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Discussions about the Imperial Family and European Royalty => Rulers Prior to Nicholas II => Topic started by: Luc on July 08, 2008, 12:55:53 PM

Title: Family of Emperor Pavel I
Post by: Luc on July 08, 2008, 12:55:53 PM
I like to found out more about the family of tsar Paul I. He was father of nine surviving children. He doesn't seems to be a loving father... So how was his relationship with his children ?
Title: Re: Family of Emperor Pavel I
Post by: Prince_Christopher on July 08, 2008, 02:34:58 PM
An interesting family, but pathetically sad from Paul's point of view, IMO.

His oldest sons, Alexander and Constantine, I believe were raised totally under the influence of their grandmother and were in their early twenties when Paul was murdered.

The girls were of course groomed to marry into foreign ruling houses.

Nicholas and Michael and some of the girls were very young children when their father died.

I don't think he was very close to any of them....
Title: Re: Family of Emperor Pavel I
Post by: Luc on July 09, 2008, 04:44:53 AM
The eldest sons were taken away from the parents. They saw each other very little. Why were the sons brought up by their grandmother ?
Title: Re: Family of Emperor Pavel I
Post by: Prince_Christopher on July 09, 2008, 08:14:23 AM
The eldest sons were taken away from the parents. They saw each other very little. Why were the sons brought up by their grandmother ?

A selfish prerogative of a monarch---Catherine II took her eldest grandchildren, hoping to indoctrinate them and educate them to her liking and to groom them as future rulers of Russia (something that was later done w/ Vicky and Fritz's oldest children, and Marie and Ferdinand's of Roumania, and others, I suppose).  Catherine thought little of her son's abilities, to me it seems she always treated him as a non-entity. 
Title: Re: Family of Emperor Pavel I
Post by: Prince_Christopher on July 10, 2008, 03:39:11 PM
Paul, Emperor of Russia (1754-1801)

m. 1) (1773) Wilhelmine of Hesse-Darmstadt "Natalia Alexeievna" (1755-1776)--died in childbirth, no surviving children.
m. 2) (1776) Sophie of Wurttemberg "Maria Feodorovna" (1759-1828)

Children of Paul and Sophie:

1. Alexander I, Emperor of Russia (1777-1825)
m. (1793) Luise of Baden "Elisabeth Alexeievna" (1779-1826)
children: Maria and Elisabeth, both died young

2. Constantine (1779-1831)
m. 1) (1796) Juliana of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld "Anna Feodorovna" (1781-1860) div. 1820
m. 2) (1820) Countess Joanna Grudzinscy, Princess Lowicka (d.1831)
No issue

3. Alexandra (1783-1801), died in childbirth
m. (1799) Archduke Joseph of Austria (1776-1847)

4. Elena (1784-1803)
m. (1799) Friedrich Ludwig, Hereditary Grand Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (1778-1819)

5. Maria (1786-1859)
m. (1804) Karl Friedrich, Grand Duke of Saxe-Weimar (1783-1853)

6. Catherine (1788-1819)
m. 1) (1809) George, Duke of Oldenburg (1784-1812)
m. 2) (1816) King Wilhelm I of Wurttemberg (1781-1864)

7. Olga (1792-1795)

8. Anna (1795-1865)
m. (1816) King Willem II of the Netherlands (1792-1849)

9. Nicholas I, Emperor of Russia (1796-1855)
m. (1817) Charlotte of Prussia "Alexandra Feodorovna" (1798-1860)

10. Michael (1798-1849)
m. (1824) Charlotte of Wurttemberg (1807-1873)

Title: Re: Family of Emperor Pavel I
Post by: Luc on July 11, 2008, 06:25:31 AM
A painting of the "happy family" in 1800, with all the children, by Von Kugelgen:
http://www.allposters.com/-sp/Paul-I-Maria-Feodorovna-and-Their-Children-circa-1800-Posters_i1736852_.htm

From left to right:
Alexander, Constantine, Nikolas with his mother Maria Feodorovna, Catharina behind them, Maria with the harp, Anna with her father, on the ground Mikhail and at the far left Alexandra and Elena.
Title: Re: Family of Emperor Pavel I
Post by: Prince_Christopher on July 11, 2008, 07:09:41 AM
Sadly, all the girls but Maria and Anna died young....
Title: Re: Family of Emperor Pavel I
Post by: Svetabel on July 14, 2008, 02:41:00 AM
Sadly, all the girls but Maria and Anna died young....

Alexandra and Elena died young, also Olga (1792-1795) died early.
Title: Re: Family of Emperor Pavel I
Post by: Alexandrina-Sofia on December 10, 2009, 07:42:15 AM
The fifth daughter of Grand Duke Paul Petrovich and Grand Duchess Maria Feodorovna was born July 11, 1792.
 Empress Catherine, in anticipation of yet another grandchild, as has always been present at birth, had not slept for two nights and worried for his daughter: Maria Feodorovna, and this time is very difficult and dangerous to himself, was giving birth. Dissatisfaction from the appearance of another girl Catherine expressed very clearly: on the occasion of the baptism of Olga Pavlovna not made any conventional rewards and gifts to approach the court.
In the "Notes" secretary Catherine A. Khrapovitsky noted in 1792: "July 11 midnight in the outcome of the second hour was born Grand Duchess Olga ... I congratulated the morning as usual. Told me: "A lot of girls, all married will not tell anyone."
Dissatisfaction, which the Empress tried to hide for irony, feel and in a letter to Baron Grimm: "The Grand Duchess hostess offered us fifth daughter, who has the same broad shoulders, as I have. Since she was born July 11, the day of St. Olga, who was baptized in Constantinople in 956, then I said: "Well, we will have one holiday instead of two." That's it, and named Olga".
Fortunately, not all the news of the birth of the princess so lightly.
The famous poet Derzhavin, for example, wrote on the occasion of the ode "On the birth of Grand Duchess Olga Pavlovna."

Portrait of Grand Duchess Olga Pavlovna.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/OlgaPavl.jpg)

However, unlike the older brothers and sisters, the life of Olga Pavlovna was quite short - less than three years.
In January 1795, Catherine reported in one of his letters: "15 th died Grand Duchess Olga. And imagine why? For weeks eighteen, as she revealed a hunger that she constantly asked to eat, because she grew too great for his two and a half years at that time came many of the molars at once, and after sixteen weeks of suffering and a slow debilitating fever occurred daily painful agony: she died between seven and eight o'clock in the evening ...».
Welcome the birth of Grand Duchess G.R. Derzhavin wrote another ode - "On the death of Grand Duchess Olga Pavlovna."
Olga was buried in the Tomb of the Annunciation of the Alexander Nevsky Lavra.
In 1808, at her grave a monument was erected: a marble pedestal in the form of a column, surrounded by a bronze meander overlaid on top and bottom - a wreath. On the pedestal installed sculpture kneeling angels.

Tombstone Grand Duchess Olga Pavlovna

(http://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/b/3/18/112/18112863_Mogila_Olgi_Pavlovnuy.jpg)
Title: Re: Family of Emperor Pavel I
Post by: Dru on December 10, 2009, 09:39:42 PM
Interesting... I always wondered what happened to little Olga.  Thanks for the information!
Title: Re: Family of Emperor Pavel I
Post by: Dru on January 05, 2011, 12:45:29 PM
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5008/5327327155_e40caac916_z.jpg)

Engraving of the six eldest children of Pavel I (Alexander, Konstantin, Alexandra, Elena, Maria, and Ekaterina).
Title: Re: Family of Emperor Pavel I
Post by: Dru on June 25, 2014, 12:51:23 PM
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2938/14319947058_54f56c0e55_o.jpg)

I know this portrait is by Lampi, but is the sitter Alexandra or Elena Pavlovna?  What do you guys think?   

Also, if anyone has it in color, please post! :) 
Title: Re: Family of Emperor Pavel I
Post by: Dru on July 20, 2014, 05:37:29 PM
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3861/14702948972_9994b3b2b1_o.jpg)

Family of Emperor Pavel, including Empress Ekaterina II.
Title: Re: Family of Emperor Pavel I
Post by: Marc on July 25, 2014, 12:10:26 PM
I know this portrait is by Lampi, but is the sitter Alexandra or Elena Pavlovna?  What do you guys think?   

To me,it looks more like Alexandra...
Title: Re: Family of Emperor Pavel I
Post by: Dru on July 25, 2014, 01:58:11 PM
I know this portrait is by Lampi, but is the sitter Alexandra or Elena Pavlovna?  What do you guys think?   

To me,it looks more like Alexandra...

Thanks, I thought so too :)
Title: Re: Family of Emperor Pavel I
Post by: Marc on July 27, 2014, 03:43:11 PM
Any color portrait of Olga Pavlovna maybe existing?

Title: Re: Family of Emperor Pavel I
Post by: Dru on July 27, 2014, 07:36:19 PM
Any color portrait of Olga Pavlovna maybe existing?



I'm sure there must be a few, but I have never been fortunate enough to see one.  There is a black and white portrait of Olga Pavlovna, and she is depicted in bust form in von Kugelgen's portrait of Emperor Pavel's family.  If you ever happen upon a color portrait of her, I'd love to see!
Title: Re: Family of Emperor Pavel I
Post by: Marc on July 30, 2014, 04:30:23 PM
Any color portrait of Olga Pavlovna maybe existing?



I'm sure there must be a few, but I have never been fortunate enough to see one.  There is a black and white portrait of Olga Pavlovna, and she is depicted in bust form in von Kugelgen's portrait of Emperor Pavel's family.  If you ever happen upon a color portrait of her, I'd love to see!

Of course I will :) if I ever see it ;)
Title: Re: Family of Emperor Pavel I
Post by: Ally Kumari on January 30, 2016, 01:59:21 AM
Empress Maria with Alexandra and Elena

(http://41.media.tumblr.com/425ad80025459b17560dcafd7cb4d83b/tumblr_o1b12bnJCm1upjnawo1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Family of Emperor Pavel I
Post by: Dru on March 03, 2017, 02:39:03 PM
Any color portrait of Olga Pavlovna maybe existing?

http://adini-nikolaevna.tumblr.com/post/157953575335/grand-duchess-olga-pavlovna-of-russia#notes (http://adini-nikolaevna.tumblr.com/post/157953575335/grand-duchess-olga-pavlovna-of-russia#notes)

I'm a few years late, Marc, but here is a color portrait of Olga Pavlovna!