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Discussions about Russian History => Imperial Transportation => Topic started by: nena on May 07, 2008, 08:45:03 AM

Title: Cars
Post by: nena on May 07, 2008, 08:45:03 AM
We know Imperial Family loved to ride cars....Let's see what we have
Aleksei:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/th_leskelarareautomoobile.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/leskelarareautomoobile.jpg)(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/th_Aleksej_auto_Mogiljev_1916a.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/Aleksej_auto_Mogiljev_1916a.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/th_AleksejNikolajevicMogiljev.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/AleksejNikolajevicMogiljev.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/th_601.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/601.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/th_P1030613.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/P1030613.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/th_P1030464.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/P1030464.jpg)
Post others of IF taken in cars.  ;)
Nena
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: Forum Admin on May 07, 2008, 09:13:26 AM
There are many photos of the IF and their vehicles on my section on the main APTM site "The Imperial Garage"
http://alexanderpalace.org/palace/impgarage.html
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: nena on May 07, 2008, 09:26:33 AM
FA, thank you so much!  :)
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: GDDimitri on October 07, 2008, 01:57:56 AM
The car with the round radiator is a Delaunay-Belleville, a French "upper class" car!
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: Carolath Habsburg on October 07, 2008, 06:49:01 AM
The IF in their 40 Horse-power Delaunay Belleville

 (http://img193.imagevenue.com/loc232/th_80213_czar_and_car_122_232lo.jpg) (http://img193.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=80213_czar_and_car_122_232lo.jpg)
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: nena on October 07, 2008, 08:57:14 AM
Delaunay Belleville:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/th_070714040707_Delaunay-Belleville_45.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/070714040707_Delaunay-Belleville_45.jpg)

Tsarevich:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/th_ot2_055.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/ot2_055.jpg)


Also, Aleksei in is the one car at Mogilev I posted....

For more about:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaunay-Belleville
Also, there is great section Imperial Garage at AP.
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: nena on October 27, 2008, 05:53:27 AM
Tsar:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/th_imageyr7.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/?action=view&current=imageyr7.jpg)(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/th_bau2.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/?action=view&current=bau2.jpg)

Title: Re: Cars
Post by: Douglas on October 27, 2008, 11:04:31 AM
The Tsar loved cars and he especially liked  the  French ones.  Naturally he only purchased top of the line vehicles.
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: nena on October 27, 2008, 03:09:01 PM
1913:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Formalne%20slike%20and%20Romanov%20assorted/th_niialeksejfamilijaautouj0.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Formalne%20slike%20and%20Romanov%20assorted/?action=view&current=niialeksejfamilijaautouj0.jpg)


Aleksei' car (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Pisma%20i%20umetnost/Romanov%20knjige%20%20ikone%20figure%20ili%20njihove%20stvari/aleksejevautoik5.jpg)
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: nena on October 29, 2008, 06:06:10 AM
NII and Empress; NII:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Formalne%20slike%20and%20Romanov%20assorted/th_carautopy4.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Formalne%20slike%20and%20Romanov%20assorted/?action=view&current=carautopy4.jpg)(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/th_carautoje9.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/?action=view&current=carautoje9.jpg)(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/th_133-2.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/?action=view&current=133-2.jpg)


Title: Re: Cars
Post by: nena on October 29, 2008, 06:11:04 AM
Tsarevich Aleksei with dr. Derevenko, and family in 1908:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/th_carevicudrustvusanagornzt4.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/?action=view&current=carevicudrustvusanagornzt4.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Formalne%20slike%20and%20Romanov%20assorted/th_niicarskoselo1908ft8.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Formalne%20slike%20and%20Romanov%20assorted/?action=view&current=niicarskoselo1908ft8.jpg)

Title: Re: Cars
Post by: nena on November 02, 2008, 01:40:08 PM
Posted by KarlandZita at Rare Pictures VII thread:
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Tsar%20Family/image09.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Tsar%20Family/image06.jpg)
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: nena on November 07, 2008, 06:21:33 PM
Tsarevich, Aunt Olga Alexandrovna,Olga and Maria Nicholaievna,Tsar and Olga:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Formalne%20slike%20and%20Romanov%20assorted/th_alexolgaaanmarie.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Formalne%20slike%20and%20Romanov%20assorted/?action=view&current=alexolgaaanmarie.jpg)(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Formalne%20slike%20and%20Romanov%20assorted/th_ot2_060.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Formalne%20slike%20and%20Romanov%20assorted/?action=view&current=ot2_060.jpg)
Aleksei Nicholaievich,1914:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/th_aleksejcinimisevoziautozz9.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/?action=view&current=aleksejcinimisevoziautozz9.jpg)
Family at Evtarpiya, 1916:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Ceremonije/th_autofamilijael4.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Ceremonije/?action=view&current=autofamilijael4.jpg)
At ceremony:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Ceremonije/th_bau3.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Ceremonije/?action=view&current=bau3.jpg)
Family at Sevastopol, 1911:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Ceremonije/th_Sevastopolj_1911a.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Ceremonije/?action=view&current=Sevastopolj_1911a.jpg)

Title: Re: Cars
Post by: nena on November 09, 2008, 05:44:54 AM
Tsar, during war, ca. 1915:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/th_0013-045.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/?action=view&current=0013-045.jpg)
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: nena on November 09, 2008, 05:02:33 PM
Girls and Nicky in Sevastopol
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/th_Delaunay-Belleville_50_CV_Nikolaus_.jpg) (http://s243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Delaunay-Belleville_50_CV_Nikolaus_.jpg)
Girls getting out of the car (Jalta)
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/th_Renault_DT-40_CV_Landaulet_Kellner_.jpg) (http://s243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Renault_DT-40_CV_Landaulet_Kellner_.jpg)
Many thanks to Grand Duchess Ally!
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: nena on November 22, 2008, 04:20:35 PM
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/49_6.jpg)
1915.
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: nena on January 04, 2009, 08:55:36 PM
(http://i43.tinypic.com/1198j9t.jpg)

Many thanks to Katenka_Fyodorovna !
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: nena on January 17, 2009, 07:45:10 PM
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/str31.jpg)
During war.
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: nena on January 18, 2009, 03:44:35 PM
Maria in a car with her father and uncle
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Maria%20Nikolaevna/th_Marieaotecvevoze.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/Maria%20Nikolaevna/Marieaotecvevoze.jpg)
IMO in Germany during 1910. Thanks to Grand Duchess Ally! (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Smileys/9428a070.gif)
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: nena on January 19, 2009, 03:28:33 PM
Bigger version and Tsarevich:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/003.jpg)(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/AleksejvoznjauautuNogiljev1916.jpg)
(from tsar-auto-club.spb.ru, credit to the first one)
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: nena on January 25, 2009, 03:15:45 PM
Big Pair, A.F. during war:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Formalne%20slike%20and%20Romanov%20assorted/OTAF_auto_1914.jpg)
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: amartin71718 on February 08, 2009, 10:59:27 PM
How fast did these cars go?
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: Ally Kumari on February 13, 2009, 02:28:48 PM
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/th_007.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/007.jpg)

Hats of the Grand Duchesses on the back seat :)
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: Forum Admin on February 13, 2009, 03:08:25 PM
How fast did these cars go?

The Delaunay Bellevilles were rather heavy and probably had a top speed of about 50 mph, thus they were used mostly "around town".  The Mercedes 80hp on the other hand was noted for its speed which is why Nicholas preferred it for "road trips" and they had a recorded top speed of about 85 mph, rather fast for the day (and scary given the utter lack of safety equipment and rudimentary brakes!).  The Silver Ghost used at Livadia given the heavier coachwork would have about 60mph top speed, though in stripped down version for racing a 1912 Silver Ghost was recorded at 80 mph.
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: nena on February 15, 2009, 02:46:29 PM
Aleksei out of car (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Aleksej/autoaleksejqb6.jpg). 

Thanks to FA for clearing things about fast of cars.  ;)
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: nena on February 16, 2009, 09:02:18 AM
(http://avtospeak.ru/pic/4/g84558.jpg)

Delaunay-Belleville, Nicholas II'one.

from:
http://avtospeak.ru/discussion/2078/fotootgadka319/

NII and NN, 1908:
(http://www.turoboz.ru/cmsdb/cmsdb_img/080821231648ac7b03827ea.jpg)
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: nena on February 16, 2009, 03:44:11 PM
FA is right, 80 mph is maximum of fast of those cars.

Early 1915:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/4-8l.jpg)
In 1908:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/4-9l.jpg)
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: nena on March 10, 2009, 10:36:30 AM
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/various/th_tsarskiy_smotr.jpg) (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/VelkokneznaMaria/various/tsarskiy_smotr.jpg)

Thanks to GD Ally! (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Smileys/smiley.gif)
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: nena on March 31, 2009, 04:07:30 PM
NII and Alexandra.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Formalne%20slike%20and%20Romanov%20assorted/th_Mikloscar1906.gif) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Formalne%20slike%20and%20Romanov%20assorted/?action=view&current=Mikloscar1906.gif)

Seen labeled as 1906, I am not sure about year.
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: nena on April 15, 2009, 11:22:56 AM
Said to be 'expecting Nicholas II', during war:

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/th_pkwNikolai2_1697_Molotok.jpg) (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/?action=view&current=pkwNikolai2_1697_Molotok.jpg)

Title: Re: Cars
Post by: Reco on April 22, 2009, 10:38:46 PM
Did you point out the swastika on the cork of the carburetor of Delaunay Belleville?

(http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/1994/070714040707delaunaybel.th.jpg) (http://img5.imageshack.us/my.php?image=070714040707delaunaybel.jpg)(http://)
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: nena on April 23, 2009, 09:13:07 AM
Yes, I did. Same as N&A 1910 photo. I think meaning is something different.

NII and Empress; NII:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Formalne%20slike%20and%20Romanov%20assorted/th_carautopy4.jpg)
 (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Formalne%20slike%20and%20Romanov%20assorted/?action=view&current=carautopy4.jpg)

AANO, car, 1916:

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/AAN_auto.jpg)

Full one from May 1915:

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/auto_izbr_01.jpg)
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: nena on April 24, 2009, 09:29:45 AM
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Ceremonije/th_132.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Ceremonije/?action=view&current=132.jpg)

(December 1st, 1914)
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: nena on April 24, 2009, 01:35:58 PM
Tsar Nicholas and Aleksei (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Ceremonije/otac_sin.jpg), review, with car.
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: nena on April 24, 2009, 02:29:28 PM
Many thanks to KarlandZita!

Alexei :
(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Tsar%20Family/th_alarmy.jpg) (http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i221/pastroyals/Tsar%20Family/alarmy.jpg)
During war, in 1915/6.
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: Olgasha on April 27, 2009, 05:02:58 AM
(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/9800/carxxj.jpg)

(http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/622/carskoje.jpg)
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: nena on April 27, 2009, 05:14:49 AM
Fantastic , Aglaya, do you know what year, ceremony or who is in  car?

In 1916 (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/otma_Grejb_1916.jpg). I see Olga Nicholaievna. And maybe Tsarina.
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: Olgasha on April 27, 2009, 07:10:25 AM
I only know it's probably Krasnoe Selo.
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: Olgasha on April 28, 2009, 02:40:39 AM
Yes, it's definitely Krasnoye, 1906.
Another one
(http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/2190/krasoyeselo1906.jpg)
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: Olgasha on April 29, 2009, 02:31:30 AM
Wonderful photo [the one of my favourities] with Xenia's sons
(http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/7344/3291489.jpg)

Their father, GD Alexander, at the wheel...
(http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/9025/sandro6.jpg)

...and as a passenger
(http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/3416/sandro2.jpg)

All these photos were taken during the war.
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: Olgasha on May 03, 2009, 07:17:47 AM
Krasnoe Selo, summer 1914, military review
(http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9927/1914krasnoyeparade.jpg)

Nicholas on the Pegueot exibition, St. Petersburg 1913
(http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/4420/1913pegueot.jpg)
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: Olgasha on May 08, 2009, 01:02:35 PM
Nicholas and Tatiana, during the visit in Germany
(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5576/an16niktatia.jpg)
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: nena on May 28, 2009, 05:47:01 PM
Thank you nena!

Sorry for the imperfect quality, unfortunately this photo seems ruined...is this taken in Mogilev?

(http://inlinethumb58.webshots.com/43769/2482077790101857556S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2482077790101857556gyiZrC)

Thanks to RomanovsFan4Ever! Date unknown. Probably short before/after 1914.
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: Olgasha on May 29, 2009, 11:12:34 AM
Full version :-)
(http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/8672/1000227j.jpg)
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: nena on May 29, 2009, 12:26:23 PM
Thanks, Aglaya. I have seen it labeled as '1910'.

February 7, 1916, NII's car:

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Ceremonije/th_7feb1916NIIcar.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Ceremonije/?action=view&current=7feb1916NIIcar.jpg)
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on May 29, 2009, 01:02:46 PM
I found it labeled "Delaunay-Belleville car from Tsar Nicholas II of Russia equiped with Kegresse system (1917)"...

(http://inlinethumb50.webshots.com/29297/2510798240101857556S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2510798240101857556mbtwjO)
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: Olgasha on May 30, 2009, 03:03:09 AM
GD Dimitri Pavlovich
(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/8689/dmauto.jpg)

at the wheel ;-)
(http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/2325/romanov6zi654.jpg)
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: Forum Admin on May 30, 2009, 10:10:10 AM
I found it labeled "Delaunay-Belleville car from Tsar Nicholas II of Russia equiped with Kegresse system (1917)"...

(http://inlinethumb50.webshots.com/29297/2510798240101857556S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2510798240101857556mbtwjO)

It is indeed one of the Delaunay Belleville cars from the Imperial Garage. Kegress was Nicholas II's personal chauffeur for years, and did in fact invent the first snow system for cars
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on May 30, 2009, 12:18:24 PM
Thank you Forum Admin!

Adolphe Kégresse...I found some information about him, but I really want to know more... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolphe_K%C3%A9gresse
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: Forum Admin on May 30, 2009, 02:28:22 PM
Go to the Tsarskoe Selsky Automobile Sport Club link on the main APTM website, they have more information on Kegress than anyone could want!
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on May 30, 2009, 05:57:47 PM
I visited it right now, thank you very much for the suggestion.
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: Olgasha on June 04, 2009, 05:13:39 AM
GD Nicholas Nikolaievich, 1913
(http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/7665/nicnicatthechudovo.jpg)
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: nena on June 13, 2009, 04:05:31 AM
some more pics..
(http://inlinethumb46.webshots.com/44717/2112108170102753164S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2112108170102753164WPqRQF)

Fuller one, IMO, Crimea, 1914. Thanks to katmaxoz!
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on July 09, 2009, 12:30:50 PM
Around 1916 - 1917 - I'm not sure about the place...is it Stavka?...

(http://inlinethumb26.webshots.com/38169/2319044600101857556S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2319044600101857556mEgYkF)
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: nena on July 09, 2009, 02:00:19 PM
I am almost certain it is. Approx. 1915.
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: RomanovsFan4Ever on July 09, 2009, 02:18:48 PM
Exactly!...sorry, the photo was in the "1914 - 1916" album (I'm referring to the new album) I realized my mistake just now, excuse me.
Title: Re: Cars
Post by: nena on August 03, 2009, 05:24:33 AM
Tsarist Stavka, Nicholas II, Baranovichi, 1915:

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Stavka%20u%20Mogiljevu/stavka_1915_NIKOLAI_CAR.jpg)
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Post by: Mike on August 03, 2009, 08:03:22 AM
It's an interesting photo - an imperial train is visible behind the trees. The cars are also worth closer attention. Do you have a larger picture to post?
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Post by: Forum Admin on August 03, 2009, 09:12:50 AM
Mike

Both cars in the Stavka photo are the Delaunay Belleville SIM Phaetons with the roof and side windows removed for warm weather.
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Post by: Kalafrana on November 13, 2009, 08:52:40 AM
In Posting 46 (Dimitri Pavlovich and car), what sort of car is it? I read somewhere that Dimitri was very keen on cars and had no fewer than five. Does anyone know any more about this?

Ann
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Post by: Joanna on January 20, 2010, 07:05:08 PM
This was taken pre 1917 at Gatchina Palace. I have seen something similar although without wheels at Bad Ischl. Does anyone know what the machine is?

http://sammler.ru/uploads/post-22-1255842940.jpg

Joanna
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Post by: pastpalacelife on January 20, 2010, 08:51:48 PM
Joanna,  I have no idea what that is, is it a car?  However I must say, whenever I see that you have posted something, I immediately check it out because I know it will be interesting!  Thanks, Tracy
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Post by: Mike on January 21, 2010, 02:02:50 AM
It's an experimental electromobile ("cab") built by Russian inventor Hyppolite Romanov in 1899 and shown in Gatchina to some members of the imperial family and to other dignitaries. Romanov also built a 200 m-long demo electric monorail in front of the Gatchina palace.
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Post by: Olgasha on August 15, 2010, 12:57:02 PM
Tsar ans Tsarina in the car, 1906
(http://www.tsar-auto-club.spb.ru/static/building/review/image01.jpg)
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Post by: Forum Admin on August 15, 2010, 01:19:24 PM
This photo is already up on the main website, in the Imperial Garage section...It is the first car owned by Nicholas II, a 1906 Delaunay Belleville, driven by Count Orlov himself as the Emperor did not yet have an official chauffeur.
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Post by: amartin71718 on August 15, 2010, 02:57:36 PM
How fast did cars go back then?
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Post by: nena on August 15, 2010, 06:35:05 PM
How fast did these cars go?

The Delaunay Bellevilles were rather heavy and probably had a top speed of about 50 mph, thus they were used mostly "around town".  The Mercedes 80hp on the other hand was noted for its speed which is why Nicholas preferred it for "road trips" and they had a recorded top speed of about 85 mph, rather fast for the day (and scary given the utter lack of safety equipment and rudimentary brakes!).  The Silver Ghost used at Livadia given the heavier coachwork would have about 60mph top speed, though in stripped down version for racing a 1912 Silver Ghost was recorded at 80 mph.

It seems that you had asked that previously.
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Post by: amartin71718 on August 15, 2010, 08:02:42 PM
Ah. Thank you! I hadn't realized that. Whoops.  :-[
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Post by: nena on March 05, 2011, 10:11:55 AM
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/th_swimp.jpg) (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x139/nemanjapr/Romanov/Nikolaj%20II/?action=view&current=swimp.jpg)
During the War, approx. in 1915.
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Post by: nena on June 10, 2011, 01:28:13 PM
Nicholas and some other people

(http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/5388/fdvdfg.jpg)
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Post by: JamesAPrattIII on February 24, 2012, 03:56:25 PM
In reply #16 the man Nicholas is with in Black is wearing what looks like a French army officers uniform. There are others wearing the same uniform. The Uniform consisted of a black Tunic and red trousers, which show up black in the film of the period. this looks like the photo was taken during pre-war manuvers or a state visit. Also a number of times pre-WWI French and russian Generals met to discuss strategy for a war against germany. there was an aliance between the two countries. Just thought you would like to know.
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Post by: JamesAPrattIII on February 24, 2012, 04:45:35 PM
i found this on the landships forum cars in Russia 1914 18,000 german 82%, British 5 %, French 4% Austrian 3.5% Russian 2.5% US 1.5% Italian, Belgium, Spainish, Swiss, and Swedish 1.5%
Russian Imperial Army 1.6.14 cars 259, Lorries 418, Ambulaces 2 special Automobiles 32, Motorcycles 101
recieved Aug 1914-feb 1917 cars 7506 lorries 13698 ambulances 2173, tanker lorries 569, cook automobiles 234, repairshop lorries 302 depot lorries 40, searchlight automobiles 40, omnibuss 51 armored vehicals 650
i hope this is of interest.
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Post by: Robert_Hall on February 24, 2012, 07:23:33 PM
It is, James. Did Russia, at that time have it's own auto manufacturing industry or was everyting imported ?
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Post by: JamesAPrattIII on February 28, 2012, 04:06:07 PM
From the Landships Forum the Russian-Balt Plant was the only factory in Russia at the start of the war that produced cars.
The AMO factory in Moscow from 1916-19 assembled 1800 Fiat 15 ter trucks from parts. This is most likely the type of vehical used to transport the bodies of the IF after they were murdered.
The Izhorsky and Putilov works in Petrograd built armored car on imported truck chassies.
The APTM online book "Blood Stained Russia" the funny looking armored car used by the CM City Militia is most likely a Mgebov-Renault 2 turret. they did build some on other chassies
So I would say some were built in Russia and some were imported but i really can't say how many of each.

Note in reply #12 the is a picture of Nicholas and Olga with one of the mercedes. I made a posting on the Landships forum softskins section titled Tsar's cars and got a reply. This picture was taken during the 1911 manuvers and is cliped . The rest of the picture has another one of the daughters possibly tatania and a couple of army officers. Along with are some other photos of the Tsar's car fleet and an artical about them. that you find usefull.
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Post by: JamesAPrattIII on March 02, 2012, 03:04:16 PM
Books on Russian armored cars:
Armored Units of the Russian civil War: Red Army David Bullock
Armored Units of the Russian Civil war: White and Allies David Bullock
Soviet tanks and Combat Vechicals of World War Two Steven J Zaloga James grandson
Armored Car of the Russian Army 1906-1917 (in Russian )

The number of armored cars used by the russian army seems to vary armored Units of the Russian Civil War: Red army has 346 imported and 201 produced another source on the landships forum has 496 imported and 228 produced locally. Note most of the armored cars locally built were built on imported truck chassies. Also not all the vehicals sent to russia got there many were lost when their ships were sunk on the way. In one case on 2 september 1917 the merchant ship Olive Branch was stoped by the german submarine U28. The crew got in the ships boats while the U28 sank the ship with its deck gun. Unfortunely for the uboat the ship was carrying a cargo of munitions and blew up sinking both ships. it is said that a truck that was part of the deck cargo went flying and hit and sank the U28. The survivor of the olive branch refused to let any of the survivors of the u28 in their boats so all the uboats crew was lost. Just thought you would like to know.
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Post by: Robert_Hall on March 02, 2012, 03:16:00 PM
Interesting story James,  and sadly a demonstration of the  meanness of war. The Germans allowing the crew to leave their ship, then  being refused the save favour in return.
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Post by: JamesAPrattIII on May 30, 2012, 07:01:33 PM
I have some more information:
From August 1914-1917 the Russian army imported from the US, France,England,Italy Switzerland, and Sweden 24,500 cars and trucks. The Russian land and town union imported 5000 cars and trucks. Also 6000 cars and trucks were comendeered during the war. Russo-balt built 200+ cars and trucks pre war and produced 400+ during the war. also on 10 july 1917 the merchant ship Perla carrying a load of coal and automobiles  was sunk by the U28. Note: German U-boat crews during WW I were sometimes reguarded as pirates by the Allies see the book "The Killing Time" for an account of the WW I U-boat war.
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Post by: Joanna on April 12, 2018, 07:12:27 PM
Prince Andrew and Princess Alice of Greece, Count Leo Tolstoy and Emperor Nicholas II - Enthusiasts at the dawn of car racing!

Photographs (link below) of the Peterhof Highway Gates today where Nicholas was standing.

https://winterpalaceresearch.blogspot.ca/2018/04/emperor-nicholas-ii-inspecting-racing.html

Joanna
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Post by: Kalafrana on April 17, 2018, 05:24:11 AM
Moscow-Novgorod-St Petersburg in 19 days!

Ann
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Post by: Joanna on April 17, 2018, 11:13:26 AM
I was just reading that Grand Duke Konstantin Nikolaevich bought an American Cabriolet in the 1860s and took his children for rides around Strelna Palace. The archives state that it was an ‘early car’ but I do not have an image.

Joanna
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Post by: Forum Admin on April 17, 2018, 01:15:26 PM
Impossible. There were no self propelled vehicles that early. A cabriolet is a type of horse drawn carriage.
(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/KNEHB3/horse-drawn-transportation-a-1940s-illustration-showing-a-victorian-KNEHB3.jpg)