place being ruined by vandals.  :(
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: grandduchessella on August 14, 2005, 09:43:58 PM
QV was quite fond of them (as she was of all the Battenbergs). The photo on the 1st page of Anna & her niece Ena was taken on a visit to England.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Marc on August 15, 2005, 07:08:43 AM
Didn't know that!Why was she so fond of them?Was she fond of all families of her children equal or not?
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: grandduchessella on August 15, 2005, 09:57:35 AM
She'd long been a supporter of the Battenbergs. It probably started with her familiarity with Louis Battenberg who joined the British navy and served with her son Alfred. It was strengthened with Louis married her granddaughter Victoria of Hesse. Another link came with Henry Battenberg's marriage to her youngest daughter Beatrice and the aborted betrothal between Alexander Battenberg and her granddaughter Victoria of Prussia. By then, very impressed with the family both in looks and personality, Victoria had scathingly put down those who criticized her for letting the daughter of the British Queen marry a lowly prince of morganatic blood. She was a staunch support of Sandro's proposed marriage to Moretta but that match was doomed by politics between Germany--Russia--Bulgaria (where Alexander temporarily reigned).
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Marc on August 15, 2005, 01:58:54 PM
Aaaa,so there are several reasons!Was Queen Victoria fond of every family her daughters(or granddaughters) married into?I know that before their marriage Anna was visiting Queen Victoria in Cannes in order to ''aprove'' this marriage!By the way,it was always stange to me why would Queen Victoria aprove Battenberg marriage since she was not nor mother or father of Franz Joseph von Battenberg who was just brother of her son in law?
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: CountessKate on August 18, 2005, 03:45:50 AM
Queen Victoria was NOT fond of every family her daughters or grandaughters married into, in fact she particularly disliked the Romanovs as marital partners.  However, she liked to keep tabs on prospective spouses for her own huge family and the Battenburgs seemed prime marrying material, particularly since they had dark hair and good looks - she wanted to add dark-haired individuals into the gene pool!
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: bluetoria on August 20, 2005, 06:22:34 AM
Wasn't Queen Victoria - with her penchant for handsome men! - quite taken with Alexander of Hesse, and through him, his sons?

She seemed to have rather confused feelings about whom her granddaughters should marry. On the one hand she understood Prince Albert's view of the need to bring in the 'new dark blood' and yet she seemed particularly keen on arranging marriages between first cousins - probably so she could keep 'tabs on' all her grandchildren.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: grandduchessella on August 20, 2005, 10:56:06 AM
Out of all her grandchildren:
Ella & Willy
Eddy & Alix
George & Missy
Maud & Ernie (though she dismissed this one because she worried about Maud's health)
Henry & Irene (she didn't arrange this and was actually rather peeved)
Ducky & Ernie

She wasn't really involved in them except for Alix & Eddy and Ducky & Ernie. The others she more or less gave an opinion on but wasn't pushing them. She really seems to have focused on Alice's children--perhaps because they were motherless?
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: bluetoria on August 21, 2005, 09:13:55 AM
I think QV also made a brief attempt to pair off Eddy & Mossy in 1891,

"she is not regularly pretty but she has a pretty figure, is very amiable and half English witha great love for England which you will find in few, if any, others." she told Eddy.  

They met up at Sandringham but, at the time Eddy was in love with Helene, and Mossy in the throes of an unrequited 'malheureuse passion' for Max of Baden....so nothing came of it.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: VN on August 29, 2005, 09:13:56 AM
Queen Victoria was relatet to the Erbach-Schönbergs. Her Great-Grandfather (or great-great Grandfather ?!?) was a Erbach-Schönberg. Thats why she planted the Linde in the Schloßgarten in Schönberg during a  vistit to Marie von Erbach-Schönberg. Sorry for not more specific names and dates, I'm just writing this by memory. If I have more time I will give more exact info after looking it up again.


Prinz Emil Schlösschen in Darmstadt, I lived across the street for several Years. It is a park now, inside of the Schlösschen nothing really remembers of the former owners. There is a day care center and a bicycle repair shop in it (when I lived there). They also have children entertainment there and concerts, but everything on a quiet level. So it still has a certain charm.


Greetings von Darmstadt

Vanessa
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: grandduchessella on July 30, 2006, 04:27:26 PM
The previous posts were lost in the software crash this past week. ALL posts in the Forum from that time period were lost.  :(

I think the gentleman in the middle is GD Ludwig, is Franz Joseph of Battenberg perhaps one of the men?
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Bach on July 31, 2006, 12:27:12 PM
OT - software crash - oh NO!

Back to the Battenbergs...I never realized how closely they resembled each other.  I think I might spend my next Royal phase reading up on their universe.  I know them mainly as part of the QVD.  Any book recommendations?
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: grandduchessella on July 31, 2006, 04:48:35 PM
Definitely Louis and Victoria by Richard Hough. It concentrates mostly on Louis Battenberg and his family but also mentions the others to larger extents than many bios--plus, it's a great read. Also there's From Battenberg to Mountbatten by Cookridge which is a slender book and not very in-depth but a good starter read. Hessian Tapestry by David Duff has a good amount on the Battenbergs in there, including a whole chapter on Sandro. Plus, like the Hough book, it's a great read.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on July 31, 2006, 08:42:03 PM
Another one by fellow poster Ilana Miller is coming out later this year on the 4 hessien sisters (although quite a lot of new info will be on VMH).
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: grandduchessella on August 01, 2006, 10:35:30 AM
What explains a Montenegrin bodyguard? Anna of Montenegro didn't marry Franzjos until 1897.  :-\ Sandro died in 1893.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: VN on August 03, 2006, 03:28:07 AM
That is where I got the picture from:

http://www.vicmart.com/ext/en/exrw/item=3661/Photos/CDVs/1880-Bulgaria-King-Batenberg-family-CDV-photo.html (http://www.vicmart.com/ext/en/exrw/item=3661/Photos/CDVs/1880-Bulgaria-King-Batenberg-family-CDV-photo.html)

Hallo Boyar

I just bowsed through the offers they have on Batenberg (Battenberg). They also offer a picture of Sandro and Johanna with Assene, dated 1880. They married 1889  :-\, and Assene was born 1890.

So I don't think that the picture we are trying to identify was necessarily made 1880. If the date on this picutre is correct, I don't think it is in Bulgaria or elsewhere on the balkan

I'm still trying to figure out who the man is, standing behind Marie (not in the white uniform). I saw him before..... ??? The man on the left side with the white uniform could be Ludwig (Louis) Battenberg.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 03, 2006, 04:27:46 AM
Yes I aw the other picture too. Sad that both images are rather clody and unclear. Would love to get a clean image. BTW anybody know any site that sells these kind of old royalty photos ? (not Ebay please...) :o
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: grandduchessella on August 03, 2006, 03:40:22 PM
Of this branch of royalty or royal portraits in general? As for ebay, I got a copy of this group photo from there so I can't badmouth them.  ;)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 03, 2006, 07:06:28 PM
No...I wouldn't dreamt of bad-mouthing Ebay. It is just that it is well known. It would be great to get another source.  ;)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: grandduchessella on August 18, 2006, 09:34:19 PM
I received my cdv in the mail so I scanned it and here are some of the figures enlarge and cleaned up as best I could. Maybe this will help with the IDs.

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/balkans/image985w.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/balkans/image986w.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/balkans/image987w.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: grandduchessella on August 18, 2006, 09:35:18 PM
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/balkans/image988w.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/balkans/image989w.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/balkans/image990w.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: grandduchessella on August 18, 2006, 09:36:04 PM
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/balkans/image991w.jpg)

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/balkans/image984w.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Ilana on August 19, 2006, 12:18:28 PM
Believe that seated guy is Franzjos??? The one with the black uniform jacket on....?
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 20, 2006, 08:25:04 PM
I thought it was Alexandros ....?
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: boyar on August 24, 2006, 07:15:33 PM
This is Beatrice, Princess of Battenberg:
(http://www.geocities.com/jesusib/beatrice.JPG)(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/balkans/image984w.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: boyar on August 24, 2006, 07:32:50 PM
This is Louis, Prince of Battenberg:
(http://www.geocities.com/jesusib/battenberg_louis.JPG)(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/balkans/image987w.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: boyar on August 24, 2006, 07:36:08 PM
This is Franz Joseph, Prince of Battenberg:
(http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/mountbatten/1861%20Franz%20Joseph-01.JPG)(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/balkans/image985w.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: boyar on August 24, 2006, 07:42:54 PM
This is Marie, Princess of Battenberg:
(http://img194.echo.cx/img194/4245/marieerbachschonberg3cg.jpg)(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/balkans/image988w.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: boyar on August 24, 2006, 08:04:27 PM
This is Henry, Prince of Battenberg:
(http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/mountbatten/1858%20Henry-10.jpg)(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/balkans/image989w.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: boyar on August 24, 2006, 08:20:53 PM
The men who are Henry and Franz Joseph might also be switched. They look very much alike.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: grandduchessella on August 24, 2006, 08:31:54 PM
I don't think the lady is Beatrice. The eyes, nose and 'no neck' don't seem right. I also think that the one gentleman probably is GD Louis of Hesse but I don't think it's Louis Battenberg--the seated man is huskier and his face is rounder.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: boyar on August 24, 2006, 08:42:53 PM
The only one I am 100% sure is Beatrice. The nose is the same, it is simply hard to see. "No Neck" is because of the dress and the way she has positioned her head.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 24, 2006, 08:47:41 PM
I am 100% sure that the "fat girl with no neck" was NOT Beatrice.  >:(
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: boyar on August 25, 2006, 06:45:56 AM
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I believe that they are the same woman. If you believe that they are not that is ok. No need for drama.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: grandduchessella on August 25, 2006, 10:34:47 AM
That's true, no drama. I would say though that I'm absolutely sure it's not Beatrice either. The eyes and nose just aren't right. I've looked at the card and looked at it and I just don't think it's her. It just doesn't resemble her figure or features, in my non-dramatic opinion.  :)

I'm with you on the Marie Erbach one though.  :)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 25, 2006, 11:57:23 PM
Yes and the fat girl did look finny though... ;D
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on August 28, 2006, 11:38:53 AM
Boyar:
That women looks 100% nothing like Beatrice. I know of course none of this is that serious but come on...

 I dont want to get dramatic either but take it from ella and I (ans eric too  :))that is NOT Beatrice Mary Victoria Feodore, daughter of QV. Nor is that her husband Henry. Henry never had a beard like that. Plus it just looks nothing like him. Also your identification of Louis Battenberg is incorrect. Louis never, even in old age got heavy like that. Also again, it looks nothing like him.

Their sister Marie is obviously the thin women, correctly identified by Boyar. That does look like it may be Franzjos as well, he looks similar in Beatrice and Henry's wedding pic. He may also be, as Ilana said, the seated man in the dark uniform.

I think the man seated in the white uniform and hat may be Sandro but im not sure.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: PrinceEddy1864 on August 28, 2006, 11:41:05 AM
I apologize if someone had already suggested that that was Sandro. I am at my schools library between classes right now and in a bit of a hurry. I still dont have internet at my apartment.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Guinastasia on August 28, 2006, 12:42:26 PM
Yeah, no way that's Beatrice.

Question-was Ena close with her Battenberg cousins?  I've always liked this picture of her with Marie of Erbach-Schoenberg:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/Guinastasia/History/enanandmarieelisabethoferbachsch-1.jpg)

It's just so sweet and touching.

Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 28, 2006, 08:59:30 PM
Yes I think so...I saw on the Ena thread a photo of her with Princess Franz Josef of Batteberg (born Princess Anna of Montengero, one of the "black pearls"). Ena however lived more of her life in England (due to her mother's role and companion to her granny) than in Germany (although she holiday with her Battenberg cousins). Ena's closet friends are nrt cousins Marie Erbach, Baby Bee and Alice Athone.  ;)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: VN on August 29, 2006, 04:20:53 AM
Yeah, no way that's Beatrice.

Question-was Ena close with her Battenberg cousins?  I've always liked this picture of her with Marie of Erbach-Schoenberg:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/Guinastasia/History/enanandmarieelisabethoferbachsch-1.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/Guinastasia/History/enanandmarieelisabethoferbachsch-1.jpg)

It's just so sweet and touching.



This picture is Ena (left) with her cousin Edda (Elisabeth Donata) von Erbach-Schönberg (girl on the right ), the daughter of Marie von Erbach-Schönberg ! Marie was Ena's aunt.

Ena's father Heinrich (Liko) was Maries younger brother.

Both families where close, visiting eachother in England and Heiligenberg.    

Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 29, 2006, 10:24:09 AM
Indeed ! I wonder if they stayed in contact ?  ???
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Guinastasia on August 29, 2006, 11:23:00 AM
D'oh!  Why did I say Marie when it was a Elizabeth!

Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: grandduchessella on August 29, 2006, 04:29:22 PM
Indeed ! I wonder if they stayed in contact ?  ???

Her aunt Marie was at her wedding. I can't remember from her memoirs whether her daughter was or not.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on August 29, 2006, 07:15:51 PM
Indeed ! If they had stayed in contact and wrote letters. That could have been another source on Ena... ;)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: omanik on March 25, 2007, 01:21:57 PM
Hi there

Some years ago, I "stumbled" over the grave of Franz Josepf and Anna von Battenberg. Since that time I very much try to get some information about them. But looks like there is not so much avaible.
I have  digged in the subject quite well, so I know about there parents, there relatives and so on. But I can hardly get any information about their lives. Questions which are of interest to me are as follows:
Where have they been living, and why Franzjos died in Schaffhausen - a place which is - as much as I know - of no connection to their family and relatives at all.
How was the relation to their relatives, specially to the line von Battenberg?
Is there any record about their marriage? Why they never had any children?
Would be great to get some feedback!
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: grandduchessella on March 25, 2007, 01:59:20 PM
There was a thread on Anna already so I have merged the 2. There was also some info scattered around various threads:

courtesy of speedycat, Anna and her niece Ena Battenberg:

(http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/7598/enawannabattenburg18992bn.jpg)

Anna and Franzjos (as was his whole family) favorites of Queen Victoria and often visited Britain:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/vickyandfritz/britain/File0473ww.jpg) (Circa 1897--Victoria Eugenie 'Ena' Battenberg, Anna, the Duchess of York (later Queen Mary), Queen Victoria)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: grandduchessella on March 25, 2007, 02:01:43 PM
From the Montenegrin thread:

(courtesy of Prince Christopher):

On their marriage:  In 1896, while Queen Victoria was on her annual spring holiday to the French Riviera, she was accompanied by Louis, Victoria, Alice, the recently widowed Beatrice and her 4 children.  "One afternoon the royal party went to La Turbie with [Franz of Battenberg] and Princess Anna of Montenegro.  While most of them went to a booth containing a "camera obscura", Franzjos and Anna slipped away from the main party.  Soon afterwards, at breakfast, Louis announced their engagement and presently Anna's wily father, Prince Nikola, arrived to charm Queen Victoria."

On their exile:  Up until the war, Prince Franz Josef of Battenberg, who was scholastically inclined, and his wife Anna spent some time at Prinz Emils Garten.  "But at the outbreak, they were outside Germany and Ernie advised them not to return.  Later Ernie gave Franzjos permission to come back, but he decided not to.  When Italy joined the war, he and Anna found themselves permanent exiles.  They settled in Switzerland, where he pursued academic studies.  They had never been prosperous, and now their fortunes went into sharp decline.  By August 1916, Franzjos was described as "awfully badly off."

Also from Vickers:

On later finances:  Franz Josef died in 1924.  "Edwina [Mountbatten], who, though she had never met him, had been sending him an allowance and continued to send money to his widow Anna until her [Edwina's] own death in 1960."

In July of 1930, Anna was living at Stein-am-Rhein, and visited Alice.

After the death of Victoria Milford-Haven, her children were concerned about the will-being of their Aunt Anna, who would only accept money from Battenbergs.

When Alice died in 1969, one of the messages came from her old Aunt Anna in her room at Territet.

Anna died at Montreux on April 22, 1971, aged 96.  For many years, she was the oldest European princess.

From Gleb:

Also H.RM. King Umberto II of Italy paid the rent of the little house where his Aunt Anna lived. He was quite close to her and she had been very helpful and kind when H.R.M. Queen Elena of Italy was very hill (in fact she died) during the beginning of the fifties.

Queen Elena and her husband King Vittorio Emanuele III were great friends of Franz Josef and many photos show them all together. During the summer they paid several visits to the Savoy in the summer residences of Racconigi and San Rossore.

From gorm:

In an attempt to cover all of his bases, Nikolai married his daughter Ana off to Prince Franz-Joseph of Battenberg in 1897. Although the Prince died prematurely, Ana remained in mourning for the rest of her life.


From Danjel:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v666/daan73/Anna3.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: omanik on March 25, 2007, 03:04:52 PM
Thank you very much grandduchessella!  Even I have followed several threads I have never found all the posts you have put together here.

Still, there remain a lot of questions:
Can anyone tell something about "Emil Garten"? I googled it but could not get a sensful answer where it is or used to be.
Then, I read somewhere about Queen Victoria, that she mentioned Franz Joseph and his wife in letters. What did she write about them? Is there a book about this?
What kind of studies Franz Joseph did? Somewhere I found a note about a Dr. Franz von Battenberg. Is this Franzjos?
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Helen on March 25, 2007, 03:30:14 PM
Can anyone tell something about "Emil Garten"? I googled it but could not get a sensful answer where it is or used to be.
Do you mean the Prinz-Emil-Garten at Bessungen - now part of Darmstadt? It still exists, at the corner of the Hermann Strasse and Heidelberger Landstrasse in Darmstadt.
http://www.darmstadt-tourismus.de/sehenswertes/details.asp?id=13 (http://www.darmstadt-tourismus.de/sehenswertes/details.asp?id=13)
http://www.darmstadtgalerie.de/details.php?image_id=64 (http://www.darmstadtgalerie.de/details.php?image_id=64)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: omanik on March 26, 2007, 02:05:23 AM
Yes, seems to be what I was looking for. I think I will visit Darmstadt next time I'm in Germany.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: VN on March 26, 2007, 05:25:28 AM
Franz-Josef wrote a book about the economic system of Bulgaria (published around 1886-90!??). I guess due to his time in Bulgaria with his brother Sandro.
Dr. Franz von Battenberg should be Franz-Josef, as far as I remember he had a doctorate. According to his sister Marie von Erbach-Schönberg, he was more an academic person, Ludwig, Sandro and Liko more military.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Ilana on March 26, 2007, 11:35:19 AM
Yes, he had a doctorate.  He was a voracious reader and used to send VMH and her sisters on errands so they wouldn't bother him while he read.
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Post by: grandduchessella on March 26, 2007, 12:09:27 PM
According to a book on the Vanderbilts, he made a proposal of marriage to Consuelo Vanderbilt (later the Duchess of Marlborough) but she had dislike at first sight and turned him down flat. She, of course, was fabulously wealthy and that would've helped the family out enormously and she also made a fabulously disastrous marriage so perhaps Franzjos wouldn't have been so bad.

For British honors, he held the GCVO (1897) and KCB. His doctorate was based on a dissertation about his brother's reign in Bulgaria.

Sections of the archive at the University of Southampton Library MS 62, the Broadlands archives, include the papers for Alexander of Hesse; Princess Julie of Battenberg ; Prince Alexander I of Bulgaria ; and Prince Henry; naval and personal correspondence and papers of Prince Louis of Battenberg with some materials relating to the Russian imperial family; papers of his wife, Victoria and son George. Does anyone know where any papers of Franzjos might be?
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: grandduchessella on March 26, 2007, 12:10:33 PM
Franz-Josef wrote a book about the economic system of Bulgaria (published around 1886-90!??). I guess due to his time in Bulgaria with his brother Sandro.
Dr. Franz von Battenberg should be Franz-Josef, as far as I remember he had a doctorate. According to his sister Marie von Erbach-Schönberg, he was more an academic person, Ludwig, Sandro and Liko more military.

It was Die volkswirtschaftliche Entwickelung Bulgariens von 1879 bis zur Gegenwart (Leipzig, 1891)
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Post by: Janet_W. on March 26, 2007, 01:52:06 PM
But regarding Consuelo's marital prospects, grandduchessella, she was forced into marrying the Duke of Marlborough, correct? And it wasn't until her divorce and marriage to Balsan that she found happiness. So not to diminish Franzjos, but I rather think the matter of Franzjos vs. Marlborough was six of one, half a dozen of the other!  ;)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: VN on March 26, 2007, 02:42:46 PM
Franz-Josef wrote a book about the economic system of Bulgaria (published around 1886-90!??). I guess due to his time in Bulgaria with his brother Sandro.
Dr. Franz von Battenberg should be Franz-Josef, as far as I remember he had a doctorate. According to his sister Marie von Erbach-Schönberg, he was more an academic person, Ludwig, Sandro and Liko more military.

It was Die volkswirtschaftliche Entwickelung Bulgariens von 1879 bis zur Gegenwart (Leipzig, 1891)

Thanks for looking up the title, I didn't have the time to go look through my papers.  :). It is really very stange with Franz-Josef. Even in Darmstadt-Staatsarchiv I never really found something. I still have a source in Jugenheim, but I didn't work myself through everything yet- except one picture of Anna dated 1890 (?? or 91/92/93?? :-\) - Paris.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: grandduchessella on March 26, 2007, 10:45:28 PM
Some info about their wedding:

It took place in the cathedral at Cettinje with a Protestant benediction done afterwards at the British Legation. There was a large group of royalties, especially the entire Montenegrin family, but very few of Franzjos's relatives it seems.

This doesn't seem true but the New York Times reported that Anna was dowried by the Czar with a million roubles. The couple was said to have met shortly before the wedding while both visited Queen Victoria, vacationing at Cimiez. The Prince was a guest of Queen Victoria's while Anna was visiting her sister Militza and brother-in-law Grand Duke Peter.

It gave the sidenote that Franzjos had visited the US twice.

It was reported weeks later that Franzjos was going to be governing Crete. It was thought that the appointment would be well-received due to Franzjos being a favorite of Queen Victoria and the Princess being closely tied to the Russians. This gossip went on from about May to fall of 1897.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: gleb on June 02, 2007, 09:54:21 AM
From the Montenegrin thread:

(courtesy of Prince Christopher):

On their marriage:  In 1896, while Queen Victoria was on her annual spring holiday to the French Riviera, she was accompanied by Louis, Victoria, Alice, the recently widowed Beatrice and her 4 children.  "One afternoon the royal party went to La Turbie with [Franz of Battenberg] and Princess Anna of Montenegro.  While most of them went to a booth containing a "camera obscura", Franzjos and Anna slipped away from the main party.  Soon afterwards, at breakfast, Louis announced their engagement and presently Anna's wily father, Prince Nikola, arrived to charm Queen Victoria."

On their exile:  Up until the war, Prince Franz Josef of Battenberg, who was scholastically inclined, and his wife Anna spent some time at Prinz Emils Garten.  "But at the outbreak, they were outside Germany and Ernie advised them not to return.  Later Ernie gave Franzjos permission to come back, but he decided not to.  When Italy joined the war, he and Anna found themselves permanent exiles.  They settled in Switzerland, where he pursued academic studies.  They had never been prosperous, and now their fortunes went into sharp decline.  By August 1916, Franzjos was described as "awfully badly off."

Also from Vickers:

On later finances:  Franz Josef died in 1924.  "Edwina [Mountbatten], who, though she had never met him, had been sending him an allowance and continued to send money to his widow Anna until her [Edwina's] own death in 1960."

In July of 1930, Anna was living at Stein-am-Rhein, and visited Alice.

After the death of Victoria Milford-Haven, her children were concerned about the will-being of their Aunt Anna, who would only accept money from Battenbergs.

When Alice died in 1969, one of the messages came from her old Aunt Anna in her room at Territet.

Anna died at Montreux on April 22, 1971, aged 96.  For many years, she was the oldest European princess.

From Gleb:

Also H.RM. King Umberto II of Italy paid the rent of the little house where his Aunt Anna lived. He was quite close to her and she had been very helpful and kind when H.R.M. Queen Elena of Italy was very hill (in fact she died) during the beginning of the fifties.

Queen Elena and her husband King Vittorio Emanuele III were great friends of Franz Josef and many photos show them all together. During the summer they paid several visits to the Savoy in the summer residences of Racconigi and San Rossore.

From gorm:

In an attempt to cover all of his bases, Nikolai married his daughter Ana off to Prince Franz-Joseph of Battenberg in 1897. Although the Prince died prematurely, Ana remained in mourning for the rest of her life.



In 1924 when FJ died Queen Elena bought a villa for Ana near Villa Savoia, in Rome (the private home of the King and Queen of Italy) and asked her to come to live there, so that they could be "neighbours". But Ana refused becouse she said she wanted to live near her husband's grave. So she was often a guest of the italian Royal Family, but did not live with them, like Militsa (another sister) and Jutta.




Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: s.v.markov on August 09, 2008, 02:24:35 AM
Apologies for a momentary descent into trivia, but.........

In UK (and possibly elsewhere) a marzipan covered sponge cake, which when sliced has coloured quarters in pink and yellow, is known as a Battenberg. In a recent episode of the long-running soap-opea 'Eastenders' one of the characters attempted to make one, and explained that it is so named because Victoria of Hesse first made it for her husband Louis of Battenberg. Is this true?

if so, congratulations to the script-writers of 'Eastenders' for historical accuracy!!

(Please move to 'Having Fun' or delete altogether if this is in the wrong place!)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Janet Ashton on August 09, 2008, 04:35:53 AM
Apologies for a momentary descent into trivia, but.........

In UK (and possibly elsewhere) a marzipan covered sponge cake, which when sliced has coloured quarters in pink and yellow, is known as a Battenberg. In a recent episode of the long-running soap-opea 'Eastenders' one of the characters attempted to make one, and explained that it is so named because Victoria of Hesse first made it for her husband Louis of Battenberg. Is this true?

if so, congratulations to the script-writers of 'Eastenders' for historical accuracy!!

(Please move to 'Having Fun' or delete altogether if this is in the wrong place!)

ha! This is really funny - I wrote to Ilana last night about the exact same thing, though I try to avoid EastEnders.  Sometimes I just catch it as it's on.... ;)

They previously had another storyline related to this board - in the 1980s there was a wine bar which opened opposite the pub the Queen Vic, and they decided to nameit after a royal "rival" - so it was named the "Dagmar" - I guess that it being the 80s everyone doing the scripts was thinking Russia would have been the natural rival.....though they could have picked someone from QV's own generation for greater accuracy...
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Russka Princess on August 09, 2008, 05:12:23 AM
 did i understand it rirght ?  the battenberg cake was called after Louis of Battenberg, becuase VHM has baked  the  cake for him ? i has read that the girls of hesse, has learnd to cook, and clean their ouwn rooms. so i think  she could baked it ^^
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: royaltybuff on August 09, 2008, 09:20:49 AM
According to this article, the Battenberg Cake was developed to celebrate the marriage of Princess Victoria of Hesse to Prince Louis of Battenberg. Although the marriage took place in the 1880s, the cake did not become commercially available until the early 20th century. Nothing is mentioned about VMH ever making the cake herself.

I suppose the concept is similar to the Maria Biscuit which was introduced to celebrate the marriage of Prince Alfred, Duke of Edinburgh, to Grand Duchess Marie of Russia.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-battenberg-cake.htm
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Post by: Michael HR on August 09, 2008, 10:23:58 AM
Can't stand the stuff. Bakewell tarts are much nicer
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Ilana on August 09, 2008, 11:32:59 AM
From what I understand from a family source (and Charlotte Zeepvat told me very early on to be wary of royals telling stories, they easily can get them wrong) the four checks are the brothers (Louis, Sandro, Liko and Franzjos) and the icing is Marie, the sister.  However, this can totally not be true. I do feel rather strongly, however, that VMH was not in the kitchen baking cakes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: royaltybuff on August 09, 2008, 11:50:36 AM
I'm with you on the idea that VMH did not bake a cake. The thought, however, makes me smile!  ;D . :-[. Interesting thought that the four section represent the brothers and the icing the sister.
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Post by: Russka Princess on August 09, 2008, 03:06:03 PM
 im ok sorry, about that i did understood it wrong im sorry, but the thought is cute, i imange VHM is in the kitchen and try to baked. ^^

her ei have the link that the girls has learn to cook

"Princess Alice brought up her daughters simply. An English nanny presided over the nursery and the children ate plain meals of rice puddings and baked apples and wore plain dresses. Her daughters were taught how to do housework, such as baking cakes, making their own beds, laying fires and sweeping and dusting their rooms."
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Post by: Robert_Hall on August 09, 2008, 03:31:44 PM
I suppose they could have, but A Battenberg cake is pretty complicated.  I tried it once and it was a mess!
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Post by: VN on August 21, 2008, 10:50:54 AM
The cake was crated by Princess Beatrice, she was the one married to Liko (Heinrich von Battenberg). This is what I learned about the cake. I discovered it in a baking book a few years ago. Her it stated that it was created due to the wedding of Beatrice and Liko. Last year a tourguide at Osborne House told me that Beatrice "created" the cake. She was very into baking and cooking.

I don't think that the checks are a sympol for louis, Sandro, Liko and Franz-Jos and Marie the marzipan Icing!!! (but what an idea). My thought is, that it symbols the hessian colores red and white. I could imagin that Beatrice was always dedicated to Hessen and especially after Liko had died so early.

I have baked the cake twice, it is a little work and very sweet (sponge cake 2 colores red and white and the whole sponge part wraped in marzipan) easier way -  You can buy the cake in the Supermarket, forgot the name of the Company that makes them. The smaller ones taste more like the original, the big one-pack offer doesn't tast as good. This is what I found out about the cake last year on our family and my research holiday in Lymington/Southampton.



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Post by: Marie-Mathilde on August 16, 2009, 02:45:25 PM
There is an upcoming film adaptation of Indian Summer by Alex Von Tunzellman. Indian Summer centres around Louis, Edwina and Nehru (with the main supporting roles going to Gandhi and Jinnah) during the last days of the British Empire in 1947. The film will be directed by Joe Wright (Pride and Prejudice, Atonement). The role of Edwina Mountbatten looks as though it will go Cate Blanchett (Elizabeth, The Aviator, Indiana Jones). And there is speculation that Lord Mountbatten will be played by Hugh Grant (Four Weddings and a Funeral, Notting Hill).

http://www.firstshowing.net/2009/03/12/atonements-joe-wright-adapting-indian-summer-novel/

I read the book ages ago and loved it, so I'm very excited. I think Joe Wright and Cate Blanchett are excellent, so I'm glad that they are on board. But the prospect of Hugh Grant playing Lord Mountbatten leaves me filled with dread. I haven't got anything against Grant personally, but he always seems to play the same character. Any thoughts? Who would you cast if you were in charge?
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Ilana on August 17, 2009, 11:40:23 AM
Grant is an excellent actor... he just got into a lucrative rut.  Not to worry, I believe he'll well be able to handle it!!!
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Post by: Marie-Mathilde on August 17, 2009, 11:58:49 AM
This morning I had a sigh of relief when I read this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1206958/Hugh-Grant-quit-acting--again.html

Looks as though Hugh won't be Lord Mountbatten after all.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Marlene on August 17, 2009, 02:24:58 PM


No where in the article does it say that Hugh Grant is actually quitting acting.  The author strings together a series of quotes from different magazines including a recent interview with Entertaiinment weekly.

This morning I had a sigh of relief when I read this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1206958/Hugh-Grant-quit-acting--again.html

Looks as though Hugh won't be Lord Mountbatten after all.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Olga Maria on November 05, 2009, 12:17:43 AM
Here are some photos of Louis with his Russian cousins and uncle.
With Olga at Alexandrine Park

With Tatiana, Maria, Olga (on the ground), Anastasia and their uncle Ernie. in 1909


the pics came out kinda small
Anybody who have saved these photos posted by PrinceEddy? Thank you very much in advanced.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Margot on March 14, 2010, 04:34:34 PM
I have been reading snippets here and there about Franz Josef and Anna! In my copy of Nikola and Milena there is a little section dedicated to Franz Josef and Anna, with photographs. I would like to know if anyone has any more information about Emilsgarten, the house where Franz Joself and Anna seem to have made their home in Hesse. I was wondering if any 'Hessians' like Thomas Hesse could throw some like light on this bijou property and whether Franz Josef actually owned it or was rather given use of it by family arrangement! Is there any information about the history of the property?

It was lovely to read that Princess Marie of Erbach Shonberg wrote of Anna 'who has been to me a sister, infinitely close and dear, a woman of rare qualities of heart and character...'

I assume Anna was educated in Russia. Elena enrolled at the Smolny in 1883 when aged  ten and I always assumed that the elder Montengrin girls all went to Russia when they were old enough to attend the Smolny. I am curious as to where Elena, Zorka, Stane and Militza lived in St Petersburg. Anna would have joined her sisters in St Petersburg in 1884, being the last of the Princesses to do so as Vera and Xenia were too young and missed out on the opportunity after Elena was involved in the incident of the duel between Carl Gustav von Mannerheim and Arsen Karadjordjevic which led to Elena returning to Cetinje under a cloud.

I assume Anna was permitted to remain in Russia and complete her studies at the Smolny but would love it if someone could clarify this, I always assumed that the Smolny was a boarding school but am ot certain although I assume after the marriages of Stane and Militza, Elena and Anna could have more or less lived with either whilst attending the institute.

    
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Post by: Thomas_Hesse on March 15, 2010, 08:24:07 AM
I would like to know if anyone has any more information about Emilsgarten, the house where Franz Josef and Anna seem to have made their home in Hesse. I was wondering if any 'Hessians' like Thomas Hesse could throw some like light on this bijou property and whether Franz Josef actually owned it or was rather given use of it by family arrangement! Is there any information about the history of the property?

(http://www.dagota.de/pics/tur98n.jpeg)

The Prime Minister of the Hesse-Darmstadt cabinet, Friedrich von Moser, bought several gardens at Bessungen - in the west of Darmstadt  - and had them extended to a small park in 1772 (by the famous N.A. Siebert). He had also errected a Villa by J.M Schuhknecht - while most of the former little edifices in the park are gone the "Schlösschen" is still existing.
Park and Schlösschen were bought by Grand Duke Ludwig I. in 1780 - and passed on to his youngest and probably most famous son General Prince Emil (+1856). He is the names patron of the ensemble and used to live there after he retired from his political actions.

The house is small - with a large drawing room in the center and two side wings on the ground floor as well as several cabinets on the first floor.
Grand Duke Ernst Ludwig sold it to the city in 1927 - so I guess it remained Grand Ducal property all the time and was just lent to Franz Joseph and Anna for their use.

The Prinz Emil Garden (the Darmstadt's call it "Prinzert") is mentioned quite often in several letters of the Hessian Royals. Meriel Buchanan wrote in her memoirs that it was there that she met the young Grand Duke and his sister Alix at a tea party for the very first time (and - child she was - was rather nasty)

Prince Emil of Hesse and the Rhine
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3a/Emil_Prinz_von_Hessen_und_zu_Rhein.jpg/180px-Emil_Prinz_von_Hessen_und_zu_Rhein.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on March 15, 2010, 03:23:17 PM
Thank you Thomas for the information and photo.  :)
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Post by: Marc on March 15, 2010, 04:27:52 PM
I am curious as to where Elena, Zorka, Stane and Militza lived in St Petersburg

While they were Princesses of Montenegro in Russia they had their own apartments in Smolny Instiute?They were also under special protection of the Russian Emperor...after that when they married they lived in Znamenka and Pavlovsk...don't know about the residence in particular of Duke Georg von Leuchtenberg...
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Margot on March 16, 2010, 03:21:42 PM
Bless you both Thomas and Marc!

I had a little rootle and am also a little unsure about George Leuchtenberg's residence in St Petersburg! The Mariinsky was sold in 1884 and several links suggest that the family moved to a palace or palaces on the English Quay!

They did have the impossibly charming palace of Sergeevka near Peterhof which along with Ropsha is one of my favourites! I believe George inherited Sergeevka in 1891 when his brother died.

Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on April 09, 2010, 08:07:52 AM

September 1897

Queen Victoria with Mary Duchess of York and Princesses Anna and Ena of Battenberg

(http://images.npg.org.uk/790_500/7/1/mw133371.jpg)
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 09, 2010, 10:46:47 AM
A great photo. I  wonder what QV think of Princess Anna ?
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: grandduchessella on April 12, 2010, 09:24:11 AM
From what little that's been published of Anna in QV's letters, etc...she liked her very much--as she did the entire Battenberg family. I think this was in 1897?
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 12, 2010, 12:16:10 PM
Thanks ! It is interesting since Anna was only married into the Battenberg family. Don't know if QV knew the rest of the Montenegran Royal Family (Anastasia, Elena...etc).
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: VN on September 04, 2010, 04:06:21 PM
To all the German members of the forum, and of course everyone who lives in the vicinity of Jugenheim/Darmstadt:


Id like to inform you that there will be an Exhibition on Alexander von Battenberg at Schloss Heiligenberg on the 18. & 19. September 2010. For more information you can click on the following link:


http://www.honorarkonsul-bulgarien-hessen.de/ (http://www.honorarkonsul-bulgarien-hessen.de/)


The Verkehrs,-und Verschönerungsverein Jugenheim will be the host. The main exhibition, which will be given to us from the Bulgarian Embassy is about Sandros years in Bulgaria. We, the VVJ will add material which emphasises on Sandros life before and after Bulgaria.
There will also be a little cultural program and a buffet.



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Post by: Paola on September 06, 2010, 06:28:20 AM
How interesting. I wish I could visit. VN, do you have the floorplans of Schloss Jugenheim or do you know of a book with pictures or watercolours  of the interiors?
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: VN on September 06, 2010, 03:37:17 PM
There are 2 pictures of the interiors and one drawing of the court yard of Schloss Heiligenberg around 1840 before renovated, drawn by Alexander von Hessen. I guess also a few other maps of the grounds of Heiligenberg. If you need more info then pm me. But be patient with me :-).
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Svetabel on September 15, 2010, 05:53:57 AM
Courtesy of anno.onb.at

Countess Hartenau, morganatic spouse of Prince Alexander Battenberg and her daughter Zwetana

(http://www.picatom.com/1m/1911f-1-th.jpg) (http://www.picatom.com/1m/1911f-1.html)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 15, 2010, 09:18:01 AM
That was not his daughter right ?
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Post by: Carolath Habsburg on September 15, 2010, 09:23:51 AM
Its his daughter. She looks a lot like her father

(http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1481/pic11i.jpg) (http://img201.imageshack.us/i/pic11i.jpg/)

 
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 15, 2010, 09:30:05 AM
Thanks ! Did she marry and had children ?
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Post by: Ilana on September 15, 2010, 11:37:32 AM
Getting back to Anna of Montenegro for a second, she was well-liked by the entire family.  She was a favorite Aunt of VMH's children.  It's a pity they didn't have a family.

Eric, I'm not sure, but I believe Zwetlana did indeed marry, but know nothing about it...
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 15, 2010, 01:05:22 PM
No problem. I guess VMH did not kept in contact with her niece.
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Post by: Svetabel on September 16, 2010, 06:49:20 AM
Countess Zwetana von Hartenau (1893-1935), married in 1924 Charles Hercule Boissevain (1893-1946).No children.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 16, 2010, 08:19:18 AM
Thanks for the info. The end of that line...
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Post by: grandduchessella on September 18, 2010, 12:35:14 AM
Bloodwise, yes. There was a son, Assène, who married Bertha Hussa. He adopted his stepson (age 19) who was renamed Wilhelm von Hartenau. Wilhelm had 3 children: 1.Alexander Assène Franz von Hartenau b. 28 Sep 1942; 2.Elisabeth Franziska Maria von Hartenau b. 4 Jun 1945; 3.Franziska Vera Maria von Hartenau b. 2 Mar 1948. Wilhelm was an MD. I wonder as the only 'descendants' if the family is in possession of much of the material on the lives of Alexander and Johanna.
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Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 18, 2010, 06:06:28 AM
I think most likely yes. Wow step royals !  ;)
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Post by: Riedesel on September 20, 2010, 05:32:06 AM
A wonderfully put together exhibition with a thoroughly interesting and personal presentation of Alexander's life by VN.
So good to have met you.

Thank you very much.

(I would love to have included some photos of Heiligenberg and the exhibition but I forgot my camera :-(  )
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: VN on September 21, 2010, 02:36:02 PM
Thanks for coming and the compliment. It was a very exciting weekend with a lot of visitors, even more on Sunday. We are very happy. Would be nice to stay in touch.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 19, 2010, 12:12:09 PM
I think that estate was sold by VMH after the first world war...
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: ashdean on November 19, 2010, 01:06:56 PM
I think that estate was sold by VMH after the first world war...
It was sold by Louis before his death.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 22, 2010, 08:41:32 AM
Between the two wars right ?
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Ilana on November 22, 2010, 10:07:57 AM
Yes, as Louis died in 1921.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 22, 2010, 11:21:48 AM
I hope he got a good price for it. It must be embrassassing to own property in enemy territory.  :(
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on November 22, 2010, 01:31:33 PM
Enemy territory?! That Battenbergs were entirely German in the male line - Heiligenberg was not just an estate it was the very first Battenberg residence.

One has to keep in mind that it was only for the British narrow-mindedness that Prince Ludwig had to change his name and title - I do not think that it was a pleasure for him and his family.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 22, 2010, 01:52:56 PM
It is Louis & Victoria WERE naturalised British subjects and not Germans by nationality anymore. To own land abroad is not something you want the British people to know about especially you were in public office. It was a serious conflict of interest.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: ashdean on November 22, 2010, 03:02:12 PM
I hope he got a good price for it. It must be embrassassing to own property in enemy territory.  :(
The proceeds or at least the greater part were swallowed up in the german inflation that happened soon after the sale and Louis death.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 22, 2010, 03:19:35 PM
That is what I thought...the same happen to the money that Anna Anderson fought in Germany that was divided over to VMH & Irene.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: José on December 03, 2010, 12:54:19 PM
Are there any photos of Asen and his wife Bertha ?

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Marc on December 04, 2010, 07:50:32 AM
It is Louis & Victoria WERE naturalised British subjects and not Germans by nationality anymore. To own land abroad is not something you want the British people to know about especially you were in public office. It was a serious conflict of interest.

They were still Germans by nationality because nationality is not determined by "passport",it is called citizenship of certain country...so,they were British subjects of German nationality(ethnic belonging)...
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 04, 2010, 10:13:08 AM
I think that was the reason that Louis was forced to resign. Imagine the head of the state government of the United States have a house in Nazi Germany during WW II ?
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Marc on December 04, 2010, 04:06:41 PM
I think a read somewhere here that Pamela and Patricia have signed themselves somewhere in Germany as "Princesses von Battenberg" even if they stopped using those titles in Britain...
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Robert_Hall on December 04, 2010, 04:17:35 PM
That would be odd, as German titles no longer exist. They would have to them incorporated into their birth name. Actually, Battenberg itself as a title no longer exists.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 04, 2010, 04:23:47 PM
I think it was Mountbatten that signed "Prinz Von Battenberg" when he visited Hesse in his later years. I brought it out with Countess Mountbatten (Patricia) and she told me it was totally blown out of poportion by the press. He did it while he was on holiday...
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Marc on December 04, 2010, 07:54:29 PM
I am just interested,do they still have the right to sign themselves as Princes von Battenberg outside of Britain?Would that in some way be still formally correct or formally incorrect?Even though they use other titles...

Just want to know is their case similar to Lady Louise Wessex?She uses and is known by the title of Lady dropping the higher title,but formally she still has the right to be a Princess...
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Paul on December 05, 2010, 04:23:05 AM
I am just interested,do they still have the right to sign themselves as Princes von Battenberg outside of Britain?Would that in some way be still formally correct or formally incorrect?Even though they use other titles...

Just want to know is their case similar to Lady Louise Wessex?She uses and is known by the title of Lady dropping the higher title,but formally she still has the right to be a Princess...

Lord Mountbatten may have done it as a "tongue-in-cheek" whimsy. Since Germany is a republic, the old rules and restrictions have no legal standing. 
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Marc on December 05, 2010, 07:31:33 AM
I know that,but just if we imagine Germany is not a republic,would they have the right?That was the point of my question...
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on December 05, 2010, 12:59:03 PM
Yes. He had the right...If he wanted to be German again. Most European Royal Families used their titles as their surname. Like Sophie Von Hannover (Princess Sophie of Greece and sister of Prince Philip). Mountbatten could use Louis Von Battenberg, which was their title and could be used as surname too, but not the Prinz though...
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on April 06, 2011, 06:08:16 AM

I have found this clip featuring the London premiere of "My fair lady" with Audrey Hepburn and Rex Harrison.

The are saluting Lord Mountbatten and a Lady wearing a tiara (I do not recognize her - it is not Edwina nor one of his daughters).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BxxP05_Fzs&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BxxP05_Fzs&feature=related)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: darius on April 06, 2011, 09:38:43 AM
I think they signed themselves as such on the famous window at Wolfsgarten... not on any official document.



I am just interested,do they still have the right to sign themselves as Princes von Battenberg outside of Britain?Would that in some way be still formally correct or formally incorrect?Even though they use other titles...

Just want to know is their case similar to Lady Louise Wessex?She uses and is known by the title of Lady dropping the higher title,but formally she still has the right to be a Princess...

Lord Mountbatten may have done it as a "tongue-in-cheek" whimsy. Since Germany is a republic, the old rules and restrictions have no legal standing. 
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Marc on April 06, 2011, 04:37:04 PM
The are saluting Lord Mountbatten and a Lady wearing a tiara (I do not recognize her - it is not Edwina nor one of his daughters).

It's Princess Alexandra of Kent with Lord Mountbatten!
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Ilana on April 08, 2011, 04:30:51 AM
You have to wonder, really, if they had the "right" since they gave up their titles in 1917.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Gabriella on April 08, 2011, 03:47:43 PM
The lady wearing the tiara is Princess Alexandra of Kent.

Here's a picture of that eveing showing her with Audrey Hepburn and Rex Harrison:

(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb175/silkedorothea/PssAlex20My20Fair20Lady20Premiere.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Marc on April 09, 2011, 01:35:49 PM
You have to wonder, really, if they had the "right" since they gave up their titles in 1917.

I don't know if they just stopped using them and adopted other titles or they had to renounce them officially(to the ones who bestowed them) in order to adopt others...there is the story that Patricia and Pamela,while visiting Germany,signed themselves as "Prinzessin von Battenberg" long after 1917,of course!

On the other hand,some other family members had right until the end of their lives to be just Prince/Princess von Battenberg,like Princess Anna until she died...

There would be an interesting situation if the whole Battenberg/Mountbatten family would meet after 1917,for example,in Sweden,(still a monarchy who still recognize titles)...Who would take precedence?

Lord or Lady Mountbatten over Prince Francis Josef von Battenberg due to seniority in the family or maybe Prince Francis Josef to to the fact that he was still Serene Highness and the other members are not?

Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Marc on May 30, 2011, 08:40:44 AM
Some more interesting facts about Princess Anna von Battenberg:

She was not a typical royal...She was pro-socialistic in her political views and also a vegetarian,so maybe that was the reason for her long life...She was very kind and attached to all her relatives(always remembering and sending postcards for their birthdays,namedays...) and often amuzed her cousins with the story about Queen Victoria who was drinking whiskey from a dark,opaque glass because she didn't want people to know what she was drinking...
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Ilana on June 01, 2011, 11:28:12 AM
She was quite a favorite with the family, I've read.  I believe she was Lady Louise's (later Queen of Sweden) favorite aunt.  It makes sense that Anna would have had interesting opinions, Prince FJ had a Ph.D, and was quite an intellectual himself.  They probably complimented each other well.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: primrose on June 03, 2011, 04:16:41 PM
I recently visited Osborne House, on the Isle of Wight, and stopped by St Mildred's Church to wander through my favorite final resting-place in the world. I first saw it in 1975, and unlike most of the East Cowes-Whippingham area today it is still peaceful and totally unspoiled. There was scaffolding on the church and repairs were being made to the roof but that didn't detract at all from the experience. Found the Battenburg graves, they're looking just as they should after nearly 100 years, clearly someone regularly tidies all the mounds and monuments and allows the wildflowers to flourish. It's a truly magical place in a perfect setting, overlooking the Medina River...


(http://i829.photobucket.com/albums/zz220/akilina_2009/osborne2011/th_battenburg1-1-1.jpg) (http://i829.photobucket.com/albums/zz220/akilina_2009/osborne2011/battenburg1-1-1.jpg)(http://)


Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: primrose on June 03, 2011, 04:20:57 PM
(http://i829.photobucket.com/albums/zz220/akilina_2009/osborne2011/th_battenburg2-1-1.jpg) (http://i829.photobucket.com/albums/zz220/akilina_2009/osborne2011/battenburg2-1-1.jpg)

(http://i829.photobucket.com/albums/zz220/akilina_2009/osborne2011/th_battenburg3.jpg) (http://i829.photobucket.com/albums/zz220/akilina_2009/osborne2011/battenburg3.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: primrose on June 03, 2011, 04:28:24 PM
(http://i829.photobucket.com/albums/zz220/akilina_2009/osborne2011/th_battenburg4.jpg) (http://i829.photobucket.com/albums/zz220/akilina_2009/osborne2011/battenburg4.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Ilana on June 04, 2011, 11:18:00 AM
I love the view of the water that you get as you stand there.  It is such appropriate place for the two of them.  When I was there, I pulled a huge weed off of VMH's grave!!
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: blessOTMA on June 04, 2011, 05:19:32 PM
primrose, thank you  for the beautiful photos!
I love the view of the water that you get as you stand there.  It is such appropriate place for the two of them.  When I was there, I pulled a huge weed off of VMH's grave!!
lol! Moments like that are rare and to be enjoyed! 
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: VN on June 19, 2011, 03:33:22 PM
Has anybody ever read the 'recollections' of Ludwid & Victoria Battenberg. Richard Hough mentioned them in his book. I will be in Southampton in July and will do some resarch at the Broadlands Archives. Are they (the recolletions) part of the collections?

Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Ilana on June 20, 2011, 10:19:50 AM
I have read VMH's recollections and Louis' recollections (I forgot what he called them).  His were written about his bachelor life and stop at his marriage.  I actually saw VMH's at Darmstadt and Louis' at Southampton.

What are you doing research about??
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: VN on June 20, 2011, 03:43:27 PM
Hi Ilana, thank you for your Information!
I started out doing a lot of research on Sandro and his wife Johanna and found a lot of new information and pictures. I've been to Soton already 4 years ago and since I live in DA also visited the Staatsarchiv. Since VHM's Recollection are in DA, I will have a look there. Somehow I always thought that these particular papers are kept at the Broadlands Archives.
Now my research field has grown, I research all the siblings. Pictures and lectures are shown/held at Schloß Heiligenberg that either the Verkehrs-and verschönerungs verein Jugenheim (historical society) arrange or the Stiftung Heiligenberg. http://www.vvv-jugenheim.de/images/plakat_gr.jpg (http://www.vvv-jugenheim.de/images/plakat_gr.jpg)

 A new Info Center is planned, a sort of little museum. Therefore the 'Russenbau' exactly behind the Garten Saal will be renovated.

If you want more Info you can send me a PM. I will be off to England, so it could take some time till I awnser.

Grüße aus DA

VN
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Svetabel on November 26, 2012, 06:27:39 AM
Bloodwise, yes. There was a son, Assène, who married Bertha Hussa.

Here's young Assen

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/1911assen.jpg)

Assen as a boy, and his sister Swetana.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/1903hartenay.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/1903hartenay1.jpg)

And their mother, Countess Hartenau

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/hartenau.jpg)

Courtesy of ANNO database

Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 26, 2012, 02:04:24 PM
They were the descendents of ? Sorry just joined in.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: grandduchessella on November 26, 2012, 04:51:10 PM
It's the wife and children of Alexander 'Sandro' Battenberg.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 26, 2012, 09:13:50 PM
Thanks. What happen to Johanna and the children after Sandro's death. The son seemed to inherit the Battenberg charm in the photo as a young man, a bit like his uncle Louis, Prince of Battenberg. What last name did they use ?
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: grandduchessella on November 26, 2012, 10:40:46 PM
Von Hartenau. Assen was married in 1934 to Bertha Hussa in Vienna. His sister was married in New York in  1924 to Charles Boissevain--she died relatively young, at 42. Neither had any children. Assen did adopt his wife's son by a previous marriage and gave him his surname.  

Sveta and I had answered some of these questions for you back on pages 16-17. That's the conversation Sveta quoted in the picture on the previous post.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 26, 2012, 10:59:52 PM
Thank you. Appreciate it very much. The pictures are new to me. :-)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on November 27, 2012, 06:26:35 AM
Wow!! Assen looks exactly as his mother, Johanna!!

Thanks Sveta!!
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 27, 2012, 01:41:35 PM
Love to see more of them if such photos exist. I wonder if they remain close to the Battenbergs.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: grandduchessella on November 27, 2012, 04:25:38 PM
They were mostly published in the German and Austrian magazines and newspapers. Even then, not too many. I wonder where the family archives ended up? I suppose, if the material wasn't handed over to the main Hessian archives, it would be with Assen's descendants?

I don't think there was too close a relationship, at least not one mentioned with much frequency in the memoirs of Victoria Milford Haven or the published memoirs of Princess Marie. The latter mentions Johanna only in passing and without much warmth. The family also lived in Austria so there was a geographically separation as well, especially post-WW1. She remained in Vienna even after WW2 as did her son.  Perhaps this morganatically founded family had issues with an opera singer? At least, Julie Hauke came from a noble background.

I think Marie mentions her somewhat in connection with the burial of Alexander in Bulgaria? If I can remember, it had to do with her agreeing for him to be buried as their former ruler, knowing that she wouldn't be buried with him.

You can see the graves of Johanna and Zwetana here:

http://royaltyguide.nl/countries/austria/graz/friedhofleonhard.htm
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 28, 2012, 12:56:00 AM
Thanks for the info. I guess they were on the lower pecking order even within the "morgentic issues". Sad that the families of Marie, VMH, Francis Joseph or Beatrice failed to reached out to this family. 

So the family remained in Austria throughout their lives ?
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: grandduchessella on November 28, 2012, 10:27:10 AM
There could've been a relationship, it's just never been noted in the memoirs or books on the family. If there was one, it doesn't seem to have been close. I don't know about Zwetana (she didn't marry or die in Austria but she's buried there) but Johanna and Assene seem to have spent their lives in Vienna.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Ilana on November 28, 2012, 10:33:58 AM
What I remember about Assen Hartenau was that he might have had some physical handicap.  This is just off the top of my head so don't quote me!!!  I think it was cerebral palsy.  And, another thing that comes to mind is that Lord Mountbatten may have been in touch with him, but again, these are just fleeting blips in my brain at this point, so I could be wrong!
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Marc on November 28, 2012, 10:45:56 AM
Perhaps this morganatically founded family had issues with an opera singer? At least, Julie Hauke came from a noble background.

I have read somewhere that Queen Victoria has some sympathies for Johanna...

Anyway,you are right about Julia...Through her father,she can trace her ancestry from many great noble families such as Isenburg,Sayn,Mansfeld,Waldbott-Bassenheim,Merode,Rantzau,Hatzfeld,Nesselrode,Ahlefeldt,Eltz...

Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 28, 2012, 10:50:17 PM
Thanks Ilana for the additional bits. I think Lord Louis Mountbatten was very much a family man whose clannish feelings were well known. I wonder if he ever knew his eldest half-sister Jeanne, daughter of his father and Lily Langtry...by blood a Battenberg.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Ilana on November 29, 2012, 10:13:38 AM
Lord Mountbatten did keep in touch with Jeanne Marie's family.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 29, 2012, 01:28:20 PM
Yes. That would what I expect out of him. He also was very friendly with his cousin Ena, even though his sister Alice did not particularly care for her. In fact I don't think they were ever in a photo together as I recall...
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: grandduchessella on November 29, 2012, 02:50:50 PM
Alice & Ena? They were both in photos from their time as bridesmaids to George V and Queen Mary. As adults? Their lives went on widely divergent paths. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't interact much.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: darius on November 29, 2012, 03:14:55 PM
They were also together in the group shot in The Queen´s wedding photo...
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 29, 2012, 03:44:09 PM
Hugo Vickers who wrote the book on Princess Alice told me that Alice did not like the way that Ena waved in public as sort of attention grabbing. Later VMH & Princess Beatrice also fell out so the two branches were not in harmony with each other.

Ena got along much better with Baby Bee & Alice of Athlone than Alice of Battenberg. Although apart from the waving story, the reason of that antipathy was not well known.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: darius on November 29, 2012, 04:14:36 PM
I believe this incident was commented in the biography.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: VN on November 29, 2012, 04:15:24 PM
Assen Hartenau was in touch with his Battenberg Family. I have 2 Pictures of him visiting Schloss Heiligenberg, one in the courtyard and one with his cousin George Battenberg - around 1907. His Aunt Marie zu Erbach also visited him for his Confirmation, that still must have been in Graz, not sure. I read this in one of her Diaries in the Staatsarchiv.

Marielies Hartenau, Wilhelms Wife, was very fond of her Father in law. Assen seemed to have been a very nice person. I had 2 very nice phone conversations with Frau Hartenau. She was over 90 years old at that time. She send me very nice pictures (copies) of Assen & Zwetana as children and as young adults. Assen looking very cool, smoking and very charming. Zwetana looking very much like Sandro. The pictures where shown at the Sandro Exhibition a few years ago at Schloss Heiligenberg. Since they are private Photos from her family-albums, she gave me the permission to show the pictures at the exhibition and asked me not to used them for anything else. So I wont post them here. But If anyone visits Darmstadt or Schloss Heiligenberg, feel free to contact me. In 2013 the Infocenter at Schloss Heiligenberg will be opened. At the moment The Schloss Heiligenberg Foundation, is very busy working on this project. We are trying to get material and objects for the Center.

Frau Hartenau's daughter also told me, that she still remembers very vividly Lord Mountbatten visiting them with Princess Anne. I think this was in the 60's ?! Not sure on the time.



 
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: grandduchessella on November 29, 2012, 07:45:12 PM
Thank you very much for those insights, VN, into this neglected branch of the famous Battenberg clan. The Center sounds wonderful. If things go as we hope, my husband and I will be back in Germany for his last tour in 2013 for a few years. That would be something to visit for sure. :)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 29, 2012, 09:46:29 PM
Yes. Always want to visit this castle but always closed according to my friends. Would love to take this opportunity.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Svetabel on November 30, 2012, 12:59:41 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/feomarie/Rarefind/1929-1.jpg)

Countess Hartenau in the late 1920s
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on November 30, 2012, 06:35:32 PM
She still looked very charming. I wonder if she ever visited Britain ?
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: MariaIIILuisa on April 01, 2013, 06:29:32 AM
Countess Hartenau with her children:
http://i47.tinypic.com/1zxbcyg.jpg (http://i47.tinypic.com/1zxbcyg.jpg)

And this is picture of a page from Sandro's field diary.
http://i45.tinypic.com/2hrn4mb.jpg (http://i45.tinypic.com/2hrn4mb.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 01, 2013, 08:35:50 AM
Thanks. Were these published in a book ?
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: MariaIIILuisa on April 02, 2013, 01:42:12 AM
Yes, they are from the diary, which has been published (http://knigite.eu/aleksandar-batenberg-dnevnik-aleksandar-batenberg-pi-10849.html) in Bulgarian.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 02, 2013, 06:02:54 AM
Too bad cannot read Bulgarian or Cyrillic. Is the dairy itself in Bulgaria or Germany ?
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: MariaIIILuisa on April 02, 2013, 07:13:15 AM
I do not know for sure. But considering the facts that the translator has said that he used the original manuscript and that countess von Hartenau has donated more than 2, 000 personal  belongings of Alexander to the National Museum Of Military History in Bulgaria during the 1930's, it's very likely to be in Bulgaria.
Anyway, Sandro is not Leo Tolstoy when it comes to writing, he is a soldier and he is very laconic. Most of the entries are: I got up, I was invited to luncheon with grand duke X, then we had to advance to point Y.
There are a couple of interesting moments, if you allow me to share them:
1. He has been shocked by the cruelty of the war \massacres of civilians, etc\;
2. He has been through some bad illness. His regiment has been left to starve for almost 2 days, he has written that he was so hungry that he scavenged the backpack of a dead turkish soldier and ate his stale bread. The translator applies that his death may be a postponed result from the horrible privations during this war. \He died from peritonitis. \
3. This one is very indicative of his character. During his vacations he definitely enjoyed the pleasures of life. He writes something like: “At the evening I went to the opera with X and two gorgeous ladies. After that lady Y allow me to escort her home. I returned home at the morning.” Lucky girl, lol.
4. And there was one very awkward situation,  that made me laugh. It’s not a joke at all. He ….  went to relieve himself in the bushes around the camp, when an angry bull came out of nowhere and started chasing him to the tents with the pants open.  And he has written that, I am not making it up. 
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 02, 2013, 06:13:47 PM
He seemed to be a very interesting character. I wonder if Moretta knew that side of him.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: MariaIIILuisa on April 03, 2013, 02:23:32 AM
I think it was a common knowledge. I've read that Bismark or the kaiser opposed to the marriage with the argument that 'a princess of Prussia will never marry such an ill-bred fellow' or something in the same vein.

If you're interested, here are 2 videos of the Sandro's constant exhibition at the National Museum of Military in Bulgaria.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oYQFlhm0Ow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oYQFlhm0Ow)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NvnsYNyEN0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NvnsYNyEN0)

I do have some pictures of him, which I haven't seen posted here, but wouldn't it be better if I post them in his own topic on the Balkan royalty forum?
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on April 03, 2013, 04:33:16 AM
the diary is in German
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 03, 2013, 06:52:23 AM
Thanks. I thought it would be.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: VN on April 05, 2013, 03:59:48 PM
She still looked very charming. I wonder if she ever visited Britain ?

Yes, a couple years after Sandro died she was in Britain. She also met with Queen Victoria. Maybe Johanna was invited by her Sister in Law Beatrice?
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: VN on April 05, 2013, 04:11:38 PM
I do not know for sure. But considering the facts that the translator has said that he used the original manuscript and that countess von Hartenau has donated more than 2, 000 personal  belongings of Alexander to the National Museum Of Military History in Bulgaria during the 1930's, it's very likely to be in Bulgaria.
Anyway, Sandro is not Leo Tolstoy when it comes to writing, he is a soldier and he is very laconic. Most of the entries are: I got up, I was invited to luncheon with grand duke X, then we had to advance to point Y.
There are a couple of interesting moments, if you allow me to share them:
1. He has been shocked by the cruelty of the war \massacres of civilians, etc\;
2. He has been through some bad illness. His regiment has been left to starve for almost 2 days, he has written that he was so hungry that he scavenged the backpack of a dead turkish soldier and ate his stale bread. The translator applies that his death may be a postponed result from the horrible privations during this war. \He died from peritonitis. \
3. This one is very indicative of his character. During his vacations he definitely enjoyed the pleasures of life. He writes something like: “At the evening I went to the opera with X and two gorgeous ladies. After that lady Y allow me to escort her home. I returned home at the morning.” Lucky girl, lol.
4. And there was one very awkward situation,  that made me laugh. It’s not a joke at all. He ….  went to relieve himself in the bushes around the camp, when an angry bull came out of nowhere and started chasing him to the tents with the pants open.  And he has written that, I am not making it up. 


Thank you for your information. I did a lot of research on Sandro. It is too bad, that I can't read bulgarian. Do post pictures here. He is a Battenberg :-).

Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 05, 2013, 08:05:29 PM
Thanks for the info. They seem to be on the fringe of royalty. The morganetic marriage of a morganetic prince.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: MariaIIILuisa on April 06, 2013, 05:28:36 AM
156 years since Alexander's birthday \April 5th\. In honour of this LostBulgaria.com has published that picture:

(http://s24.postimg.org/7cyhdf7fl/5599.jpg) (http://www.lostbulgaria.com/?p=5670)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 06, 2013, 11:50:22 AM
He was very handsome and dashing !
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: MariaIIILuisa on April 07, 2013, 08:22:09 AM
A while ago I found this picture at Getty. The caption says it's Louis, but it's not. It's Sandro. Am I right?

(http://s22.postimg.org/tbnh7yct9/820210217.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/tbnh7yct9/)

This one you've probably already seen it, but let's have it here, too. It's from Wikipedia. It's circa 1894 having the original signature of countess von Hartenau. It was a present for Konstantin Stoilov (http://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD_%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2), the godfather of the children. It's located now at the Central State Archive in Sofia.

(http://s1.postimg.org/uqiutcamj/BASA_600_K_3_343_3_Johanna_Maria_Louise_Loisinger.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/uqiutcamj/)

And these I found at the Deutsche Digitale Bibliothek today \Lucky me!\:

(http://s10.postimg.org/qasy3i0yd/18091.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/qasy3i0yd/) (http://s10.postimg.org/w1j4h88yd/19481_GF.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/w1j4h88yd/) (http://s10.postimg.org/79ji9zrrp/24715.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/79ji9zrrp/) (http://s10.postimg.org/xj4kssdp1/29970_1.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/xj4kssdp1/) (http://s10.postimg.org/7ous30dp1/29971_1.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/7ous30dp1/) (http://s10.postimg.org/odw7yxaad/29973.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/odw7yxaad/) (http://s10.postimg.org/malsr9ahh/34845_GF.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/malsr9ahh/)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 07, 2013, 12:28:02 PM
Yes that is Sandro !

Nice photo. You have a link to the archives in Sofia ?

She was really attractive. The Battenbergs have great taste in beautiful women. His brother Louis almost married Lily Langtry.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 07, 2013, 01:53:58 PM
Nice to have information from Sandro's family. Most books did not have much detail on his life and family.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: MariaIIILuisa on April 08, 2013, 12:45:27 AM
Nice photo. You have a link to the archives in Sofia ?

This (http://www.archives.government.bg/) is the official website. But when you enter for search Батенберг \Battenberg\ in the first field of the green box to the right \search at the digital archives\ only documents pop up.
This (http://www.nationallibrary.bg/cgi-bin/e-cms/vis/vis.pl?p=0038) is another big archive, The National Library at Sofia \again partially digitalized\, but the search interface is horrible and I couldn't find anything.

I guess the best way to find anything is to go on foot. Too bad I live in the dak province. :-(
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 08, 2013, 11:44:15 PM
Thanks for the info MariaIIILuisa.  :)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: MariaIIILuisa on April 09, 2013, 08:26:38 AM
Ok, here we go again.

This image floats in the internet as portrait of Sultana Racho Petrova, mistress of Ferdinand I of Bulgaria \I even linked it in his thread, when explaining the living picture\. But after I compared it with the finds from  Deutsche Digitale Bibliothek \especially №4\, it's clearly Johanna.
(http://s13.postimg.org/t8iw1u1o3/308056382.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/t8iw1u1o3/)

This one (https://www.ullsteinbild.de/ullstein-webshop/workbench.html?qwAction=searchQueryWord&queryWord=hartenau&newTitle=ullstein+bild+|+Search%3A+hartenau) from the ulsteinbild also looks good. \I don't have registration there, sorry.\

Sandro during the Russo-Turkish war 1877-78. Source - LostBulgaria.com (http://www.lostbulgaria.com/):

(http://s3.postimg.org/5pdktnycf/Alexander_I_Battenberg.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/5pdktnycf/) (http://s3.postimg.org/6sxp5mizj/Battenberg_new_3.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/6sxp5mizj/) (http://s3.postimg.org/p9s3wfyxr/Battenberg_new_4.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/p9s3wfyxr/) (http://s3.postimg.org/3on18u273/Battenberg_new_5.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/3on18u273/) (http://s3.postimg.org/jbeam7fz3/Russo_Turkish_war_1877_8_3.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/jbeam7fz3/) (http://s3.postimg.org/zawy5rc0v/Russo_Turkish_war_1877_8_5.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/zawy5rc0v/) (http://s3.postimg.org/e2j9obxjz/Russo_Turkish_war_1877_8_7.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/e2j9obxjz/) (http://s3.postimg.org/ku9or6mjj/Young_adult_Sandro_7.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/ku9or6mjj/)

My favourite session as newly elected prince of Bulgaria, circa 1879 \from various sources including the British Royal Collection\:

(http://s1.postimg.org/i42vshnu3/Young_adult_Sandro_3.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/i42vshnu3/) (http://s1.postimg.org/6g8txxyp7/Young_adult_Sandro_4.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/6g8txxyp7/) (http://s1.postimg.org/qc4tdhfqj/Young_adult_Sandro_8.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/qc4tdhfqj/) (http://s1.postimg.org/9cvuy84iz/Young_adult_Sandro_9.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/9cvuy84iz/) (http://s1.postimg.org/l39sflxbf/Young_adult_Sandro_10.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/l39sflxbf/)

Another one circa 1880:

(http://s24.postimg.org/ck84p2w7l/Young_adult_Sandro_11.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/ck84p2w7l/)

Probably his most famous photoportrait, featured in schoolbooks /again from LostBulgaria/:

(http://s17.postimg.org/60ph7ubm3/39247337.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/60ph7ubm3/)

With one of the many cabinets \screenshot from a documentary video\:

(http://s15.postimg.org/4fic099w7/746761376.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/4fic099w7/)

And scans of two photos \with hyper resolution!!!\ from some bg online auction house:

(http://s9.postimg.org/h2rrahccr/377029443.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/h2rrahccr/) (http://s9.postimg.org/t5x2y1nez/700743923.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/t5x2y1nez/)

The prince on a walk through Sofia, source: Stara-Sofia.com (http://stara-sofia.blogspot.com/)

(http://s7.postimg.org/9gzp3jzgn/661802855.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/9gzp3jzgn/)

Hope you liked these. I have a few more, I'll post them tomorrow when I find them :-)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 10, 2013, 12:32:48 AM
Very Impressive. I am glad he is still popular in Bulgaria.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: MariaIIILuisa on April 10, 2013, 01:17:47 AM
Very Impressive. I am glad he is still popular in Bulgaria.

He isn't a royal celebrity, you know :-). He's part of our history, for good or bad.

Ok. This is the last part of my "collection". The first two are from the Serbo-Bulgarian war, source - Facebook:

(http://s7.postimg.org/5uirisofb/751904920.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/5uirisofb/) (http://s7.postimg.org/wtmmdyaw7/941013223.png) (http://postimg.org/image/wtmmdyaw7/)

From the Russian state archives:

(http://s14.postimg.org/4sjim842l/195807077.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/4sjim842l/) (http://s14.postimg.org/4h229gnml/519604232.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/4h229gnml/)

And these are from here (http://kantor-ross.ucoz.ru/):

(http://s23.postimg.org/e22mtilxz/51539661.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/e22mtilxz/) (http://s23.postimg.org/r7i4zmftj/106859361.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/r7i4zmftj/) (http://s23.postimg.org/t0l1ny107/461850083.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/t0l1ny107/) (http://s23.postimg.org/3vu1aj1jr/562754795.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/3vu1aj1jr/) (http://s23.postimg.org/e7azgximv/975773458.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/e7azgximv/) (http://s23.postimg.org/4b9whacuv/991266610.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/4b9whacuv/)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: MariaIIILuisa on April 19, 2013, 04:33:18 AM
It appears that there's no much info about Franz Joseph of Battenberg, not to mention photographs. Anyway, here's a picture of him and prince Mirko of Montenegro.

(http://s18.postimg.org/8b03vxmj9/0000000000000fj_battenberg_prince_mirko_monteneg.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/8b03vxmj9/)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 19, 2013, 12:05:32 PM
Yes. He was the one who married Princess Anna of Montenegro. There was a photo of her and Ena.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: MariaIIILuisa on April 23, 2013, 04:54:43 AM
2 pictures from the Bulgarian edition of Marie's memoirs. It's written that the source is The National Library.

Krum-Assen
(http://s14.postimg.org/5onhmc3el/23042013396.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/5onhmc3el/)

Alexander, Graz, 1891
(http://s14.postimg.org/vlh5yy725/23042013399.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/vlh5yy725/)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 23, 2013, 05:44:26 PM
In Bulgaria ?
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: MariaIIILuisa on April 24, 2013, 12:23:35 AM
In Bulgaria ?

Yes.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 24, 2013, 11:01:39 AM
I think the Battenbergs are a family of rebels. It all started with Grand Duchess's affair with her chamberlain that resulted in the birth of Prince Alexander of Hesse. He in turn fell for Grand Duchess Olga of Russia, but when rebuffed chose to marry a Polish Countess Julie Hauke instead of the more regal but less pretty Grand Duchess Catherine of Russia. Their son Louis fell for the beautiful Lillie Langtry (mistress of the Prince of Wales (later Edward VII)) before making a more respectable marriage with Victoria of Hesse. The fact that Alexander (Sandro) fell for a singer is not so surprising, but marrying her most certainly was. Even later generations have colorful love lives. Louis's daughter Louise fell deeply for a homosexuial man, before making a better marriage with the Crown Prince of Sweden. Louis's sons George & Louis (Dickie) were also interesting in their love life too...
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Mandie, the Gothic Empress on April 24, 2013, 11:25:32 AM
The Battenberg house defiantly followed their hearts (love and lust) instead of their half-royal duties. If they lived in today's world, it would be modern and accepted instead of scandals and with them looked down at by other royal and imperial houses.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on April 24, 2013, 11:54:50 AM
Indeed. Although it could be their common blood that made them less tolerant of loveless & dynastic marriages. Also the fact that they are so attractive (mostly the men) made the temptation even more (even Queen Victoria was smitten with them).
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: MariaIIILuisa on September 01, 2013, 05:58:44 AM
Johanna Hartenau with Zwetana

(http://s23.postimg.org/siy7qkwd3/374089144.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/siy7qkwd3/)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Thomas_Hesse on September 02, 2013, 01:16:43 PM
This is a fake...
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Svetabel on September 02, 2013, 01:43:10 PM
This is a fake...

I second that. The woman doesn't look like an elegant Countess Hartenau, also the dress-style is from 1860s.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Eric_Lowe on September 02, 2013, 02:03:29 PM
I also agree. Doesn't look it...
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: MariaIIILuisa on September 03, 2013, 01:09:16 AM
I also suspected that. Glad we could clear that. The handwriting though looks a lot like the one on the Wikipedia picture, I guess it was what misled me.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: VN on September 05, 2013, 03:46:07 PM
I think the little girl could be Zwetana, looks like her. The Lady is probably her Nanny. She is definitely not Johanna.


Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: MariaIIILuisa on December 13, 2013, 01:28:54 AM
The Hartenau children

(http://s11.postimg.org/6gr9a6jcv/Asen.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/6gr9a6jcv/) (http://s11.postimg.org/vbar49473/Zwetana.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/vbar49473/)
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Russka Princess on May 22, 2015, 04:25:17 PM
i have a question.. somewhere i have read...that Louis Alexander of Battenberg (the husband from VHM) has a Tattoo...

in ethe book of Alice princess of Greece... is that true ??

here i have a link


http://www.amazon.ca/Alice-Princess-Andrew-Hugo-Vickers/dp/0312302398#reader_0312302398

ist on a page 8.  Chapter: Alice
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: martinos1971 on September 18, 2015, 02:52:52 PM
Hello,

New here....so I still have a lot to find out about how it all works...
I am very interested in The Battenberg family.
I visited Heiligenberg Castle in Jugenheim Germany last month, which was beautiful and really great to be there and see it.
Also the gravesite of Prince Alexander end Princess Julia, and the mausoleum.
Despite being all new here I would like to take this opportunity to ask for the following;
 
I am looking for photos of Princess Anna of Montenegro, wife of Prince Francis Joseph of Battenberg. There are very few photos of her on the internet. And the very few are in a really low resolution. Can anybody overhere help me with a good picture of Princess Anna in a high resolution? Also she lived to be one of the eldest Princesses I read somewhere. Can anybody tell me something about her later life? Or maybe there are photos of her in later life? Any help is appreciated! Thank you!

With best regards and greetings from The Netherlands,
Martijn
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Marc on December 30, 2015, 05:45:26 AM
I found this picture of an unidentified lady in royal collection...It has been previously identified as Lady Randolph Churchill,but to me it doesn't look very much like her...

https://www.royalcollection.org.uk/collection/search#/30/collection/406519/portrait-of-a-young-lady

Could this picture maybe,just maybe represent an idealistic portrait of Anna von Battenberg,nee Montenegro?

Anna was sister in law of Princess Beatrice of Great Britain,so it wouldn't be unusual that her portrait could be found somewhere regarding this royal connection.
Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Russka Princess on November 15, 2017, 12:11:06 PM
I had read "the four graces " again and here I have found a nice situation about Victoria &Louis.

After Louis asked Victoria to be his wife, she agreed of course she was in love. QV  was happy too but I think she didn't like that Louis visitit Victoria to often before her wedding.

Like here " Louis obviously  noticed the Queens distaste for courting, and mentioned that he was only allowed to see Victoria "by stealth, as she did not approve of engaged couples spooning Victoria wrote to QV " I hope you were not vexed at Louis Guttenberg having once or twice come to see me " she was indeed vexed.

Of course QV was worried but Victoria was not a teenager anymore. I mean Louis came to Victoria to talk...or to kiss...but I think Victoria and Louis were old enough to have time alone before the wedding.

I think it's even romantic if he spooning to come to Victoria.

Title: Re: The Battenbergs - discussion, pictures
Post by: Bambi on December 02, 2017, 11:02:33 PM
It might be the wrong thread to bring up the subject, but does The Four Graces dive much into the relationship between the sisters? I know that Ilana is specifically interested in Victoria and I believe I heard somewhere that out of all the sisters, the book focuses the most on her. But I was wondering if the book gives much of an insight into the relationship between all four of the Hessian sisters (beyond just Ella and Alix's differentiating views about Rasputin and how their relationship allegedly "spiraled downwards" towards the end) and the discovery and reactions of Victoria and Irene of their sisters' deaths?