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Books and Films about the Romanovs and Imperial Russia => Books about the Romanovs and Imperial Russia => Topic started by: Sarushka on April 28, 2008, 03:10:23 PM

Title: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: Sarushka on April 28, 2008, 03:10:23 PM
Can anyone please tell me if the 1993 edition of Robert Wilton's Last Days of the Romanovs published by theLegionfor the Survival of Freedom includes the depositions of Kobylinsky and Gilliard? The price is terrific, but I'm really not interested in the book without the depositions.

Click here/url] to see the edition I'm referring to on Amazon. (http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/0939484471/104-4874960-8970334?SubscriptionId=1NNRF7QZ418V218YP1R2)
Title: Re: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: Robert_Hall on April 28, 2008, 04:55:51 PM
They are in the 1920 edition I have.
Title: Re: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: Sarushka on April 28, 2008, 08:50:57 PM
They are in the 1920 edition I have.

Yep - I've interloaned that edition through the library, but it's out of my current price range. The 1993 paperback would be a nice alternative for $6.95, *if* it's got the depositions....
Title: Re: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: Sarushka on May 02, 2008, 08:01:36 PM
Heh. Never mind. I've found the entire 1920 edition on Google Books:

Last Days of the Romanovs (http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=YxIEAAAAYAAJ&dq=%22last+days+of+the+romanovs%22+wilton&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=BMFaH5UE9U&sig=3KGBlrxbGlfIR01Q5lWMBIPIJIE#PPR4,M1)
Title: Re: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: Terence on May 02, 2008, 11:07:37 PM
Thanks a LOT, now I'll be up way too late reading tonight.  :)

j/k, much appreciated, it's been interesting so far.

T
Title: Re: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: Annie on May 04, 2008, 03:48:09 PM
Thanks for that link. I have been reading for two days and it's very interesting, informative and helpful. I had no idea so much info was out in public view so soon. This explains a lot.
Title: Re: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: Sarushka on May 04, 2008, 03:57:48 PM
You're welcome. Take it with a grain of salt, though. Wilton's known to have made some goofs and he may be the one that's blatantly anti-semetic. (I haven't read his report recently -- my interest in the book is primarily due to the depositions of Kobylinsky, Gilliard, and Gibbes.) I'm also cautious about the guards' testimony. Does anyone know to what degree Proskuryakov, Yakimov, and Medvedev can be relied upon?

Title: Re: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: Annie on May 04, 2008, 04:37:56 PM
I hate to sound like broken record, but what I found interesting was stuff that applies to AA. (big surprise huh?) For example, Gilliard and Gibbes both mention plays being put on in Tobolsk, and Chatnoir had said no one could have known this. Also Gilliard clearly mentioned "medicines" and hiding the jewels, this is another thing some AA supporters have said that no one could have known (except Bux the 'traitor')To me, there being evidence of this stuff and more being out there as early as 1920 is huge. Then there was the mention of the Perm stories being invented to avoid investigations. Anyway I am only just now starting on Wilton's commentary, most of what I've read has been testimony of real people. As for the reliability of the Bolsheviks, of course there might be times they are trying to cover themselves, but at least they all agree the whole family died. It was kind of funny at the end of the 17 year old's testimony when he ranted about how he now denounced the murders, he must have been scared. I'll see how I feel about Wilton once I'm done.
Title: Re: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: Annie on May 04, 2008, 07:23:20 PM
On page 232, he says that the Germans were behind the husband of Maria Rasputin betraying those who tried to help the family. Is that just anti-German sentiment from 1920, his own assumptions told for the truth, or reality? (I'm guessing not reality?)
Title: Re: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: Robert_Hall on May 04, 2008, 07:35:46 PM
I doubt it was true either. The Kaiser was actively trying to save the IF. I think ge was leery of sending Lenin in the first place and genuinely was surprised at how fast they fell. The original idea was to  create enough chaos  to end  Russia's involvement in the war.
Title: Re: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: Sarushka on May 04, 2008, 08:20:07 PM
It was kind of funny at the end of the 17 year old's testimony when he ranted about how he now denounced the murders, he must have been scared. I'll see how I feel about Wilton once I'm done.

And with good reason -- the Whites executed some of the guards after they testified.
Title: Re: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: Michael HR on June 11, 2008, 04:57:08 AM
Is there any way on Google you can read the book in queation or is it a link so that you can order it etc?

Never used google books before

Michael HR

Heh. Never mind. I've found the entire 1920 edition on Google Books:

Last Days of the Romanovs (http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=YxIEAAAAYAAJ&dq=%22last+days+of+the+romanovs%22+wilton&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=BMFaH5UE9U&sig=3KGBlrxbGlfIR01Q5lWMBIPIJIE#PPR4,M1)
Title: Re: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: Sarushka on June 11, 2008, 07:18:39 AM
Is there any way on Google you can read the book in queation [...]

That's exactly what the link is -- a place to read a scan the book online in its entirety. Just click...
Title: Re: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: Michael HR on June 11, 2008, 10:16:03 AM
Hi,

Must be me being stupid. I did click and got the page but cannot see how you read the book as such. It's been a long day and I must be missing something...

Michael
Title: Re: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: Sarushka on June 11, 2008, 11:59:36 AM
I can try to walk you through it -- basically, you should be able to use the blue triangular arrows at the top of the screen or the scroll bar directly beneath them to page through the book -- or you can just go to this page and click on "download pdf":

http://books.google.com/books?id=YxIEAAAAYAAJ (http://books.google.com/books?id=YxIEAAAAYAAJ)
Title: Re: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: Michael HR on June 12, 2008, 04:25:16 AM
Hi Sarushka,

It must be me. When I access the link there is no blue arrows or a pdf file to downlaod. There is a contents page but no links to access anything. I wonder if it is because I am using a Mac for some reason?

Michael
Title: Re: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: Mari on June 12, 2008, 05:32:26 AM
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I wonder if it is because I am using a Mac for some reason?
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Go to your Google Search and put in Google Book Search and then once you are in the Google Book Search Page put in the Title or you may choose to search by Romanov and see all the Books they have on line to read. It is free and some are full viewing and others are snippet.  MAC's are different to use your right.
Title: Re: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: halen on June 12, 2008, 06:00:19 AM
Like Michael HR, I can't seem to get this book through Google Book Search either. All I get is the review for it. The only book that I have been able to download is a book on Catherine the Great. I get the reviews, the snippets, but that is it. Hmmmm. Wonder what is up with that. I use Firefox as my main browser and I'm on a  new Sony laptop  with Windows Vista. If  anyone out there can help it sure would be appreciated. 

Louise
Title: Re: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: Sarushka on June 12, 2008, 07:04:28 AM
I wonder if it is because I am using a Mac for some reason?

Shouldn't be -- I'm using a Mac, too.

I'm stumped!
Title: Re: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: Annie on June 12, 2008, 09:21:01 AM
Does the direct link work?

http://books.google.com/books?id=YxIEAAAAYAAJ

try this

http://books.google.com/books?id=YxIEAAAAYAAJ&printsec=titlepage&source=gbs_summary_r&cad=0

This is really weird, because I can see it and my computer won't even download PDF's. I never clicked on 'download PDF', but the left half of the page already had the book loaded.
Title: Re: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: halen on June 12, 2008, 10:52:05 AM
Thanks for the link, but still nothing. Oh well.

Louise
Title: Re: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 12, 2008, 11:25:05 AM
Try this link:  http://www.geocities.com/mushkah/lastdays.html
Title: Re: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: halen on June 12, 2008, 12:03:43 PM
Nope. Still can't get it. Well, it is not like I don't have other books on the Romanovs that I can read...:-)

Thanks for trying, Helen.

Louise
Title: Re: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: Michael HR on June 12, 2008, 01:03:22 PM
Hi,

I also still cannot access the file. How odd?


Title: Re: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 12, 2008, 01:24:31 PM
Wow, that is weird. I posted it as an image in one of the files on my own website, it's strange that you can't get in there either! I'm stumped.
Title: Re: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: Amy on June 12, 2008, 06:27:15 PM
I suspect the reason some of you can't view the file is because of some security feature in the browser you're using. I have NO idea what that feature/combo/etc. it may be, but I did think of one work around if you allow pdf file downloads. 

Here's the direct link to the pdf:
[url]http://books.google.com/books/pdf/The_Last_Days_of_the_Romanovs.pdf?id=YxIEAAAAYAAJ&output=pdf&sig=2_NEQdOlJ6HfyCguUqz2kfDby6w[url]

Shorty after you download it, you'll most likely get a prompt to accept or deny some service, I forget what, from google. I clicked "deny" and was still able to view the book. The title starts on page 9.

Hope that helps!
Title: Re: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: Joanna on June 12, 2008, 08:43:44 PM
There is also another online source to read this book that may be easier to download in various forms i.e. text:

http://www.archive.org/details/lastdaysoftherom008558mbp

for example:
http://www.archive.org/stream/lastdaysoftherom008558mbp/lastdaysoftherom008558mbp_djvu.txt

Joanna
Title: Re: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: halen on June 12, 2008, 09:57:46 PM
YOU ARE BRILLIANT!!!

A very big THANK YOU

Louise
Title: Re: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: Michael HR on June 13, 2008, 04:51:17 AM
Thank you so much. Many years since I have read this but will do so with eager in the next few days.

Michael
Title: Re: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: Laura Mabee on June 16, 2008, 06:59:52 PM
The reason this is inaccessible to so many on Google Books is because we're not US residents.
Google explains a bit in their F.A.Q., but the general summary is that Google only has permission to distribute the download-able books around in the States.

Much Thanks Joanna for the link!
Title: Re: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: halen on June 16, 2008, 07:01:15 PM
Ah, so now it become clear!. Thanks, Laura.

Louise
Title: Re: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 16, 2008, 07:06:42 PM
The reason this is inaccessible to so many on Google Books is because we're not US residents.
Google explains a bit in their F.A.Q., but the general summary is that Google only has permission to distribute the download-able books around in the States.

But that doesn't explain why they can't access the file I posted on my own website...
Title: Re: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: Laura Mabee on June 16, 2008, 07:16:34 PM
But that doesn't explain why they can't access the file I posted on my own website...

Hey Helen,
To be honest, I don't think the file got posted correctly.
I went to your site, and all I have is an image file.
I even looked through your html file and all I got was this as the source:
Code: [Select]
</head>
<body>
<a href="http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll287/helenazar2/?action=view&current=lastdays.jpg" target="_blank">
     <img src="http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll287/helenazar2/lastdays.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
</body>
</html>

There is only source code for an image on photobucket. Did you try and upload the Pdf itself?
Title: Re: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 16, 2008, 07:18:55 PM
I went to your site, and all I have is an image file.
I even looked through your html file and all I got was this as the source:

It was supposed to be an image file, the screen shot of the book description page. When I click on the link I posted, I can see the screen shot... not sure why others can't...
Title: Re: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: Laura Mabee on June 16, 2008, 07:23:24 PM
---Sorry... double posted same thing.. I can't seem to delete this post ---
Title: Re: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: Laura Mabee on June 16, 2008, 07:23:58 PM
It was supposed to be an image file, the screen shot of the book description page

Ohhhhhhhh...! I get it now.
It is a screenshot of the book description page. It's small, but that's what I can see what I click the link.
I think what I, and many, were confused about.... correct me if I'm wrong, was we were under the impression you posted the Pdf file, and that's what we could not access on your page.
Title: Re: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: Helen_Azar on June 16, 2008, 07:31:19 PM
I posted the image file of the screen shot of the link that some people couldn't access. I think you can see it bigger by clicking on it...
Title: Re: LAST DAYS OF THE ROMANOVS, by Robert Wilton
Post by: wox24 on December 09, 2009, 01:09:29 PM
When someone can speak Russian, here is all book:

http://rus-sky.com/history/library/wilton/

+ the book by Michail Diterichs - Ubijstvo Carskoj semji i doma Romanovych

http://rus-sky.com/history/library/diterihs.htm